Sometime in the 24 hours prior to my writing my first post of this blog--Aaron K's Track and Field Record Book--I decided to start blogging!
That's right!
I'd thought about blogging----about writing, Bob Dylan, movies & books---and then thought, Hey!, I LOVE track and field, and I have this 600 page T&F Record Book, self-compiled over a 40+ year chunk of my life, and hardly anyone knows about it, and it's worth the time I've spent on it, so yeah, why not blog about THAT?!
And that, pretty much, is how this blog was conceived!
In the past 365 days (not counting today), I've posted 93 times, beginning last December 9th.
As of a few minutes ago, I've had 8049 page views, approximately 86.5 views per post.
I've gotten several positive comments, mostly (ALL?) from a man named "Marco".
Here's some self-chosen highlights.
I've covered the best marks (and all of the records) produced at all the big meets of the past year.
I gave numerous meets their own post, if deserved.
Indoors: Millrose, Boston, NCAA, USATF, WIC, NBIN.
Outdoors: Texas & Penn Relays, World Relays, Payton Jordan, NCAA, USATF (Sr & JR versions), WJC, Commonwealth Games and European Champs, plus MOST of the DL's. (One or two were so devoid of great marks, I didn't post about them!)
I covered--in detail--all of the World, US, Collegiate, and HS records, INdoors & OUTdoors.
A few RACES were so great that I gave a large chunk of a post devoted to just that one race!
There were some editorials--though I tried to keep those to a minimum.
I made predictions--for individual meets (NCAA, WJC, World Relays, etc)--and for entire seasons and genders (Outdoor, Women & Men, back in mid-March--Indoor, for the 2015 season!).
(Okay, so I was WRONG on most of them! But let's celebrate the ones I NAILED!!)
Here's a list---titles & dates only---of my "best", or at least my personal favorites!
(In chronological order!)
Should HS Boys throw the 16 pound SP from Day One? (December 14th, 2013)
Are 55's necessary? and other indoor questions (December 23rd, 2013)
2013's Best & Worst, Parts 1 & 2 (December 27th & 29th, 2013)
2013 Athletes of the Year, Indoors/Outdoors, Men & Women (4 posts, all December 31st, 2013!!)
Which Indoor Records to Fall in 2014? Men & Women (2 posts, both January 2nd, 2014)
May I Introduce My Book? (January 11th, 2014)
American Woman Milers Go Wild! (January 25th, 2014)
TWO World Records...and then there's Millrose! (February 15th, 2014)
Open Letter to Alberto Salazar (February 23rd, 2014)
NCAA & NBIN Meet Record Possibles (2 posts, both March 13th, 2014)
NCAA--Records, Records, and the Ducks win Two! (March 15th, 2014)
Six HSR's...and that's not all (March 16th, 2014)
2014 Indoor Season: A Look Back (March 19th, 2014)
Vaulters Soar Early...and the Outdoor Q's (March 25th, 2014)
The Future of Track and Field (April 4th, 2014)
World Relays a PASS-able Meet (May 25th, 2014)
This Pre's a Classic (May 31st, 2014)
Rome Diamond meet more like Copper (June 8th, 2014)
Paris beats Lausanne in DL Series (July 5th, 2014)
WJC: Dramatic Records & Record Drama (July 27th, 2014)
Records--And why I've compiled a Book of them! (August 8th, 2014)
Two Mile Run--Records, History, Marks, Trivia (August 24th, 2014)
2014 Outdoor Season--High School (September 21st, 2014)
WR in Berlin!! 2014 Outdoor Season--Collegiate (September 28th, 2014)
Ins and Outs of Track and Field (October 17th, 2014)
2015 INDOOR T&F Preview: AGE Records, Parts 1 & 2 (both November 16th, 2014)
NCAA XC, Class Records, 3 WR Attempts (November 22nd, 2014)
Collegiate Indoor Class Records (November 22nd, 2014)
What you need to do to make Top 24's (December 2nd, 2014)
December Bombshell 5000 (& NXN) (December 7th, 2014)
Those stand out for me, but ALL of them are worth re-reading, IF....you want to relive a particular meet or record......you want to follow the progress of each season (or an athlete or event).....you want to see how many predictions I was WRONG about.....or you just want to see what kind of fanatic passion is needed to do this type of a blog!!
Of course, so much of what goes into each post is dependent on what happens on the tracks and fields around the globe, outdoors and indoors.
Some records were shockers. (Aren't they all??)
When Genzebe Dibaba ran her 1st of THREE INdoor WR's--her 3:55.17--I had to produce a post just because of that!!
(And was thrilled to do so!)
Those "failed" DL's----Rome and Stockholm---were disappointments for me (and probably everyone!!).
DL's should all produce tons of great records and marks!
This blog, as I've stated many times, covers 4 distinct groups---World, US, Collegiate, and High School.
It completely separates the INdoor & OUTdoor seasons!
It gives equal weight to WR's or HSR's.
I cover individual year Age Records, Meet Records, and Class Records for HSers & Collegians!
My "DDD" lists cover every mark which makes those Top 24 All-Time Performers lists in the 4 categories, with separate lists for each gender and for INdoors and OUTdoors!
Not only that, I'll often mention if a mark ALMOST makes a list, and which legendary athlete's name has been axed FROM the list--which is sometimes more interesting than who MADE the list!!
There have been some changes in the timing of some of my posts---especially the season wrap-ups!
For example, because I didn't start my blog until last December 9th, with the 2013 INdoor season long past over, I felt a need to wrap that season up, even if about 9 months in the past.
Same with the 2013 OUTdoor season, though far less urgent or belated.
THIS year (2015), I could start my INdoor previews at the proper time.
What does the future hold?
To tell the truth, I don't know for sure.
I'm now 70.5 years old, and NOT 100% healthy!
Also, I get discouraged when only "Marco" (and 2 or 3 others, either here, or on Twitter) even acknowledges this blog's PRESENCE, let alone its worth to the history and coverage of our favorite sport.
I think it's a great and worthy blog.
No other blog---or website (including Track and Field News, House of Run, MileSplit, etc)---presents records and marks quite the same way I do.
For example, I do NOT honor 1600 & 3200 meter times (or marks converted from them), INdoor Oversize Track marks, or throwers weight categories other than International and those used by American HS's.
I use actual ages for my Age Records, so don't use such generic categories as "World Junior" or "Youth" or "Masters".
For the record, the URL to my blog is: trackingtherecords.blogspot.com/2013/12track-and-field-record-book
I started the blog using "Google Blogger".
It's not fancy, doesn't have photos, or links to videos---mainly because I was a VERY late-comer to computers (2009, age 64.6), so don't know how to improve my blog's appearance, or add access to links, etc.
But it does what I set out to do!
It covers-----IN DETAIL----every Top 24 mark made, every WR, AR, CR & HSR broken, and every Meet worth reporting on!
And yes, it "editorializes" (RANTS & RAGES!!) on issues or happenings I feel passionate (or angry!) about!
In the latter case, that's the greatest advantage to doing a blog----being able to say what you feel, and Damn the Torpedoes!!
If you like this blog, please tell your friends and fellow T&F fans----especially those who love the records & marks part of the sport----about it.
Retweet whenever you see one of my many tweets advertising my latest posts.
Pass the message forward to your Facebook friends.
Tell your teammates, whether Professional elites or High School Freshmen!!
In closing, I want to thank the following for being my main sources of information (other than my own 600 page T&F Record Book--See the post "May I Introduce My Book?"):
Track and Field News website, magazine and eTN
Athletics Annual (Peter Matthews)
FAST Annual (Tom Casacky)
High School Track Annual (Jack Shepard)
MileSplit
Twitter (many great folks---whether elite athletes, groups, European tweeters etc)
Meet Results (from the meets themselves)
various internet articles & other sources
In keeping with my blog's history, I'll end this post with a bit of news.
The 2015 INdoor USATF meet will hold races for the 300, 600, 1000, 1 & 2 Mile distances!
So no 200, 400, 800, 1500, 3000!
Mutaz Barshim, Asefa Powell and Nijel Amos have all announced they will compete INdoors, with Amos saying he's going for the 600 WR at the big Moscow Winter meet!
Also, Yelena Slesarenko has retired at the age of 32.
She's currently 5th A-T World OUTdoors (tied with 3 others), and 6th A-T World INdoors (tied with 2 others) in the HJ.
Her PR's are 6-9 (Out) and 6-8.25 (In).
Next post coming soon!
Thank you, everyone, for at least VIEWING this blog!!
Tuesday, December 9, 2014
Sunday, December 7, 2014
December Bombshell 5000 (& NXN)
Wow!
When Abbey D'Agostino ran 15:40.62 in her Senior season opener for Dartmouth last year, my blog stated it was the fastest-ever INdoor 5000 run in the month of December!
Well, Abbey, your record has been broken!
No, it was shattered!!
In yesterday's Boston University opener, the Women's 5K sort of stood out!
Here's why.
The first 3 runners broke Abbey D's mark.
Led by NCAA XC 2nd Sarah Disanza, who won in 15:20.57.
That's right, she crushed the old mark by over 20 seconds!
This makes Disanza 3rd A-T Collegiate!
While a Soph academically, she's a Freshman for INdoors!
Thus, she broke Alicia Craig's 15:43.04 from 2003 for the new Collegiate Frosh record!
(And sorry, Alicia, but this boots you off the Collegiate and US Top 24's too!!)
But it also makes her 5th A-T US!!
And leaves her just 6.71 seconds from making my Top 24 World list!!
Not far behind her was Emily Sisson.
She ran 15:21.84, which makes her 4th A-T Collegiate!
Her 19 second PR also makes her 6th A-T US!
And in 3rd was Liv Westphal!
Her 15:31.62 gives her 7th A-T Collegian.
She's a citizen of France.
These are amazing times, considering the "real" INdoor season doesn't REALLY get going until at least mid-January!!
This year, we've already had Ryen Frazier running a fast HS Mile (See previous post!).
And now this!
(And there might be more I don't yet know about! Stay tuned for anything I might discover later!)
ADD: New info on the 5K.
They ran a solidly negative split.
They reached halfway (2500 meters) in 7:48, so ran the 2nd half in 7:32!
They reached 3000 in 9:22, then 4K in 12:23.
So their final 1000 was just 2:57!!
Do you think they're ready to snag the Collegiate Record??
I do!
The first of 2 HS "Nationals" for XC was held yesterday in Portland OR.
With last year's female winner Alexa Efraimson helping to commentate on the livestream (with Chris Derrick doing it for the Men's race), the races went pretty much according to predictions.
The course was a bit muddy and there was wind!
While Women's winner, Allie Ostrander of Alaska, wasn't a clear favorite, she was one of them!
(Fiona O'Keefe, Destiny Collins, and Stephanie Jenks were some other faves.)
But after some back and forth with O'Keefe, Ostrander took over for good at about 4000 meters, winning easily in 17:19.
The Men's winner, and pre-race favorite, was Tanner Anderson in 15:09.
He ran 4:13 and 8:56 in 2014 OUTdoors for the 1600 and 3200.
Let's hope both of them run at NBIN.
(I'm not too sure Ostrander will, as an article I read said she's off to play point guard for her Kenai (AK) basketball team!!)
This is an "extra" post----as in the old newspaper street vendors cry of "EXTRA! EXTRA! Read all about it!"---but I will have my First Annivesary post on Tuesday!!
It will have lots of good stuff in it!
(Brag, brag, brag!! LOL)
See you all then!
ADD: Here's a couple of other marks I just located!
They don't quite make my Top 24 Collegiate list, but they're good for the first meet of the season!
Raven Saunders, a Frosh at Southern Illinois, had a 56-3.75 SP opener!
It's about 17 inches shy of making the Collegiate list!
Also from SI, Senior Sophia Lozano threw the WT 70-9.25.
She needs another 11.50 inches to make the list!
When Abbey D'Agostino ran 15:40.62 in her Senior season opener for Dartmouth last year, my blog stated it was the fastest-ever INdoor 5000 run in the month of December!
Well, Abbey, your record has been broken!
No, it was shattered!!
In yesterday's Boston University opener, the Women's 5K sort of stood out!
Here's why.
The first 3 runners broke Abbey D's mark.
Led by NCAA XC 2nd Sarah Disanza, who won in 15:20.57.
That's right, she crushed the old mark by over 20 seconds!
This makes Disanza 3rd A-T Collegiate!
While a Soph academically, she's a Freshman for INdoors!
Thus, she broke Alicia Craig's 15:43.04 from 2003 for the new Collegiate Frosh record!
(And sorry, Alicia, but this boots you off the Collegiate and US Top 24's too!!)
But it also makes her 5th A-T US!!
And leaves her just 6.71 seconds from making my Top 24 World list!!
Not far behind her was Emily Sisson.
She ran 15:21.84, which makes her 4th A-T Collegiate!
Her 19 second PR also makes her 6th A-T US!
And in 3rd was Liv Westphal!
Her 15:31.62 gives her 7th A-T Collegian.
She's a citizen of France.
These are amazing times, considering the "real" INdoor season doesn't REALLY get going until at least mid-January!!
This year, we've already had Ryen Frazier running a fast HS Mile (See previous post!).
And now this!
(And there might be more I don't yet know about! Stay tuned for anything I might discover later!)
ADD: New info on the 5K.
They ran a solidly negative split.
They reached halfway (2500 meters) in 7:48, so ran the 2nd half in 7:32!
They reached 3000 in 9:22, then 4K in 12:23.
So their final 1000 was just 2:57!!
Do you think they're ready to snag the Collegiate Record??
I do!
The first of 2 HS "Nationals" for XC was held yesterday in Portland OR.
With last year's female winner Alexa Efraimson helping to commentate on the livestream (with Chris Derrick doing it for the Men's race), the races went pretty much according to predictions.
The course was a bit muddy and there was wind!
While Women's winner, Allie Ostrander of Alaska, wasn't a clear favorite, she was one of them!
(Fiona O'Keefe, Destiny Collins, and Stephanie Jenks were some other faves.)
But after some back and forth with O'Keefe, Ostrander took over for good at about 4000 meters, winning easily in 17:19.
The Men's winner, and pre-race favorite, was Tanner Anderson in 15:09.
He ran 4:13 and 8:56 in 2014 OUTdoors for the 1600 and 3200.
Let's hope both of them run at NBIN.
(I'm not too sure Ostrander will, as an article I read said she's off to play point guard for her Kenai (AK) basketball team!!)
This is an "extra" post----as in the old newspaper street vendors cry of "EXTRA! EXTRA! Read all about it!"---but I will have my First Annivesary post on Tuesday!!
It will have lots of good stuff in it!
(Brag, brag, brag!! LOL)
See you all then!
ADD: Here's a couple of other marks I just located!
They don't quite make my Top 24 Collegiate list, but they're good for the first meet of the season!
Raven Saunders, a Frosh at Southern Illinois, had a 56-3.75 SP opener!
It's about 17 inches shy of making the Collegiate list!
Also from SI, Senior Sophia Lozano threw the WT 70-9.25.
She needs another 11.50 inches to make the list!
Tuesday, December 2, 2014
What you need to do to make Top 24's
The 2015 INdoor T&F season has "officially" begun!
So it's time to look at what you need to do to make my DDD (Top 24 A-T Performers) lists.
And I will soon get to that.
But first, there's a few items I want to tell you about.
I found an old OUTdoor mark---from August!---I missed.
Venelina Veneva-Mateeva (sp?) HJ'ed 6-2.75 to set an Age 40 record!
I had only a 5-9.25 as my previous record, so this shatters it!!
That's a really amazing mark!!
I don't normally report times from XC, nor from 8th graders!
But an Alabama girl named Amaris Tyynismaa ran in one of the HS Regional meets last week, winning the Middle School division in the great time of 16:57.
Great?
Well yes, if you consider Anna Rohrer, one of the very best HSers, ran 16:59 to win HER race!
As far as Amaris's track potential, I have no idea.
But one target for her could be that 16:43.02 INdoor 5000 that Brianna Jackucewicz ran in 2004 as a 7th grader!
She's reportedly run 10:23 for 3000 meters.
But most startling is her progress this season!
She's run just 3 XC 5000's.
She began in late August with a 18:43!
Then on November 8th, she ran 17:03!
And finally, that 16:57!
She's Finnish, but appears to be an American citizen.
Watch for her name during this INdoor season!
Another young girl to watch, though she's now 18 and a college Frosh at Lipscomb in Tennessee, is Kayla Montgomery!
She's that girl who has Multiple Sclerosis, but became one of the better HSers, and finished 57th in her Regional XC race with a time of 20:59 for 6000 meters.
Your best introduction to her would be to watch the ESPN video called "Catching Kayla", done this summer.
One indication of its power is that it made Shalane Flanagan cry, and to say she was inspired by it!
Strongly recommended.
For links to that video, plus a Flotrack interview with her, and the entire race where she won the NC State Championship in the 3200, go to the T&F News Current Affairs thread simply titled "Kayla Montgomery".
I provide all the above links, plus commentary.
In the Armory opener (PSAL Pilgrim Games) on November 30th, Richard Rose had the best mark, a 600 in 1:20.98.
He's run over 2 seconds faster, but not bad for November!!
Another major announcement, out just minutes ago, is that Jenny Simpson will race the 2 Mile at Boston's meet on February 7th.
If you recall, she miscounted the laps at last year's edition, and lost the race, and her attempt to break the American Record!
I would hope she's taken a remedial math class since then!!
LOL
Finally, Hoka One One has become the sponsor of what was once called the Oxy High Performance meet.
They've announced it will be livestreamed!
Okay, on to my Top 24's.
I will simply post all my 24th Place marks, the LEAST mark needed to make it onto the A-T Top 24 lists for World, US, Collegiate, and HS.
All marks are for INdoor T&F!
No OT marks are included.
Also, no converted 1600 or 3200 meter times.
Boys HS throws (SP & WT) are for HS weighted implements!
Multis are the Hept for the Men (but Pent for HS!), Pent for the Women.
After posting the times, I will offer a few names of athletes who are NOT currently on these lists, but who are MOST LIKELY to get on one or more of them in 2015.
As I've done in the past, the columns are, from left to right, World, US, Collegiate, High School.
The symbol "*****" means that event is not run often enough to have a list.
Men
60 6.48 6.51 6.54 6.71
200 20.40 20.43 20.50 21.37
400 45.39 45.54 45.66 47.45
600 1:16.19 1:17.38 1:18.28 1:20.22
800 1:45.44 1:47.11 1:47.14 1:51.80
1000 2:17.67 2:19.9 2:22.51 2:28.11
1500 3:34.89 3:39.8 3:44.45 3:55.22
1 Mile 3:53.02 3:55.84 3:56.77 4:08.77
2000 4:58.76 5:02.41 ***** *****
3000 7:34.47 7:46.09 7:50.44 8:32.3
2 Mile 8:15.02 8:28.8 ***** 9:01.92
5000 13:11.78 13:37.09 13:37.03 14:53.21
60H 7.44 7.51 7.61 7.77
HJ 7-8.75 7-7.25 7-6.50 7-2
LJ 27-3.25 26-11.75 26-8.50 24-9.25
TJ 57-3.75 55-9 55-1.50 50-3.25
PV 19-4.25 18-9.50 18-6 17-0.75
SP 70-8 69-8 67-4.25 66-10.25
WT 76-3.50 75-4.75 74-7 75-0.50
Multis 6229 5826 5868 3586
4X400R 3:13.21 ***** 3:06.84 *****
DMR ***** ***** 9:33.01 *****
Women
60 7.04 7.13 7.18 7.34
200 22.59 22.87 22.84 23.80
400 50.71 51.83 51.92 54.16
600 1:27.14 1:29.34 1:30.56 1:32.00
800 1:58.9 2:01.87 2:03.47 2:07.81
1000 2:35.80 2:42.61 2:45.86 2:50.69
1500 4:03.53 4:10.72 4:18.2 4:28.3
1 Mile 4:26.50 4:30.39 4:33.76 4:46.11
2000 5:43.99 5:56.78 ***** *****
3000 8:38.14 8:54.55 9:03.47 9:44.60
2 Mile 9:36.00 9:50.07 ***** 10:21.85
5000 15:13.86 15:43.04 15:43.69 17:00.54
60H 7.82 7.93 8.00 8.39
HJ 6-6.75 6-3.25 6-2.75 5-11
LJ 22-10.50 21-8.75 21-8 20-1
TJ 48-2 44-6.75 44-8.25 41-4.50
PV 15-3.50 14-7.25 14-3.50 13-2.25
SP 67-6.25 59-1.25 57-8.25 49-4.50
WT 73-2.50 71-10.25 71-8.75 56-10.75
Multis 4768 4253 4253 3578
4X400R 3:36.17 ***** 3:35.19 *****
DMR ***** ***** 11:06.77 *****
If you noticed a couple of Collegiate 24's better than the US's, it's partially because there's many non-US athletes who compete in the NCAA.
Also, a few events (the 2000's, for example) don't have a 24-deep list!
Here's a few names who are NOT currently on these lists, who COULD make the lists in 2015.....IF they compete INdoors!! (And are healthy, etc!!)
Obvious names missing are Usain Bolt and Yohan Blake in the Men's sprints!
Trayvon Bromell and Trentavis Friday could make the Collegiate sprint lists.
The Men's Collegiate 1 mile list doesn't have Ed Cheserek's name on it.....yet!
Ches is also missing from the Collegiate 3000 and 5000 lists!
Devon Allen isn't on the Collegiate 60H list, but will he compete INdoors?
Can Devin King up his Vault mark by almost 6 inches to make the Collegiate list?
Will Noah Lyles run INdoors to make the HS 200 list?
Grant Fisher and Austin Tamagno are missing from the 1500 & Mile lists for HSers.
Remember, 8 of the Top 24 HS 5000's came from last year!
Will it be a repeat (or more!!) in 2015??
David Rudisha, Nijel Amos, Nick Symmonds, and Duane Solomon are all not on the Men's World 800 list!
Symmonds is on the US 1000 list, but short by 1 second from the World list!
Can he make it there this year?
Asbel Kiprop and Ayanleh Souleiman are both not on the World 1500 and 1 Mile lists!
The Men's US 2 Mile list is neck-deep in marks from the 60's, 70's, and 80's!
That could so easily change in 2015.......IF!!!
(Same goes for the Women!!)
Believe it or not, Bogdan Bondarenko is NOT on the World HJ list!!
Nor are Derek Drouin and Eric Kynard.
After a great 2014 OUTdoors, will Mark Hollis make the US PV list?
(Or even the World list??)
Ryan Crouser is (barely, at number 24!) on the US SP list, but about 1 foot shy of the World list.
The Women's HS sprint lists are missing Kaylin Whitney's name!
As I've stated several times, it's a shame that Sophie Cantine ran her GREAT 2:47.64 1000 on an OT!
Hopefully, in 2015 she will move to a 200 meter track to run that kind of time, to easily make the HS 1K list!
The Girl's HS 5000 list is missing SO many names!!
With the Renaissance in HS distance running recently, if even half of the current crop of stars would run the NBIN 5000, that list would be DRASTICALLY revised!!
Courtney Corrin isn't on the HS LJ list!
ALL of the Girl's HS 50 foot SP'ers are graduated, so it's a question who might be able to pop onto the HS list this year!
Speaking of the SP, look for Raven Saunders to make the Collegiate list in her Frosh year!
Based on which events she runs INdoors, Stanford Freshman Elise Cranny could make EVERY Collegiate list from 600 through 5000!!
NCAA XC winner Kate Avery isn't on any of the Collegiate distance lists!
Will she get on them in 2015?
And what about surprise NCAA XC 2nd Sarah DiSanza?
What's HER choice of events?
Will Aisling Cuffe, Erin Finn, and Wesley Frazier come back from injury and illness to make the Collegiate 5000 list?
I'd love to see Dior Hall improve by 0.11 seconds to make the Collegiate 60H list in her Frosh year!
Multi's girl Kendell Williams is also missing from the 60H list!
Keturah Orji might crack the Collegiate TJ list in her Freshman year!
Look for Desiree Freier's name to be added to the Collegiate PV list!
Can HSer Kaylin Whitney make even the US and World lists, especially in the 200?
Dafne Schippers is missing from the World sprint lists.
Mary Cain is missing from the US 600 and 800 lists!
She's also missing from the World 1500 and 2 Mile lists, as well as the US lists in the 3000 and 5000.
Speaking of HS phenoms (or, in Cain's & Cranny's case, FORMER HS phenoms!!), will Alexa Efraimson make the US 1500 and 1 Mile lists?
She would even have the chance to make the US 3000 and 2 mile lists!
Will Abbey D'Agostino start her Pro career on the track by making the INdoor World 5000 list?
As noted earlier, Genzebe Dibaba WILL be adding her name to the INdoor World 1 Mile and 5000 lists!
(With World Records, no less!!)
Brigetta Barrett isn't on the World HJ list.
She COULD be!!
Tianna Bartoletta and Tori Bowie are both missing from the World LJ list, but could get on it in 2015.
I mentioned Keturah Orji possibly making the Collegiate TJ list!
She could also make the US list!
Ditto goes for Desiree Freier making the US list in addition to the Collegiate list!
Kendell Williams is the CR holder, but she's about 130 points shy of making the World list!!
Can she do it?
I think so!
Well, I could probably add about 100 or more names as possibilities to make any of the 8 DDD lists (4 each for Men and Women), but this post is already WAY too long!!
Look for a First Anniversary post on December 9th!!
Other than that, December SHOULD produce several good marks worth reporting!
And, guaranteed, you'll find ALL of them right HERE!!
See you on the 9th, if not sooner!
So it's time to look at what you need to do to make my DDD (Top 24 A-T Performers) lists.
And I will soon get to that.
But first, there's a few items I want to tell you about.
I found an old OUTdoor mark---from August!---I missed.
Venelina Veneva-Mateeva (sp?) HJ'ed 6-2.75 to set an Age 40 record!
I had only a 5-9.25 as my previous record, so this shatters it!!
That's a really amazing mark!!
I don't normally report times from XC, nor from 8th graders!
But an Alabama girl named Amaris Tyynismaa ran in one of the HS Regional meets last week, winning the Middle School division in the great time of 16:57.
Great?
Well yes, if you consider Anna Rohrer, one of the very best HSers, ran 16:59 to win HER race!
As far as Amaris's track potential, I have no idea.
But one target for her could be that 16:43.02 INdoor 5000 that Brianna Jackucewicz ran in 2004 as a 7th grader!
She's reportedly run 10:23 for 3000 meters.
But most startling is her progress this season!
She's run just 3 XC 5000's.
She began in late August with a 18:43!
Then on November 8th, she ran 17:03!
And finally, that 16:57!
She's Finnish, but appears to be an American citizen.
Watch for her name during this INdoor season!
Another young girl to watch, though she's now 18 and a college Frosh at Lipscomb in Tennessee, is Kayla Montgomery!
She's that girl who has Multiple Sclerosis, but became one of the better HSers, and finished 57th in her Regional XC race with a time of 20:59 for 6000 meters.
Your best introduction to her would be to watch the ESPN video called "Catching Kayla", done this summer.
One indication of its power is that it made Shalane Flanagan cry, and to say she was inspired by it!
Strongly recommended.
For links to that video, plus a Flotrack interview with her, and the entire race where she won the NC State Championship in the 3200, go to the T&F News Current Affairs thread simply titled "Kayla Montgomery".
I provide all the above links, plus commentary.
In the Armory opener (PSAL Pilgrim Games) on November 30th, Richard Rose had the best mark, a 600 in 1:20.98.
He's run over 2 seconds faster, but not bad for November!!
Another major announcement, out just minutes ago, is that Jenny Simpson will race the 2 Mile at Boston's meet on February 7th.
If you recall, she miscounted the laps at last year's edition, and lost the race, and her attempt to break the American Record!
I would hope she's taken a remedial math class since then!!
LOL
Finally, Hoka One One has become the sponsor of what was once called the Oxy High Performance meet.
They've announced it will be livestreamed!
Okay, on to my Top 24's.
I will simply post all my 24th Place marks, the LEAST mark needed to make it onto the A-T Top 24 lists for World, US, Collegiate, and HS.
All marks are for INdoor T&F!
No OT marks are included.
Also, no converted 1600 or 3200 meter times.
Boys HS throws (SP & WT) are for HS weighted implements!
Multis are the Hept for the Men (but Pent for HS!), Pent for the Women.
After posting the times, I will offer a few names of athletes who are NOT currently on these lists, but who are MOST LIKELY to get on one or more of them in 2015.
As I've done in the past, the columns are, from left to right, World, US, Collegiate, High School.
The symbol "*****" means that event is not run often enough to have a list.
Men
60 6.48 6.51 6.54 6.71
200 20.40 20.43 20.50 21.37
400 45.39 45.54 45.66 47.45
600 1:16.19 1:17.38 1:18.28 1:20.22
800 1:45.44 1:47.11 1:47.14 1:51.80
1000 2:17.67 2:19.9 2:22.51 2:28.11
1500 3:34.89 3:39.8 3:44.45 3:55.22
1 Mile 3:53.02 3:55.84 3:56.77 4:08.77
2000 4:58.76 5:02.41 ***** *****
3000 7:34.47 7:46.09 7:50.44 8:32.3
2 Mile 8:15.02 8:28.8 ***** 9:01.92
5000 13:11.78 13:37.09 13:37.03 14:53.21
60H 7.44 7.51 7.61 7.77
HJ 7-8.75 7-7.25 7-6.50 7-2
LJ 27-3.25 26-11.75 26-8.50 24-9.25
TJ 57-3.75 55-9 55-1.50 50-3.25
PV 19-4.25 18-9.50 18-6 17-0.75
SP 70-8 69-8 67-4.25 66-10.25
WT 76-3.50 75-4.75 74-7 75-0.50
Multis 6229 5826 5868 3586
4X400R 3:13.21 ***** 3:06.84 *****
DMR ***** ***** 9:33.01 *****
Women
60 7.04 7.13 7.18 7.34
200 22.59 22.87 22.84 23.80
400 50.71 51.83 51.92 54.16
600 1:27.14 1:29.34 1:30.56 1:32.00
800 1:58.9 2:01.87 2:03.47 2:07.81
1000 2:35.80 2:42.61 2:45.86 2:50.69
1500 4:03.53 4:10.72 4:18.2 4:28.3
1 Mile 4:26.50 4:30.39 4:33.76 4:46.11
2000 5:43.99 5:56.78 ***** *****
3000 8:38.14 8:54.55 9:03.47 9:44.60
2 Mile 9:36.00 9:50.07 ***** 10:21.85
5000 15:13.86 15:43.04 15:43.69 17:00.54
60H 7.82 7.93 8.00 8.39
HJ 6-6.75 6-3.25 6-2.75 5-11
LJ 22-10.50 21-8.75 21-8 20-1
TJ 48-2 44-6.75 44-8.25 41-4.50
PV 15-3.50 14-7.25 14-3.50 13-2.25
SP 67-6.25 59-1.25 57-8.25 49-4.50
WT 73-2.50 71-10.25 71-8.75 56-10.75
Multis 4768 4253 4253 3578
4X400R 3:36.17 ***** 3:35.19 *****
DMR ***** ***** 11:06.77 *****
If you noticed a couple of Collegiate 24's better than the US's, it's partially because there's many non-US athletes who compete in the NCAA.
Also, a few events (the 2000's, for example) don't have a 24-deep list!
Here's a few names who are NOT currently on these lists, who COULD make the lists in 2015.....IF they compete INdoors!! (And are healthy, etc!!)
Obvious names missing are Usain Bolt and Yohan Blake in the Men's sprints!
Trayvon Bromell and Trentavis Friday could make the Collegiate sprint lists.
The Men's Collegiate 1 mile list doesn't have Ed Cheserek's name on it.....yet!
Ches is also missing from the Collegiate 3000 and 5000 lists!
Devon Allen isn't on the Collegiate 60H list, but will he compete INdoors?
Can Devin King up his Vault mark by almost 6 inches to make the Collegiate list?
Will Noah Lyles run INdoors to make the HS 200 list?
Grant Fisher and Austin Tamagno are missing from the 1500 & Mile lists for HSers.
Remember, 8 of the Top 24 HS 5000's came from last year!
Will it be a repeat (or more!!) in 2015??
David Rudisha, Nijel Amos, Nick Symmonds, and Duane Solomon are all not on the Men's World 800 list!
Symmonds is on the US 1000 list, but short by 1 second from the World list!
Can he make it there this year?
Asbel Kiprop and Ayanleh Souleiman are both not on the World 1500 and 1 Mile lists!
The Men's US 2 Mile list is neck-deep in marks from the 60's, 70's, and 80's!
That could so easily change in 2015.......IF!!!
(Same goes for the Women!!)
Believe it or not, Bogdan Bondarenko is NOT on the World HJ list!!
Nor are Derek Drouin and Eric Kynard.
After a great 2014 OUTdoors, will Mark Hollis make the US PV list?
(Or even the World list??)
Ryan Crouser is (barely, at number 24!) on the US SP list, but about 1 foot shy of the World list.
The Women's HS sprint lists are missing Kaylin Whitney's name!
As I've stated several times, it's a shame that Sophie Cantine ran her GREAT 2:47.64 1000 on an OT!
Hopefully, in 2015 she will move to a 200 meter track to run that kind of time, to easily make the HS 1K list!
The Girl's HS 5000 list is missing SO many names!!
With the Renaissance in HS distance running recently, if even half of the current crop of stars would run the NBIN 5000, that list would be DRASTICALLY revised!!
Courtney Corrin isn't on the HS LJ list!
ALL of the Girl's HS 50 foot SP'ers are graduated, so it's a question who might be able to pop onto the HS list this year!
Speaking of the SP, look for Raven Saunders to make the Collegiate list in her Frosh year!
Based on which events she runs INdoors, Stanford Freshman Elise Cranny could make EVERY Collegiate list from 600 through 5000!!
NCAA XC winner Kate Avery isn't on any of the Collegiate distance lists!
Will she get on them in 2015?
And what about surprise NCAA XC 2nd Sarah DiSanza?
What's HER choice of events?
Will Aisling Cuffe, Erin Finn, and Wesley Frazier come back from injury and illness to make the Collegiate 5000 list?
I'd love to see Dior Hall improve by 0.11 seconds to make the Collegiate 60H list in her Frosh year!
Multi's girl Kendell Williams is also missing from the 60H list!
Keturah Orji might crack the Collegiate TJ list in her Freshman year!
Look for Desiree Freier's name to be added to the Collegiate PV list!
Can HSer Kaylin Whitney make even the US and World lists, especially in the 200?
Dafne Schippers is missing from the World sprint lists.
Mary Cain is missing from the US 600 and 800 lists!
She's also missing from the World 1500 and 2 Mile lists, as well as the US lists in the 3000 and 5000.
Speaking of HS phenoms (or, in Cain's & Cranny's case, FORMER HS phenoms!!), will Alexa Efraimson make the US 1500 and 1 Mile lists?
She would even have the chance to make the US 3000 and 2 mile lists!
Will Abbey D'Agostino start her Pro career on the track by making the INdoor World 5000 list?
As noted earlier, Genzebe Dibaba WILL be adding her name to the INdoor World 1 Mile and 5000 lists!
(With World Records, no less!!)
Brigetta Barrett isn't on the World HJ list.
She COULD be!!
Tianna Bartoletta and Tori Bowie are both missing from the World LJ list, but could get on it in 2015.
I mentioned Keturah Orji possibly making the Collegiate TJ list!
She could also make the US list!
Ditto goes for Desiree Freier making the US list in addition to the Collegiate list!
Kendell Williams is the CR holder, but she's about 130 points shy of making the World list!!
Can she do it?
I think so!
Well, I could probably add about 100 or more names as possibilities to make any of the 8 DDD lists (4 each for Men and Women), but this post is already WAY too long!!
Look for a First Anniversary post on December 9th!!
Other than that, December SHOULD produce several good marks worth reporting!
And, guaranteed, you'll find ALL of them right HERE!!
See you on the 9th, if not sooner!
Saturday, November 22, 2014
Collegiate Indoor Class Records
Just in!
The first mark from the new INdoor T&F season came in from a JDL All-Comers meet held today!
And it's a good one!
Ryen Frazier, younger sister of Duke's Wesley, ran the fastest-ever Mile by a North Carolina HS'er, her time being 4:44.20.
This ranks her 12th A-T HS, tied with 2 others.
(Actually, one of those tied marks belongs to Suzy Favor (Hamilton), a hand-timed 4:44.2, which I count as 4:44.20!)
And as with the WR attempt announcements (See earlier post from today!), this beats last year's earliest received marks by almost 3 weeks!!)
Keep them coming, guys and gals!!
Now on to the Collegiate Class Records!
I'll do the Men first, then the Women.
I'll repeat the exact format I used in my earlier post about HS Class Records, first listing all the records (No names or dates!), then some comments, followed by a list of athletes who might challenge some of the marks!
Unlike the HS classifications, I use "Frosh", "Soph", "Junior", and "Senior" instead of numbered grades!
Frosh: 6.54, 20.40, 44.93, 1:16.92, 1:46.13, 2:19.53 (No 1500 mark!), 3:55.02, 7:52.64, 13:41.89, 7.57, 7-6, 26-7.75, 55-8.25, 18-8.75, 65-10.50, 74-10.50, 5674.
Soph: 6.51, 20.10, 44.57, 1:17.35, 1:44.84, (No 1000 record!), (No 1500 mark!), 3:55.33, 7:46.45, 13:08.28, 7.52, 7-7, 27-10.75, 56-7.50, 19-1.50, 71-3.50, 77-6, (No Hept mark!)
Junior: 6.51, 20.32, 45.03, 1:17.90, 1:45.88, (No 1000 mark!), 3:38.60, 3:54.74, 7:42.79, 13:26.01, 7.50, 7-7.75, 27-4, 56-11.50, 19-2.25, 70-6.25, 79-7.50, (No Hept mark!)
Senior: 6.45, 20.26, 45.29, 1:15.79, 1:45.33, 2:18.55, 3:37.25, 3:52.88, 7:38.59, 13:13.74, 7.47, 7-9.25, 28-2.25, 57-5, 19-1, 70-7.25, 78-9.25, 6499.
A couple of comments.
The NCAA mostly runs the 1 Mile INdoors, and doesn't time the 1500 enroute, thus the lack of 1500 marks.
The 2 Mile isn't run by Collegians.
Here's a list--a fairly short one!---of guys who could challenge some of these marks.
Frosh challengers include:
Trentavis Friday (60, 200).
(And that's it for Frosh!)
Soph records could fall to:
Trayvon Bromell (60)
Michael Cherry (400, 600)
Tretaz Kinnaird (600, 800, 1000)
Ed Cheserek (any distance he tries between the 1500 and 5000)
Ben Saarel (1500-5000, or any that Cheserek leaves for him!)
Devon Allen (60H)
Junior Class Records might go to:
Arman (Gino?) Hall (400)
Brandon McBride (800, 1000)
Brannon Kidder (1000, 1 Mile)
Shawn Barber (PV)
Jarrion Lawson (LJ)
And Senior Class records could be challenged by:
Dedric Dukes (200)
Aaron Ernest (200)
Vernon Norwood (400)
Rich Peters (800, 1000)
Eric Jenkins (3000, 5000)
Sam Kendricks (PV)
Ryan Crouser (SP)
On the Women's side, here's their Class Records!
Frosh: 7.12, 22.40, 50.88, (No 600 record!), 2:04.27, 2:43.76, 4:22.78, 4:32.49, 9:11.59, 15:43.04, 7.99, 6-4.25, 21-3.50, 45-7.25, 14-5.25, 59-3, 68-4.75, 4635.
Soph: 7.13, 22.49, 50.82, (No 600 mark!), 2:02.76, 2:46.59, (No 1500 record!), 4:32.72, 9:02.05, 15:27.42, 7.90, 6-5.25, 21-11, 46-4, 15-1, 59-7, 75-7.50, 4194.
Junior: 7.09, 22.49, 50.80, (No 600 mark!), 2:01.65, 2:45.40, 4:12.73, 4:30.03, 8:58.14, 15:28.11, 7.78, 6-6, 22-8, 46-2.50, 14-10.75, 62-10, 83-10.25, 4586.
Senior: 7.09, 22.43, 50.46, 1:27.78, 2:00.75, 2:41.00, 4:09.77, 4:25.91, 8:42.03, 15:14.18, 7.84, 6-5, 22-8, 46-9, 14-11, 63-0.75, 83-1.75, 4342.
Some comments.
Imagine what kind of total destruction a NON-Pro Mary Cain might have done to the Frosh Class record book!! EVERY mark from 600 through 5000 would have been obliterated!! (Not to mention a few A-T COLLEGIATE records!!)
I may have more information on 600's and 1000's later on, hopefully filling in the blanks and/or making corrections!!
That Frosh Class 1500 mark, compared to the 1 mile, is terrible! Maybe Elise Cranny can clean that up!!
ALL of the 1000 Class records are pretty bad, when you consider that the "amateur" HSR is BETTER than the Frosh, Soph, and Junior class records on the Collegiate level!!
All of the 200 records are within 0.09 of each other, with a Freshman holding the overall CR!
And all of the sub-Senior class 400 marks are within 0.08 of each other!
The list of Class Record challengers is much longer on the Women's side than the Men's!
Here's the list!
Challenges to Frosh Class records could come from:
Elise Cranny (800, 1000, 1500, 1 Mile, 3000, 5000)
Bethan Knights (3000, 5000)
Sarah Baxter (3000, 5000) IF she runs indoors!
Dior Hall (60H)
Desiree Freier (PV)
Keturah Orji (LJ, TJ)
Raven Saunders (SP)
Soph Class marks could fall to:
Jasmine Todd (60)
Leontia Kallenou (HJ)
Shayla Sanders (60, 200)
Kendell Baisden (200, 400)
Shamier Little (400)
Sabrina Southerland (600, 800, 1000)
Rachele Schulist (3000, 5000)
Erin Finn (3000, 5000) Only if she's recovered from her injury!
Wesley Frazier (1 Mile, 3000, 5000) If she returns to her 2013 form!
Kendell Williams (60H, Pent.)
Annie Rhodes (PV)
Junior Class marks could go to:
Julia Ratcliffe (WT)
Morolake Akinosun (60)
Jenna Prandini (60, 200)
Courtney Okolo (400)
Amy Weissenbach (800, 1000)
Katrina Coogan (1500, 1 Mile, 3000, 5000)
Kate Avery (3000, 5000)
Emily Grove and Megan Clark (PV)
Christina Hillman (SP)
And the Senior Class marks could be challenged by:
Erica Bougard (Pent)
Dezerea Bryant and Kamaria Brown (60, 200)
Jillian Weir (WT)
Aisling Cuffe (3000, 5000) Like with Finn, only if she's back from her fall injury!
Shelby Houlihan (1500, 1 Mile, 3000, 5000)
Dominique Scott (5000)
Emma Bates (5000)
Kendra Harrison (60H)
Kaitlin Petrillose & Sandi Morris (PV)
Ciarra Brewer (TJ)
Kearsten Peoples (SP)
And that does it!
Be back after Thanksgiving with more on INdoor T&F!!
(And who knows what else!!)
Congratulations (again!) to Ryen Frazier for kick-starting the new INdoor season with a BANG, not a whimper!!
The first mark from the new INdoor T&F season came in from a JDL All-Comers meet held today!
And it's a good one!
Ryen Frazier, younger sister of Duke's Wesley, ran the fastest-ever Mile by a North Carolina HS'er, her time being 4:44.20.
This ranks her 12th A-T HS, tied with 2 others.
(Actually, one of those tied marks belongs to Suzy Favor (Hamilton), a hand-timed 4:44.2, which I count as 4:44.20!)
And as with the WR attempt announcements (See earlier post from today!), this beats last year's earliest received marks by almost 3 weeks!!)
Keep them coming, guys and gals!!
Now on to the Collegiate Class Records!
I'll do the Men first, then the Women.
I'll repeat the exact format I used in my earlier post about HS Class Records, first listing all the records (No names or dates!), then some comments, followed by a list of athletes who might challenge some of the marks!
Unlike the HS classifications, I use "Frosh", "Soph", "Junior", and "Senior" instead of numbered grades!
Frosh: 6.54, 20.40, 44.93, 1:16.92, 1:46.13, 2:19.53 (No 1500 mark!), 3:55.02, 7:52.64, 13:41.89, 7.57, 7-6, 26-7.75, 55-8.25, 18-8.75, 65-10.50, 74-10.50, 5674.
Soph: 6.51, 20.10, 44.57, 1:17.35, 1:44.84, (No 1000 record!), (No 1500 mark!), 3:55.33, 7:46.45, 13:08.28, 7.52, 7-7, 27-10.75, 56-7.50, 19-1.50, 71-3.50, 77-6, (No Hept mark!)
Junior: 6.51, 20.32, 45.03, 1:17.90, 1:45.88, (No 1000 mark!), 3:38.60, 3:54.74, 7:42.79, 13:26.01, 7.50, 7-7.75, 27-4, 56-11.50, 19-2.25, 70-6.25, 79-7.50, (No Hept mark!)
Senior: 6.45, 20.26, 45.29, 1:15.79, 1:45.33, 2:18.55, 3:37.25, 3:52.88, 7:38.59, 13:13.74, 7.47, 7-9.25, 28-2.25, 57-5, 19-1, 70-7.25, 78-9.25, 6499.
A couple of comments.
The NCAA mostly runs the 1 Mile INdoors, and doesn't time the 1500 enroute, thus the lack of 1500 marks.
The 2 Mile isn't run by Collegians.
Here's a list--a fairly short one!---of guys who could challenge some of these marks.
Frosh challengers include:
Trentavis Friday (60, 200).
(And that's it for Frosh!)
Soph records could fall to:
Trayvon Bromell (60)
Michael Cherry (400, 600)
Tretaz Kinnaird (600, 800, 1000)
Ed Cheserek (any distance he tries between the 1500 and 5000)
Ben Saarel (1500-5000, or any that Cheserek leaves for him!)
Devon Allen (60H)
Junior Class Records might go to:
Arman (Gino?) Hall (400)
Brandon McBride (800, 1000)
Brannon Kidder (1000, 1 Mile)
Shawn Barber (PV)
Jarrion Lawson (LJ)
And Senior Class records could be challenged by:
Dedric Dukes (200)
Aaron Ernest (200)
Vernon Norwood (400)
Rich Peters (800, 1000)
Eric Jenkins (3000, 5000)
Sam Kendricks (PV)
Ryan Crouser (SP)
On the Women's side, here's their Class Records!
Frosh: 7.12, 22.40, 50.88, (No 600 record!), 2:04.27, 2:43.76, 4:22.78, 4:32.49, 9:11.59, 15:43.04, 7.99, 6-4.25, 21-3.50, 45-7.25, 14-5.25, 59-3, 68-4.75, 4635.
Soph: 7.13, 22.49, 50.82, (No 600 mark!), 2:02.76, 2:46.59, (No 1500 record!), 4:32.72, 9:02.05, 15:27.42, 7.90, 6-5.25, 21-11, 46-4, 15-1, 59-7, 75-7.50, 4194.
Junior: 7.09, 22.49, 50.80, (No 600 mark!), 2:01.65, 2:45.40, 4:12.73, 4:30.03, 8:58.14, 15:28.11, 7.78, 6-6, 22-8, 46-2.50, 14-10.75, 62-10, 83-10.25, 4586.
Senior: 7.09, 22.43, 50.46, 1:27.78, 2:00.75, 2:41.00, 4:09.77, 4:25.91, 8:42.03, 15:14.18, 7.84, 6-5, 22-8, 46-9, 14-11, 63-0.75, 83-1.75, 4342.
Some comments.
Imagine what kind of total destruction a NON-Pro Mary Cain might have done to the Frosh Class record book!! EVERY mark from 600 through 5000 would have been obliterated!! (Not to mention a few A-T COLLEGIATE records!!)
I may have more information on 600's and 1000's later on, hopefully filling in the blanks and/or making corrections!!
That Frosh Class 1500 mark, compared to the 1 mile, is terrible! Maybe Elise Cranny can clean that up!!
ALL of the 1000 Class records are pretty bad, when you consider that the "amateur" HSR is BETTER than the Frosh, Soph, and Junior class records on the Collegiate level!!
All of the 200 records are within 0.09 of each other, with a Freshman holding the overall CR!
And all of the sub-Senior class 400 marks are within 0.08 of each other!
The list of Class Record challengers is much longer on the Women's side than the Men's!
Here's the list!
Challenges to Frosh Class records could come from:
Elise Cranny (800, 1000, 1500, 1 Mile, 3000, 5000)
Bethan Knights (3000, 5000)
Sarah Baxter (3000, 5000) IF she runs indoors!
Dior Hall (60H)
Desiree Freier (PV)
Keturah Orji (LJ, TJ)
Raven Saunders (SP)
Soph Class marks could fall to:
Jasmine Todd (60)
Leontia Kallenou (HJ)
Shayla Sanders (60, 200)
Kendell Baisden (200, 400)
Shamier Little (400)
Sabrina Southerland (600, 800, 1000)
Rachele Schulist (3000, 5000)
Erin Finn (3000, 5000) Only if she's recovered from her injury!
Wesley Frazier (1 Mile, 3000, 5000) If she returns to her 2013 form!
Kendell Williams (60H, Pent.)
Annie Rhodes (PV)
Junior Class marks could go to:
Julia Ratcliffe (WT)
Morolake Akinosun (60)
Jenna Prandini (60, 200)
Courtney Okolo (400)
Amy Weissenbach (800, 1000)
Katrina Coogan (1500, 1 Mile, 3000, 5000)
Kate Avery (3000, 5000)
Emily Grove and Megan Clark (PV)
Christina Hillman (SP)
And the Senior Class marks could be challenged by:
Erica Bougard (Pent)
Dezerea Bryant and Kamaria Brown (60, 200)
Jillian Weir (WT)
Aisling Cuffe (3000, 5000) Like with Finn, only if she's back from her fall injury!
Shelby Houlihan (1500, 1 Mile, 3000, 5000)
Dominique Scott (5000)
Emma Bates (5000)
Kendra Harrison (60H)
Kaitlin Petrillose & Sandi Morris (PV)
Ciarra Brewer (TJ)
Kearsten Peoples (SP)
And that does it!
Be back after Thanksgiving with more on INdoor T&F!!
(And who knows what else!!)
Congratulations (again!) to Ryen Frazier for kick-starting the new INdoor season with a BANG, not a whimper!!
NCAA XC, Class Records, 3 WR Attempts
Got lots to write about, so let's get on it!
Kate Avery and Ed Cheserek dominated the Individual races at the NCAA XC Championships today.
(Michigan State won the Women's race, while Colorado won the Men's.)
Avery led almost from the start, expanded her lead to over 10 seconds, and won by 8 in the time of 19:32.
A surprise 2nd was Wisconsin's Sarah DiSanza, in 19:40.
Emma Bates finished 3rd.
Top Freshmen girls were Elise Cranny (12th), a surprising Alice Wright in 17th, then Bethan Knights in 25th.
The Men's race was entirely different.
A HUGE "lead pack" of maybe 100 (!!) jogged the first 5K in 15:31.
At 8K, King Ches decided to run, and while he continually looked back to see where teammate Eric Jenkins was (and cheer him on!!), Cheserek won decisively in 30:20 (14:49 last 5K).
Jenkins did finish 2nd for a 1-2 Ducks finish, but Colorado easily won the team title!
Oregon was back in 5th or 6th!
Before I get to the Class Records section of this post, I need to report some VERY early announcements of Indoor World Record attempts, set to happen at 3 different meets by 2 different athletes.
Last year, the first announcements of record attempts weren't made until around December 10th!
At the Armory Track Invitational (NYC) on January 31st, Galen Rupp will try to break the World Record in the Two Mile run!
Also at that meet, Mary Cain will go after Meseret Defar's "World Junior Record" of 9:34.03 in a Two Mile also!
(To my mind, "WJR's" don't exist! Thus, I see her going after Defar's Age 18 record (that 9:34.03!). And I'm REALLY hoping she goes after the American Record as well, Regina Jacob's 9:23.38!)
Jordan Hasay will join Cain in the Two Mile, while Matthew Centrowitz will run a leg on an International DMR team!
Genzebe Dibaba said she wants TWO World Records this season (as opposed to her THREE last year!!).
She'll go after Defar's 14:24.37 5000 at the Stockholm meet.
Then she'll run the One Mile in Birmingham, that record being Doinia Melinte's 4:17.14.
(Her 3:55.17 last year is worth about 4:11 or 4:12 for the Mile!)
Also announced for the Armory meet are Chaunte Lowe and Will Claye.
The Hilton Garden Invitational (Winston-Salem NC), also on January 31st, a Men's and Women's "Camel City Mile" race will be held.
The Men's race features Will Leer, Leo Manzano, and Cory Leslie.
The Women's race will have Shannon Rowbury, Morgan Uceny, Heather Kampf, Sara Vaughn, and Stephanie Garcia.
There will also be featured 800 and 3000 meter races.
Phoebe Wright and Richard Jones have been announced for the 800's so far!
Now for my report on which Class Records might be broken (or challenged) this Indoor season!
Following are the Class Records for High Schoolers.
I'll just list the records (in the usual order of events), but no names or dates.
I'll do the Boys first, then the Girls
9th Grade: 6.78, 21.95, 48.76, 1:20.97, 1:55.45, 2:33.38, 4:02.21. 4:15.13, 8:23.80, 8:57.44, 14:18.42, 8.03, 6-8, 24-5, 46-8.50, 15-6.25, 66-7.25, 64-7.50.
10th Grade: 6.67, 21.56, 46.84, 1:19.05, 1:51.11, 2:27.59, 3:52.5, 4:09.82, 8:09.86, 8:42.66, 14:54.27, 7.83, 7-2, 25-8.25, 50-2.50, 16-9, 70-5, 75.0.50.
11th Grade: 6.64, 21.02, 46.88, 1:17.64, 1:49.94, 2:23.56, 3:47.60, 4:02.21, 8:07.54, 8:40.70, 13:57.04, 7.62, 7-5.25, 25-9.25, 51-8.25, 17-6.25, 71-5, 87-10.25.
12th Grade: 6.57, 20.69, 45.92, 1:17.58, 1:49.21, 2:22.28, 3:43.27, 3:59.86, 8:05.46, 8:39.15, 14:19.83, 7.57, 7-5, 26-6.50, 52-7.50, 17-10.25, 77-2.50, (63-11 for 16 lb. SP), 93-3.25 (65-8.25 for Intl. WT).
A few comments.
The 9th Grade 1500 is VERY weak, due to the Mile mark not being timed at the 1500 enroute.
That 4:15.13 is worth a 1500 in about 3:58.
That 5000 9th Grade record (by Lukas Verzbickas) is one of the best 9th Grade records.
The 6-8 HJ is probably the weakest, and thus most easily beaten!
Also weak are the TJ and PV in that class.
Note how slow the 10th Grade 5000 is! Should easily be broken!
Those 11th and 12th Grade WT records could last MANY years!!
Some athletes who could challenge some of those records!
Quincy Hall ran the 400 in 46.71 OUTdoors this year as an 8th Grader, and could get the 9th Grade mark of 48.76.
Lane (Don't have 1st name!) could get the Soph WT mark of 75-0.50.
Eleventh Graders who could challenge records are:
Bobby Colontonio (WT)
Grant Holloway (60H)
Noah Lyles (200)
Ward (Don't have 1st name!) (TJ)
Josephus Lyles (I think he's Noah's twin brother--same school, same class!) (400)
Austin Tamagno (1500, 1 Mile, 3000, 2 Mile, 5000)
Andrew Hunter (3000, 2 Mile, 5000)
And here's the 12th Grade records challengers:
Brandon Bray (PV)
Adam Kelly (WT)---Good luck!!
Elijah Armstrong (3000-5000) (He's the one who has that slowish Soph Class 5000 mark!!)
Richard Rose (600-800)
Darryl Harraway (60, 200)
Grant Fisher (1500-2 Mile)
Matthew Maton (1500, 1 Mile)
Alex Ostberg (3000-5000)
Conner Mantz (3000-5000)
Kendell Sheffield (60H)
Brandon Rivera (HJ)
Now for the Girls Class records!
9th Grade: 7.47, 23.55, 53.23, 1:30.1, 2:06.48, 2:50.84, 4:24.4, 4:40.1, 9:42.20, 17:08.45 (a 7th Grader, Brianna Jackucewitz, ran the 5000 in 16:43.02 back in 2004!), 8.44, 5-10, 19-7, 40-2.50, 12-8, 45-7.25, 57-3, 3561 (Pent.)
10th Grade: 7.29, 23.43, 53.45 (for 440 yards! there's no better equivalent 400 time!), 1:29.65, 2:01.8, 2:47.29, 4:24.25, 4:46.13, 9:29.0, 16:37.50, 8.19, 6-0.75, 20-5.75, 42-0.50, 13-6, 48-11, 58-11, 3846.
11th Grade: 7.24, 23.26, 52.19, 1:29.90, 2:04.96, 2:47.21, 4:11.72, 4:28.25, 9:04.51, 9:38.68, 16:19.69, 8.17, 6-1, 21-4, 42-5.50, 14-0, 52-5.75, 65-4.25, 3827
12th Grade: 7.19, 22.97, 51.93, 1:29.27, 2:03.59, 2:43.40, 4:18.9, 4:39.0, 9:17.4, 9:55.92, 16:11.85, 8.11, 6-3, 21-7.50, 44-6.75, 14-6, 56-7.50, 68-2.50, 4068.
A few comments.
The 9th Grade 1 Mile mark will be 42 years old in 2015!
Sophie Cantine ran the 1000 as a 9th Grader last year in 2:47.64, but it was on Seattle's OT, so doesn't count!
That 2:01.8 10th Grade 800 mark will be 41 years old in 2015.
The new PRO HS category has 3 members, Alana Hadley, Alexa Efraimson, and Mary Cain.
Cain's graduated, so Efraimson will be going after the following PRO HS (and 12th Grade PRO HS) records, all held by Cain:
1000 of 2:35.80
1500 of 4:06.63
1 Mile of 4:24.11
Desiree Freier's 14-6 12th Grade PV record was set during an OUTdoor meet, but the PV was moved INdoors, so counts as the INdoor record!
Here's some athletes who could challenge some of these marks!
New 9th Grade marks could fall to:
Daloria Boone (LJ)
Gabrielle Wilkinson (800, 1000, 1500, 1 Mile)
Bryn Morley (1000, 1500, 1 Mile)
Rylee Bowen (3000, 2 Mile, 5000)
Soph Class (10th Grade) records could be challenged by:
Jessica Lawson (5000)
Carson Dingler (PV)
Tyra Gittens (Pent.)
Candace Hill (60, 200)
Kaelin Roberts (200, 400)
Sophie Cantine (800, 1000, 1500, 1 Mile) But only if run on a 200 meter track!!
Jayla Kirkland (60, 200)
Symone Mason (200)
Sydney McLaughlin (60H, 400)
11th Grade marks could be broken by:
Courtney Corrin (LJ)
Stephanie Jenks (5000)
Kaylin Whitney (60, 200)
Hannah DeBalsi (3000, 2 Mile, 5000)
Alexis Duncan (60H)
Vashti Cunningham (HJ)
And Senior Class (12th Grade) records could be challenged by:
Kaitlyn Merritt (PV)
Haley Showalter, Sabrina Gaitan, and Gabby Figuroa (all WT)
Lexi Weeks (PV)
Sorry, but this post is too long already, so I'll cover the Collegiate Class Records in another post!
Should be ready in an hour or so!
Kate Avery and Ed Cheserek dominated the Individual races at the NCAA XC Championships today.
(Michigan State won the Women's race, while Colorado won the Men's.)
Avery led almost from the start, expanded her lead to over 10 seconds, and won by 8 in the time of 19:32.
A surprise 2nd was Wisconsin's Sarah DiSanza, in 19:40.
Emma Bates finished 3rd.
Top Freshmen girls were Elise Cranny (12th), a surprising Alice Wright in 17th, then Bethan Knights in 25th.
The Men's race was entirely different.
A HUGE "lead pack" of maybe 100 (!!) jogged the first 5K in 15:31.
At 8K, King Ches decided to run, and while he continually looked back to see where teammate Eric Jenkins was (and cheer him on!!), Cheserek won decisively in 30:20 (14:49 last 5K).
Jenkins did finish 2nd for a 1-2 Ducks finish, but Colorado easily won the team title!
Oregon was back in 5th or 6th!
Before I get to the Class Records section of this post, I need to report some VERY early announcements of Indoor World Record attempts, set to happen at 3 different meets by 2 different athletes.
Last year, the first announcements of record attempts weren't made until around December 10th!
At the Armory Track Invitational (NYC) on January 31st, Galen Rupp will try to break the World Record in the Two Mile run!
Also at that meet, Mary Cain will go after Meseret Defar's "World Junior Record" of 9:34.03 in a Two Mile also!
(To my mind, "WJR's" don't exist! Thus, I see her going after Defar's Age 18 record (that 9:34.03!). And I'm REALLY hoping she goes after the American Record as well, Regina Jacob's 9:23.38!)
Jordan Hasay will join Cain in the Two Mile, while Matthew Centrowitz will run a leg on an International DMR team!
Genzebe Dibaba said she wants TWO World Records this season (as opposed to her THREE last year!!).
She'll go after Defar's 14:24.37 5000 at the Stockholm meet.
Then she'll run the One Mile in Birmingham, that record being Doinia Melinte's 4:17.14.
(Her 3:55.17 last year is worth about 4:11 or 4:12 for the Mile!)
Also announced for the Armory meet are Chaunte Lowe and Will Claye.
The Hilton Garden Invitational (Winston-Salem NC), also on January 31st, a Men's and Women's "Camel City Mile" race will be held.
The Men's race features Will Leer, Leo Manzano, and Cory Leslie.
The Women's race will have Shannon Rowbury, Morgan Uceny, Heather Kampf, Sara Vaughn, and Stephanie Garcia.
There will also be featured 800 and 3000 meter races.
Phoebe Wright and Richard Jones have been announced for the 800's so far!
Now for my report on which Class Records might be broken (or challenged) this Indoor season!
Following are the Class Records for High Schoolers.
I'll just list the records (in the usual order of events), but no names or dates.
I'll do the Boys first, then the Girls
9th Grade: 6.78, 21.95, 48.76, 1:20.97, 1:55.45, 2:33.38, 4:02.21. 4:15.13, 8:23.80, 8:57.44, 14:18.42, 8.03, 6-8, 24-5, 46-8.50, 15-6.25, 66-7.25, 64-7.50.
10th Grade: 6.67, 21.56, 46.84, 1:19.05, 1:51.11, 2:27.59, 3:52.5, 4:09.82, 8:09.86, 8:42.66, 14:54.27, 7.83, 7-2, 25-8.25, 50-2.50, 16-9, 70-5, 75.0.50.
11th Grade: 6.64, 21.02, 46.88, 1:17.64, 1:49.94, 2:23.56, 3:47.60, 4:02.21, 8:07.54, 8:40.70, 13:57.04, 7.62, 7-5.25, 25-9.25, 51-8.25, 17-6.25, 71-5, 87-10.25.
12th Grade: 6.57, 20.69, 45.92, 1:17.58, 1:49.21, 2:22.28, 3:43.27, 3:59.86, 8:05.46, 8:39.15, 14:19.83, 7.57, 7-5, 26-6.50, 52-7.50, 17-10.25, 77-2.50, (63-11 for 16 lb. SP), 93-3.25 (65-8.25 for Intl. WT).
A few comments.
The 9th Grade 1500 is VERY weak, due to the Mile mark not being timed at the 1500 enroute.
That 4:15.13 is worth a 1500 in about 3:58.
That 5000 9th Grade record (by Lukas Verzbickas) is one of the best 9th Grade records.
The 6-8 HJ is probably the weakest, and thus most easily beaten!
Also weak are the TJ and PV in that class.
Note how slow the 10th Grade 5000 is! Should easily be broken!
Those 11th and 12th Grade WT records could last MANY years!!
Some athletes who could challenge some of those records!
Quincy Hall ran the 400 in 46.71 OUTdoors this year as an 8th Grader, and could get the 9th Grade mark of 48.76.
Lane (Don't have 1st name!) could get the Soph WT mark of 75-0.50.
Eleventh Graders who could challenge records are:
Bobby Colontonio (WT)
Grant Holloway (60H)
Noah Lyles (200)
Ward (Don't have 1st name!) (TJ)
Josephus Lyles (I think he's Noah's twin brother--same school, same class!) (400)
Austin Tamagno (1500, 1 Mile, 3000, 2 Mile, 5000)
Andrew Hunter (3000, 2 Mile, 5000)
And here's the 12th Grade records challengers:
Brandon Bray (PV)
Adam Kelly (WT)---Good luck!!
Elijah Armstrong (3000-5000) (He's the one who has that slowish Soph Class 5000 mark!!)
Richard Rose (600-800)
Darryl Harraway (60, 200)
Grant Fisher (1500-2 Mile)
Matthew Maton (1500, 1 Mile)
Alex Ostberg (3000-5000)
Conner Mantz (3000-5000)
Kendell Sheffield (60H)
Brandon Rivera (HJ)
Now for the Girls Class records!
9th Grade: 7.47, 23.55, 53.23, 1:30.1, 2:06.48, 2:50.84, 4:24.4, 4:40.1, 9:42.20, 17:08.45 (a 7th Grader, Brianna Jackucewitz, ran the 5000 in 16:43.02 back in 2004!), 8.44, 5-10, 19-7, 40-2.50, 12-8, 45-7.25, 57-3, 3561 (Pent.)
10th Grade: 7.29, 23.43, 53.45 (for 440 yards! there's no better equivalent 400 time!), 1:29.65, 2:01.8, 2:47.29, 4:24.25, 4:46.13, 9:29.0, 16:37.50, 8.19, 6-0.75, 20-5.75, 42-0.50, 13-6, 48-11, 58-11, 3846.
11th Grade: 7.24, 23.26, 52.19, 1:29.90, 2:04.96, 2:47.21, 4:11.72, 4:28.25, 9:04.51, 9:38.68, 16:19.69, 8.17, 6-1, 21-4, 42-5.50, 14-0, 52-5.75, 65-4.25, 3827
12th Grade: 7.19, 22.97, 51.93, 1:29.27, 2:03.59, 2:43.40, 4:18.9, 4:39.0, 9:17.4, 9:55.92, 16:11.85, 8.11, 6-3, 21-7.50, 44-6.75, 14-6, 56-7.50, 68-2.50, 4068.
A few comments.
The 9th Grade 1 Mile mark will be 42 years old in 2015!
Sophie Cantine ran the 1000 as a 9th Grader last year in 2:47.64, but it was on Seattle's OT, so doesn't count!
That 2:01.8 10th Grade 800 mark will be 41 years old in 2015.
The new PRO HS category has 3 members, Alana Hadley, Alexa Efraimson, and Mary Cain.
Cain's graduated, so Efraimson will be going after the following PRO HS (and 12th Grade PRO HS) records, all held by Cain:
1000 of 2:35.80
1500 of 4:06.63
1 Mile of 4:24.11
Desiree Freier's 14-6 12th Grade PV record was set during an OUTdoor meet, but the PV was moved INdoors, so counts as the INdoor record!
Here's some athletes who could challenge some of these marks!
New 9th Grade marks could fall to:
Daloria Boone (LJ)
Gabrielle Wilkinson (800, 1000, 1500, 1 Mile)
Bryn Morley (1000, 1500, 1 Mile)
Rylee Bowen (3000, 2 Mile, 5000)
Soph Class (10th Grade) records could be challenged by:
Jessica Lawson (5000)
Carson Dingler (PV)
Tyra Gittens (Pent.)
Candace Hill (60, 200)
Kaelin Roberts (200, 400)
Sophie Cantine (800, 1000, 1500, 1 Mile) But only if run on a 200 meter track!!
Jayla Kirkland (60, 200)
Symone Mason (200)
Sydney McLaughlin (60H, 400)
11th Grade marks could be broken by:
Courtney Corrin (LJ)
Stephanie Jenks (5000)
Kaylin Whitney (60, 200)
Hannah DeBalsi (3000, 2 Mile, 5000)
Alexis Duncan (60H)
Vashti Cunningham (HJ)
And Senior Class (12th Grade) records could be challenged by:
Kaitlyn Merritt (PV)
Haley Showalter, Sabrina Gaitan, and Gabby Figuroa (all WT)
Lexi Weeks (PV)
Sorry, but this post is too long already, so I'll cover the Collegiate Class Records in another post!
Should be ready in an hour or so!
Sunday, November 16, 2014
2015 INDOOR T&F Preview: AGE Records (Part 2)
Back again!
Now for the Age 29's down to the youngest (0 to 17)!
Age 29
David Torrence, Will Leer, and Ben True have a chance for some records.
They might go after the 1500 mark of 3:33.32 or the 1 Mile mark of 3:54.49.
The 3000 record of 7:28.29 would require an American Record!
The 5000 mark of 13:15.64 might be best for True to chase.
Sally Kipyego could get the 3000 record of 8:31.73, the 2 Mile mark of 9:45.99, or the 5000 record of 14:48.21.
Morgan Uceny doesn't turn 30 until March 10th, so she might chase the Age 29 One Mile mark of 4:24.98.
She seems to be on a swift comeback path!
Michelle Carter and Christina Schwanitz would have to get BIG PR's to nab Valerie Adams's 2014 record of 67-9.50!
Age 28
Galen Rupp is eligible for the Age 28 One Mile mark, owned by Eamonn Coghlan, his 3:50.6 run back in 1981.
Rupp could also get the 3000 (7:32.78), 2 Mile (8:06.61), or the 5000 (13:02.95).
Jenny Simpson would need to run the 1500 in 3:59.40 for the record.
The 1 Mile mark is easier, just 4:25.62.
Other possible targets for Jenny are the 2000 (5:40.9), 3000 (8:27.86), 2 Mile (9:19.39), and even the 5000 mark of 14:55.99!
Gabe Grunewald might have a shot at the 1 Mile record too, as might Sarah Brown and Heather Kampf!
Kampf turns 28 on January 19th!
Shelly Anne Fraser-Pryce would need a 60 of 6.96 or a 200 time of 22.33 to get those records.
Alysia Montano could get the 600 mark of 1:26.28!
She ran that distance in an AR 1:23.59 in 2013
Sally Pearson would need a time of 7.63 to just tie Lyudmila Engqvist's record from 1993.
Ivan Ukhov needs a HJ of 7:10.75 to get the record.
Renaud Lavillenie will be chasing Sergey Bubka again, this time his 19-8.25 from 1992!
Ryan Whiting's target is Reese Hoffa's 72-6.50 from 2006.
Britney Riley holds 3 Age records in the WT (20, 21, and 25).
Amber Campbell holds the Age 28 mark with her 81-0.50 from 2010.
Age 27
Ashton Eaton turns 27 on January 21st.
If he does a Heptathlon at USATF, his target will be 6425 points!
Brenda Martinez would need to break the AR to get the Age 27 1000 mark of 2:33.93.
The 1500 and 1 Mile records are 4:03.51 and 4:24.53.
James Dasaolu might get the 60 mark of 6.44.
Muriele Ahoure would need to top SAFP's 6.98 from 2014!
Yarisley Silva would need to top Jenn Suhr's 15-10 from 2009.
Age 26
Kristi Castlin, Nia Ali, and Queen Harrison would be after Susannah Kallur's 7.68 from 2008.
Fran McCorory would need a 49.97 400 to get the record!
And Eunice Sum would need a great 1:57.05 to top legendary Maria Mutola, who ran 1:57.06 in 1999.
Age 25
Gwen Berry would need a WT of 82-5 to just tie Britney Riley's age 25 mark from 2012.
Joe Kovacs would need to PR at 73-0.50 just to tie Werner Gunthor's 1987 record!
Teddy Tamgho would need a 57-10 TJ to get the record.
Bogdan Bondarenko would need to top Javier Sotomayor's 7-10.75 from 1993.
Ditto for Derek Drouin, but he doesn't turn 25 until March 6th!
Matt Centrowitz would have relatively easy targets in the 1500 and 1 Mile (3:33.77 and 3:53.54).
Dejen Gebremeskel would have VERY tough records to chase in the 3000 (7:26.80), 2 Mile (Ken Bekele's WR of 8:04.35!!), or the 5000 (12:50.38)!!
I lost my Age 25 record for the Women's 1500, but I believe it was very close to 4:01.
Thus, if Helen Obiri runs that fast, I'll give it to her....until I can do some research on that again!
She could also challenge Paula Ivan's 4:18.99 One Mile mark from 1989, Meseret Defar's 3000 mark of 8:26.99 and Defar's 2 Mile time of 9:06.26, both from 2009.
Defar's 14:24.37 5000, also from 2009, might be out of reach!
Age 24
What will Genzebe Dibaba do in 2015?
If she runs INdoors, every Age 24 record from the 1500 to the 5000 will be hers for the taking!
(She turns 24 on February 8th!)
They'd be so easy for her, I won't even list the marks!!
However, if Dibaba doesn't run, or isn't in 2014 shape, Emma Coburn or Abeba Aregawi could get the 1500 or 1 Mile marks of 4:04.42 and 4:23.53!
Yenew Alamirew might target the 3000 record of 7:26.14, the 2 Mile mark of 8:16.89, or the 5000 mark of 13:11.44.
If that latter mark sounds familiar, it's Galen Rupp's former AR from 2011.
Chanelle Price could get the 600 (1:26.0), the 800 (1:58.26), or the 1000 (2:34.30) marks!
Tori Bowie would need great times of 6.92 in the 60, or 22.15 in the 200 just to TIE the records!
Christian Taylor would need to LJ 28-3 or TJ 58-6.25 to nab those records.
Darya Klishina would need a LJ of 22-11 for the record.
She turns 24 on January 15th.)
Erik Kynard turns 24 on February 3rd!
The Age 24 HJ mark is Hollis Conway's 7-10.50 from 1991.
Carolina Kluft holds the Age 24 Heptathlon record, with her 4944 from 2007.
Nadine Broersen would need to top that!
Age 23
Pascal Martinot-Lagarde would need to top Dayron Robles's mark of 7.34 in the 60H!!
Jimmy Vicaut would need a massive PR of 6.38 to tolp Maurice Greene's 6.39 from 1998.
But Vicaut doesn't turn 23 until February 27th!
Mutaz Barshim needs a 7-10.25 to get the Age 23 HJ record.
Brianna Rollins needs a 60H mark of 7.74 for that record!
Laura Roesler's 400 speed could help her get the 600 record of 1:25.46!
The 800 mark of 1:56.40 is almost certainly out of her (current!!) abilities!!
Lawi Lalang would need a One Mile of 3:51.34 to tie the record.
The 5000 would be tougher, but doable.
That record is 12:59.04.
Age 22
Dafne Schippers might compete Indoors, as the European Championships INdoor version is next year!
The records for the 60 and 200 are 6.95 and 22.27.
Jenna Prandini isn't in Schippers class just yet, but that 200 mark isn't TOO far from Prandini's range!
Same goes for Kamaria Brown.
Deon Lendore and Kirani James could challenge Thomas Schonlebe's 45.05, dating from 1988!!
Pierre Ambroise-Bosse could target both the 600 (1:15.80) and the 800 (1:44.57) marks.
Caleb Ndiku has the talent to take down the 3000 mark of 7:30.72, the 2 Mile time of 8:15.49, or the 5000 mark of 13:12.00.
Finally (in the Age 22 bracket), there's new Pro Abbey D'Agostino!
If she's ready to RUN like a Pro, she could get the 1 Mile mark of 4:23.33 or the 2 Mile time of 9:31.7.
Age 21
Angelica Bengtsson has been a "junior" star for several years, but she hasn't really broken out just yet.
Will she, in 2015??
She has a HUGE figurehead to go after, the inimitable Yelena Isinbayeva!!
Luckily for Angelica, Isi PV'ed "just" 15-11.25 when she was 21.
Adam Gemili is another youth prodigy.
His targets would be 6.45 in the 60 and 20.26 in the 200.
Faith Kipyegon's goals will be the 1500 record of 4:00.13 (Held by Ms Genzebe Dibaba, from 2012!), or the much easier 1 Mile record of 4:25.73.
Mohammed Aman's targets would be the 600 (1:15.79), the 800 (1:44.34), and the 1000 (2:15.92).
Aman turns 21 on January 10th, as does Kipyegon! (Yes, their birthdays are exactly the same!)
Age 20
Ajee Wilson and Jessica Judd might go after the same records.
The 600 mark is 1:26.35, the 800 is a toughie at 1:57.55, but the 1000 is an easy 2:37.89.
Judd turns 20 on January 5th!
If Shaunae Miller runs INdoors, the 200 and 400 records are 22.57 and 50.80!
Hagos Gebrhiwet's targets could be the 1500 and 1 Mile (3:33.08 & 3:55.09), the 3000 and 2 Mile (7:31.66 and 8:11.85), or even the 5000 (13:08.28, set by Lawi Lalang in 2012).
Age 19
Keturah Orji doesn't turn 19 until March 5th, but that mark is about 17 inches further than her PR!!
Trayvon Bromell might go after the 60 mark of 6.50!
Kendell Williams and Dior Hall might feel they're capable of getting the Age 19 mark of 7.88 in the 60H.
Both would need MAJOR improvement to do so, but that's not unheard of at their age!
Williams could also target the Heptahlon record of 4681.
It's just 46 points beyond her 2014 mark!
Age 18
Will Mary Cain return at FULL power, after her relatively poor 2014 OUTdoor season?
She seems to be an INdoor powerhouse, so if she DOES "come back", her record range goes all the way from 800 (2:01.82) to the 1000 (2:43.40, the "amateur" HSR!!), the 1500 (4:03.28), 1 Mile (4:24.10), 2000 (no current record in my book, so whatever she ran would become the record), but the 3000 would be VERY tough, as it's 8:33.56, while the 2 Mile is just 9:34.03.
The 5000 is (currently) beyond her abilities, as it's the 14:53.19 of Tirunesh Dibaba from 2004!!
Raevyn Rogers could challenge Cain for the 800 mark, and maybe even the 1000.
Alexa Efraimson will be running her first TRACK race as a Pro in 2015.
She could also challenge Cain for the 1 Mile record!
She could also get the 2 Mile mark, if Cain doesn't get it.
Elise Cranny will also be 18 during the INdoor season, but she's running Collegiately, so might not get into "open" races!
Raven Saunders may have been matchless as an American High Schooler, but as for the Age 18 SP mark, forget it!!
It's over TEN FEET beyond her current best!
Desiree Freier has a 15-1.25 PV as her necessary mark for an Age 18 record!
Age 17 (and under)
Sydney McLaughlin ran phenomenal times OUTdoors in 2014 as a FOURTEEN year old HS freshman!!
But is she ready to tackle Francena McCorory's Age record of 51.93, which is also the HSR??
The 60H mark might be easier, as it's 8.17.
I don't think she's anywhere near ready for Age records or even HSR's, but last winter, Sophie Cantine ran a 1000 in 2:47.64 on Seattle's Oversize Track as a HS Frosh!
If that had been on a 200 meter track, she would have broken the Frosh Class record, and come within 0.35 of Mary Cain's Soph Class record!!
However, Cain's 2:35.80 from 2014 stands as the untouchable Age 17 mark!
Finally, there's my LISTED Age 17 5000 record of 16:11.85.
I'm almost certain some African has run better at that age, even INdoors, but I haven't found any!
So until I do, both Hannah DeBalsi and Stephanie Jenks have a decent shot at that mark, probably at the NBIN.
Cain's 9:38.68 Two Mile is probably JUST outside their current abilities, although both of them could surprise us!
And that is it, folks!!
Next post will come just after the NCAA XC Championships next Saturday!
It will cover potential CLASS Records, from the 9th grade of HS to the Senior class of Collegians!
And I'm certain it will necessitate just ONE post, not two!!
That will be followed by a double-post entry again, covering who I believe can make it into my DDD Top 24 Performers lists in 2015 (INdoor only, of course!!).
I'll do one each for Men and Women.
And after that, probably in early December, we should have some NEWS to report, either early marks or announcements of who's competing where!!
See you later this week!
Now for the Age 29's down to the youngest (0 to 17)!
Age 29
David Torrence, Will Leer, and Ben True have a chance for some records.
They might go after the 1500 mark of 3:33.32 or the 1 Mile mark of 3:54.49.
The 3000 record of 7:28.29 would require an American Record!
The 5000 mark of 13:15.64 might be best for True to chase.
Sally Kipyego could get the 3000 record of 8:31.73, the 2 Mile mark of 9:45.99, or the 5000 record of 14:48.21.
Morgan Uceny doesn't turn 30 until March 10th, so she might chase the Age 29 One Mile mark of 4:24.98.
She seems to be on a swift comeback path!
Michelle Carter and Christina Schwanitz would have to get BIG PR's to nab Valerie Adams's 2014 record of 67-9.50!
Age 28
Galen Rupp is eligible for the Age 28 One Mile mark, owned by Eamonn Coghlan, his 3:50.6 run back in 1981.
Rupp could also get the 3000 (7:32.78), 2 Mile (8:06.61), or the 5000 (13:02.95).
Jenny Simpson would need to run the 1500 in 3:59.40 for the record.
The 1 Mile mark is easier, just 4:25.62.
Other possible targets for Jenny are the 2000 (5:40.9), 3000 (8:27.86), 2 Mile (9:19.39), and even the 5000 mark of 14:55.99!
Gabe Grunewald might have a shot at the 1 Mile record too, as might Sarah Brown and Heather Kampf!
Kampf turns 28 on January 19th!
Shelly Anne Fraser-Pryce would need a 60 of 6.96 or a 200 time of 22.33 to get those records.
Alysia Montano could get the 600 mark of 1:26.28!
She ran that distance in an AR 1:23.59 in 2013
Sally Pearson would need a time of 7.63 to just tie Lyudmila Engqvist's record from 1993.
Ivan Ukhov needs a HJ of 7:10.75 to get the record.
Renaud Lavillenie will be chasing Sergey Bubka again, this time his 19-8.25 from 1992!
Ryan Whiting's target is Reese Hoffa's 72-6.50 from 2006.
Britney Riley holds 3 Age records in the WT (20, 21, and 25).
Amber Campbell holds the Age 28 mark with her 81-0.50 from 2010.
Age 27
Ashton Eaton turns 27 on January 21st.
If he does a Heptathlon at USATF, his target will be 6425 points!
Brenda Martinez would need to break the AR to get the Age 27 1000 mark of 2:33.93.
The 1500 and 1 Mile records are 4:03.51 and 4:24.53.
James Dasaolu might get the 60 mark of 6.44.
Muriele Ahoure would need to top SAFP's 6.98 from 2014!
Yarisley Silva would need to top Jenn Suhr's 15-10 from 2009.
Age 26
Kristi Castlin, Nia Ali, and Queen Harrison would be after Susannah Kallur's 7.68 from 2008.
Fran McCorory would need a 49.97 400 to get the record!
And Eunice Sum would need a great 1:57.05 to top legendary Maria Mutola, who ran 1:57.06 in 1999.
Age 25
Gwen Berry would need a WT of 82-5 to just tie Britney Riley's age 25 mark from 2012.
Joe Kovacs would need to PR at 73-0.50 just to tie Werner Gunthor's 1987 record!
Teddy Tamgho would need a 57-10 TJ to get the record.
Bogdan Bondarenko would need to top Javier Sotomayor's 7-10.75 from 1993.
Ditto for Derek Drouin, but he doesn't turn 25 until March 6th!
Matt Centrowitz would have relatively easy targets in the 1500 and 1 Mile (3:33.77 and 3:53.54).
Dejen Gebremeskel would have VERY tough records to chase in the 3000 (7:26.80), 2 Mile (Ken Bekele's WR of 8:04.35!!), or the 5000 (12:50.38)!!
I lost my Age 25 record for the Women's 1500, but I believe it was very close to 4:01.
Thus, if Helen Obiri runs that fast, I'll give it to her....until I can do some research on that again!
She could also challenge Paula Ivan's 4:18.99 One Mile mark from 1989, Meseret Defar's 3000 mark of 8:26.99 and Defar's 2 Mile time of 9:06.26, both from 2009.
Defar's 14:24.37 5000, also from 2009, might be out of reach!
Age 24
What will Genzebe Dibaba do in 2015?
If she runs INdoors, every Age 24 record from the 1500 to the 5000 will be hers for the taking!
(She turns 24 on February 8th!)
They'd be so easy for her, I won't even list the marks!!
However, if Dibaba doesn't run, or isn't in 2014 shape, Emma Coburn or Abeba Aregawi could get the 1500 or 1 Mile marks of 4:04.42 and 4:23.53!
Yenew Alamirew might target the 3000 record of 7:26.14, the 2 Mile mark of 8:16.89, or the 5000 mark of 13:11.44.
If that latter mark sounds familiar, it's Galen Rupp's former AR from 2011.
Chanelle Price could get the 600 (1:26.0), the 800 (1:58.26), or the 1000 (2:34.30) marks!
Tori Bowie would need great times of 6.92 in the 60, or 22.15 in the 200 just to TIE the records!
Christian Taylor would need to LJ 28-3 or TJ 58-6.25 to nab those records.
Darya Klishina would need a LJ of 22-11 for the record.
She turns 24 on January 15th.)
Erik Kynard turns 24 on February 3rd!
The Age 24 HJ mark is Hollis Conway's 7-10.50 from 1991.
Carolina Kluft holds the Age 24 Heptathlon record, with her 4944 from 2007.
Nadine Broersen would need to top that!
Age 23
Pascal Martinot-Lagarde would need to top Dayron Robles's mark of 7.34 in the 60H!!
Jimmy Vicaut would need a massive PR of 6.38 to tolp Maurice Greene's 6.39 from 1998.
But Vicaut doesn't turn 23 until February 27th!
Mutaz Barshim needs a 7-10.25 to get the Age 23 HJ record.
Brianna Rollins needs a 60H mark of 7.74 for that record!
Laura Roesler's 400 speed could help her get the 600 record of 1:25.46!
The 800 mark of 1:56.40 is almost certainly out of her (current!!) abilities!!
Lawi Lalang would need a One Mile of 3:51.34 to tie the record.
The 5000 would be tougher, but doable.
That record is 12:59.04.
Age 22
Dafne Schippers might compete Indoors, as the European Championships INdoor version is next year!
The records for the 60 and 200 are 6.95 and 22.27.
Jenna Prandini isn't in Schippers class just yet, but that 200 mark isn't TOO far from Prandini's range!
Same goes for Kamaria Brown.
Deon Lendore and Kirani James could challenge Thomas Schonlebe's 45.05, dating from 1988!!
Pierre Ambroise-Bosse could target both the 600 (1:15.80) and the 800 (1:44.57) marks.
Caleb Ndiku has the talent to take down the 3000 mark of 7:30.72, the 2 Mile time of 8:15.49, or the 5000 mark of 13:12.00.
Finally (in the Age 22 bracket), there's new Pro Abbey D'Agostino!
If she's ready to RUN like a Pro, she could get the 1 Mile mark of 4:23.33 or the 2 Mile time of 9:31.7.
Age 21
Angelica Bengtsson has been a "junior" star for several years, but she hasn't really broken out just yet.
Will she, in 2015??
She has a HUGE figurehead to go after, the inimitable Yelena Isinbayeva!!
Luckily for Angelica, Isi PV'ed "just" 15-11.25 when she was 21.
Adam Gemili is another youth prodigy.
His targets would be 6.45 in the 60 and 20.26 in the 200.
Faith Kipyegon's goals will be the 1500 record of 4:00.13 (Held by Ms Genzebe Dibaba, from 2012!), or the much easier 1 Mile record of 4:25.73.
Mohammed Aman's targets would be the 600 (1:15.79), the 800 (1:44.34), and the 1000 (2:15.92).
Aman turns 21 on January 10th, as does Kipyegon! (Yes, their birthdays are exactly the same!)
Age 20
Ajee Wilson and Jessica Judd might go after the same records.
The 600 mark is 1:26.35, the 800 is a toughie at 1:57.55, but the 1000 is an easy 2:37.89.
Judd turns 20 on January 5th!
If Shaunae Miller runs INdoors, the 200 and 400 records are 22.57 and 50.80!
Hagos Gebrhiwet's targets could be the 1500 and 1 Mile (3:33.08 & 3:55.09), the 3000 and 2 Mile (7:31.66 and 8:11.85), or even the 5000 (13:08.28, set by Lawi Lalang in 2012).
Age 19
Keturah Orji doesn't turn 19 until March 5th, but that mark is about 17 inches further than her PR!!
Trayvon Bromell might go after the 60 mark of 6.50!
Kendell Williams and Dior Hall might feel they're capable of getting the Age 19 mark of 7.88 in the 60H.
Both would need MAJOR improvement to do so, but that's not unheard of at their age!
Williams could also target the Heptahlon record of 4681.
It's just 46 points beyond her 2014 mark!
Age 18
Will Mary Cain return at FULL power, after her relatively poor 2014 OUTdoor season?
She seems to be an INdoor powerhouse, so if she DOES "come back", her record range goes all the way from 800 (2:01.82) to the 1000 (2:43.40, the "amateur" HSR!!), the 1500 (4:03.28), 1 Mile (4:24.10), 2000 (no current record in my book, so whatever she ran would become the record), but the 3000 would be VERY tough, as it's 8:33.56, while the 2 Mile is just 9:34.03.
The 5000 is (currently) beyond her abilities, as it's the 14:53.19 of Tirunesh Dibaba from 2004!!
Raevyn Rogers could challenge Cain for the 800 mark, and maybe even the 1000.
Alexa Efraimson will be running her first TRACK race as a Pro in 2015.
She could also challenge Cain for the 1 Mile record!
She could also get the 2 Mile mark, if Cain doesn't get it.
Elise Cranny will also be 18 during the INdoor season, but she's running Collegiately, so might not get into "open" races!
Raven Saunders may have been matchless as an American High Schooler, but as for the Age 18 SP mark, forget it!!
It's over TEN FEET beyond her current best!
Desiree Freier has a 15-1.25 PV as her necessary mark for an Age 18 record!
Age 17 (and under)
Sydney McLaughlin ran phenomenal times OUTdoors in 2014 as a FOURTEEN year old HS freshman!!
But is she ready to tackle Francena McCorory's Age record of 51.93, which is also the HSR??
The 60H mark might be easier, as it's 8.17.
I don't think she's anywhere near ready for Age records or even HSR's, but last winter, Sophie Cantine ran a 1000 in 2:47.64 on Seattle's Oversize Track as a HS Frosh!
If that had been on a 200 meter track, she would have broken the Frosh Class record, and come within 0.35 of Mary Cain's Soph Class record!!
However, Cain's 2:35.80 from 2014 stands as the untouchable Age 17 mark!
Finally, there's my LISTED Age 17 5000 record of 16:11.85.
I'm almost certain some African has run better at that age, even INdoors, but I haven't found any!
So until I do, both Hannah DeBalsi and Stephanie Jenks have a decent shot at that mark, probably at the NBIN.
Cain's 9:38.68 Two Mile is probably JUST outside their current abilities, although both of them could surprise us!
And that is it, folks!!
Next post will come just after the NCAA XC Championships next Saturday!
It will cover potential CLASS Records, from the 9th grade of HS to the Senior class of Collegians!
And I'm certain it will necessitate just ONE post, not two!!
That will be followed by a double-post entry again, covering who I believe can make it into my DDD Top 24 Performers lists in 2015 (INdoor only, of course!!).
I'll do one each for Men and Women.
And after that, probably in early December, we should have some NEWS to report, either early marks or announcements of who's competing where!!
See you later this week!
2015 INDOOR T&F Preview: AGE Records (Part 1)
My previous post's title--Battle of the Ages--might have been a better title for THIS post, which will look at which Age Records might be challenged in the 2015 INdoor T&F season.
But before I get to that, a bit of news and views from other fronts.
The NCAA Regional races were held a couple of days ago.
All the Big Names made it through.
Shelby Houlihan, Emma Bates, Crystal Nelson, Elise Cranny, Bethan Knights, Leah O'Connor, and a few others on the women's side.
There was a BIG upset in the Men's West Regional, as Maxim Korelev beat heavily favored Ed Cheserek!
The NCAA Championship is in less than 1 week!
The USATF 12K Road Race was held this morning.
Molly Huddle won again, but no record.
Her 38:07 beat Emily Sisson's 38:20 easily. Kim Conley was 3rd in 38:41.
The Men's race had a surprise winner in Brian Schrader, who set a Course Record with his 34:10.
He just beat Diego Estrada's 34:11 and last year's winner Aaron Braun's 34:13
I said earlier that Molly Huddle didn't get a new record.
But Jen Rhines did!
Her 40:30 broke the US record for the distance for 40-and-overs!
Previous best was by Colleen DeReuck in the 2004 Bloomsday 12K, her time having been 40:48.
Two women have turned up pregnant, and will miss the entire 2015 season, Indoors and Out!
Tatyana Lysenko and Tirunesh Dibaba are the 2 mothers-to-be!
Now on to the Age Records for the 2015 INdoor season.
I will present my selections in inverse Age order, from oldest (40 and over) to the youngest (0 to 17).
The only Age I don't have any picks for is Age 39.
I'll group the athletes by Age, not by gender or event.
Note that there is no guarantee these athletes will compete INdoors, nor which events they might choose.
But these people have at least SOME chance to get a particular Age Record.
(Check back at season's end to see how many did it!)
So, here we go!
Age 40
Bernard Lagat has a chance to get SEVEN Age records, if he runs all the distances, and/or is timed enroute!
The records are 2:26.71 (1000), 3:44.12 (1500), 3:58.15 (1 Mile), 8:09.13 (3000), plus the 2000, 2 Mile, and 5000 records, for which I have no records for 40+.
Jo Pavey and Helen Clitheroe have shots at the 3000 (9:02.83), the 2 Mile (Clitheroe has that one, her 9:50.65 from the 2014 season!), and the currently empty slot for the 5000.
Age 39
None.
Age 38
Kim Collins can get Linford Christie's 1999 mark of 6.57 in the 60.
If he ran the 200, he'd have that one, as there's currently no record.
Age 37
Reese Hoffa has a clear field, as I have no Age 37 SP mark!
(Adam Nelson has the Age 36 mark of 69-10.50, while the Age 38 mark is just 64-10.25, so anything Hoffa throws will be a good record!)
Age 36
Chris Brown holds 4 INdoor 400 Age records (31, 33, 34, and 35).
If he runs just 1 race, he'll fill the empty Age 36 slot!
AG Kruger now holds SIX Age records for the WT (28, 29, 31, 32, 34 & 35).
Age 36 might be tough, as Lance Deal threw 79-5.25 in 1998!
Can Angelo Taylor challenge Chris Brown for the 400 record?
Age 35
How old is Darvis Patton?
My FAST Annual has his birthdate as December 4, 1979.
My Athletics Annual has it as December 4, 1977!
Carmelita Jeter would need a 7.02 to just tie Merlene Ottey's 7.02 from 1996.
The 200 slot is empty for Age 35, so if she runs it, she has the record!
Ruth Beitia got the Age 34 HJ record in 2014. with her 6-6.25.
It would take only a 6-5 to nab the Age 35 mark!
Age 34
The Age 34 PV slot is open for Svetlana Feofanova to take it.
Ryan Wilson would have to run 7.47 to beat Colin Jackson's 7.48 60H record from 2002.
Dylan Armstrong will have to throw the SP 71-4.50 to beat Reese Hoffa's 2012 mark of 71-4.25.
It was just announced that Susanna Kallur is coming back at a February meet in Europe!
Don't have the meet's date, but she turns 34 on February 16.
Her target 60H mark is a 7.88.
Age 33
Jenn Suhr (She turns 33 on February 5!), Anna Rogowska, and Fabiana Murer will try to top Stacy Dragila's 14-11 from 2005.
(Murer doesn't turn 34 until March 16th!)
Amber Campbell holds EIGHT Weight Throw Age records (23, then 26-32!).
The Age 33 slot is empty.
Make it NINE, Amber!!
Maggie Vessey's best chance for an Age Record would be in the 1000, but she'd need to run an AR 2:32.95 to get it!!
The 800 mark is in the 1:57's.
Treniere Moser's best shot would be the 5000 mark of 15:25.02.
Or to challenge Vessey for that 1K record!
Age 32
Veronica Campbell-Brown would need a 6.97 60 to beat Gail Devers's record from 1999.
Lolo Jones would need a 7.87 60H for the record.
Ditto for Kellie Wells!
Anna Chicherova needs to HJ 6-8.25 to tie the Age 32 mark.
Age 31
Meseret Defar's targets are relatively easy.
8:37.91 (3000), 9:38.06 (2 Mile), and 14:54.73 (5000).
Blanka Vlasic and Chaunte Lowe need just HJ 6-5 for the record!
Olga Saladuha needs to TJ 49-3 to just tie the record.
Caterine Ibarguen turns 31 on February 12th!
Nick Symmonds would have to break Johnny Gray's AR of 1:45.00 to get the 800 mark
The 1000's a bit easier, as it's Nate Brannen's 2:16.87 from 2014.
Nick Willis would be chasing relatively easy marks in the 1500 (3:36.76) and 1 Mile (3:55.87).
Add Mo Farah (!!) to the mix, as he's announced he'll run in the London meet!
Not sure which event, but all of the marks from 1500 to the 5000 are easy targets.
Besides the 2 listed above, add the 3000 (7:33.73), 2 Mile (8:17.06), or the 5000 (13:11.13).
Age 30
Shannon Rowbury seems ready to tackle the Age 30 marks in the 1500 (4:03.09), 1 Mile (4:23.00), 2000 (5:40.95), 3000 (8:33.05), 2 Mile (9:52.06 ?!), or the 5000, which is REALLY tough, as it would require a massive AR of 14:39.28!!
Molly Huddle could challenge Rowbury in the 3K-5K range.
Val Adams would need to SP 67-11 to tie the record.
Dawn Harper Nelson would need to run 7.77 in the 60H for the record.
Aleksey Dmitrik needs a HJ of 7-11.25 to just tie Carlos Thranhardt's 1988 record!
I'm going to continue this preview in a new post, as the introductory material made this longer than I wanted!
Be ready in the next hour or so!
But before I get to that, a bit of news and views from other fronts.
The NCAA Regional races were held a couple of days ago.
All the Big Names made it through.
Shelby Houlihan, Emma Bates, Crystal Nelson, Elise Cranny, Bethan Knights, Leah O'Connor, and a few others on the women's side.
There was a BIG upset in the Men's West Regional, as Maxim Korelev beat heavily favored Ed Cheserek!
The NCAA Championship is in less than 1 week!
The USATF 12K Road Race was held this morning.
Molly Huddle won again, but no record.
Her 38:07 beat Emily Sisson's 38:20 easily. Kim Conley was 3rd in 38:41.
The Men's race had a surprise winner in Brian Schrader, who set a Course Record with his 34:10.
He just beat Diego Estrada's 34:11 and last year's winner Aaron Braun's 34:13
I said earlier that Molly Huddle didn't get a new record.
But Jen Rhines did!
Her 40:30 broke the US record for the distance for 40-and-overs!
Previous best was by Colleen DeReuck in the 2004 Bloomsday 12K, her time having been 40:48.
Two women have turned up pregnant, and will miss the entire 2015 season, Indoors and Out!
Tatyana Lysenko and Tirunesh Dibaba are the 2 mothers-to-be!
Now on to the Age Records for the 2015 INdoor season.
I will present my selections in inverse Age order, from oldest (40 and over) to the youngest (0 to 17).
The only Age I don't have any picks for is Age 39.
I'll group the athletes by Age, not by gender or event.
Note that there is no guarantee these athletes will compete INdoors, nor which events they might choose.
But these people have at least SOME chance to get a particular Age Record.
(Check back at season's end to see how many did it!)
So, here we go!
Age 40
Bernard Lagat has a chance to get SEVEN Age records, if he runs all the distances, and/or is timed enroute!
The records are 2:26.71 (1000), 3:44.12 (1500), 3:58.15 (1 Mile), 8:09.13 (3000), plus the 2000, 2 Mile, and 5000 records, for which I have no records for 40+.
Jo Pavey and Helen Clitheroe have shots at the 3000 (9:02.83), the 2 Mile (Clitheroe has that one, her 9:50.65 from the 2014 season!), and the currently empty slot for the 5000.
Age 39
None.
Age 38
Kim Collins can get Linford Christie's 1999 mark of 6.57 in the 60.
If he ran the 200, he'd have that one, as there's currently no record.
Age 37
Reese Hoffa has a clear field, as I have no Age 37 SP mark!
(Adam Nelson has the Age 36 mark of 69-10.50, while the Age 38 mark is just 64-10.25, so anything Hoffa throws will be a good record!)
Age 36
Chris Brown holds 4 INdoor 400 Age records (31, 33, 34, and 35).
If he runs just 1 race, he'll fill the empty Age 36 slot!
AG Kruger now holds SIX Age records for the WT (28, 29, 31, 32, 34 & 35).
Age 36 might be tough, as Lance Deal threw 79-5.25 in 1998!
Can Angelo Taylor challenge Chris Brown for the 400 record?
Age 35
How old is Darvis Patton?
My FAST Annual has his birthdate as December 4, 1979.
My Athletics Annual has it as December 4, 1977!
Carmelita Jeter would need a 7.02 to just tie Merlene Ottey's 7.02 from 1996.
The 200 slot is empty for Age 35, so if she runs it, she has the record!
Ruth Beitia got the Age 34 HJ record in 2014. with her 6-6.25.
It would take only a 6-5 to nab the Age 35 mark!
Age 34
The Age 34 PV slot is open for Svetlana Feofanova to take it.
Ryan Wilson would have to run 7.47 to beat Colin Jackson's 7.48 60H record from 2002.
Dylan Armstrong will have to throw the SP 71-4.50 to beat Reese Hoffa's 2012 mark of 71-4.25.
It was just announced that Susanna Kallur is coming back at a February meet in Europe!
Don't have the meet's date, but she turns 34 on February 16.
Her target 60H mark is a 7.88.
Age 33
Jenn Suhr (She turns 33 on February 5!), Anna Rogowska, and Fabiana Murer will try to top Stacy Dragila's 14-11 from 2005.
(Murer doesn't turn 34 until March 16th!)
Amber Campbell holds EIGHT Weight Throw Age records (23, then 26-32!).
The Age 33 slot is empty.
Make it NINE, Amber!!
Maggie Vessey's best chance for an Age Record would be in the 1000, but she'd need to run an AR 2:32.95 to get it!!
The 800 mark is in the 1:57's.
Treniere Moser's best shot would be the 5000 mark of 15:25.02.
Or to challenge Vessey for that 1K record!
Age 32
Veronica Campbell-Brown would need a 6.97 60 to beat Gail Devers's record from 1999.
Lolo Jones would need a 7.87 60H for the record.
Ditto for Kellie Wells!
Anna Chicherova needs to HJ 6-8.25 to tie the Age 32 mark.
Age 31
Meseret Defar's targets are relatively easy.
8:37.91 (3000), 9:38.06 (2 Mile), and 14:54.73 (5000).
Blanka Vlasic and Chaunte Lowe need just HJ 6-5 for the record!
Olga Saladuha needs to TJ 49-3 to just tie the record.
Caterine Ibarguen turns 31 on February 12th!
Nick Symmonds would have to break Johnny Gray's AR of 1:45.00 to get the 800 mark
The 1000's a bit easier, as it's Nate Brannen's 2:16.87 from 2014.
Nick Willis would be chasing relatively easy marks in the 1500 (3:36.76) and 1 Mile (3:55.87).
Add Mo Farah (!!) to the mix, as he's announced he'll run in the London meet!
Not sure which event, but all of the marks from 1500 to the 5000 are easy targets.
Besides the 2 listed above, add the 3000 (7:33.73), 2 Mile (8:17.06), or the 5000 (13:11.13).
Age 30
Shannon Rowbury seems ready to tackle the Age 30 marks in the 1500 (4:03.09), 1 Mile (4:23.00), 2000 (5:40.95), 3000 (8:33.05), 2 Mile (9:52.06 ?!), or the 5000, which is REALLY tough, as it would require a massive AR of 14:39.28!!
Molly Huddle could challenge Rowbury in the 3K-5K range.
Val Adams would need to SP 67-11 to tie the record.
Dawn Harper Nelson would need to run 7.77 in the 60H for the record.
Aleksey Dmitrik needs a HJ of 7-11.25 to just tie Carlos Thranhardt's 1988 record!
I'm going to continue this preview in a new post, as the introductory material made this longer than I wanted!
Be ready in the next hour or so!
Sunday, November 2, 2014
Battles of the Ages
Today's New York City Marathon proved one thing.
You can't discount experience.
Nor can you set limits on what age is the oldest where you're still competitive.
They didn't win, nor did they run as fast as they'd hoped.
(Nobody did, with winds of 25 MPH testing the troops!)
But 41 year old Deena Kastor, 39 year old Meb Keflezighi, and 36 year old Kara Goucher all ran tough gritty races in the horrific conditions.
The winning times of Wilson Kipsang and Mary Keitany were slow, relatively speaking.
Pre-race talk (before the weather reports came out!) were all about breaking the Course Records.
But that was blown out the door (pardon!! LOL) race morning!
In fact, winds were so strong that the Wheelchair racers, including multiple champion Tatyana McFadden, were forced to start their race on the Brooklyn end of the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, thus cutting their race distance down to 23.2 miles!!
Nonetheless, I have some incredible Marathon news to report of a much happier nature!!
And this news gave me my title for this post!
For in the Indianapolis Monumental Marathon, run the day before NYC, the other end of the age spectrum produced an incredible record-breaking performance.
Alana Hadley, a 17 year old 11th grade HS student, ran the race in 2:38:37.
And she WON it!!
And the Course Record she broke was held by Olympian Colleen De Reuck, who'd set it (2:39:22) at Age 49 at last year's edition of the race!
(With Alana setting her old PR of 2:41:55 in 2nd!!)
Hadley's time is NOT a HSR.
That's held by Cathy Schiro O'Brien, with her 2:34:24 from 1984.
But there's another reason it's not a HSR.
Hadley turned Professional last year!
And Pro's aren't eligible for HS records or lists!
(See my post of September 21st for my explanation!)
Another High School Pro had a good day on Saturday!
Alexa Efraimson ran a 5000 meter Cross Country race in Portland, and beat back some Oregon Track Club Pro's, her winning margin being 23 seconds!!
(Note: The distance was longer than 5000, due to a wrong turn----that everyone took!---so her time means nothing! The added distance might be as long as 500 meters! Details in a future post, if they become available!)
And this gives me a chance to comment on this recent change.
Eleven years ago, Allyson Felix decided to turn Pro immediately upon graduating from HS.
She would never run Collegiately!
Then, Ajee Wilson did the same early in 2012.
In the early fall of 2013, Mary Cain followed suit, except that she didn't wait for graduation!
Mary went Pro just as she was beginning her Senior year of HS!!
Also in 2013, Alana Hadley went Pro!
In her case, she'd already decided against competing for her HS, as her focus was on much longer distances than HS'ers run!
(Although, as a Frosh in 2012, Alana ran a track 10000 in 34:59.38, which still ranks her 9th A-T HS, and remains the Frosh Class record!!)
Finally, Alexa Efraimson essentially followed Cain's path to the Professional ranks!
She signed her contract before her Senior year at Camas WA HS began!
Is this the end?
Or the first hints of a trend?
Notice that all of the HS'ers who went Pro, either before they entered college, or while still in HS, are women!
That opens the question of who from the past might have gone Pro in similar fashion to the above group.
Gerry Lindgren and Jim Ryun from the 60's?
Steve Prefontaine?
Michael Carter?
Mary Decker?
Suzy Favor?
Lynn Jennings?
One of the Crousers?
And who might yet make that choice among those still doing their teenage trekking through the muck and mire of HS Hell??
(Sorry for getting carried away! Blame my 49 years of being a writer! LOL)
I'll make a few guesses.
Based on how they do in the upcoming T&F season (both Indoors and Outdoors), I could see such athletes as....
Hannah DeBalsi
Stephanie Jenks (based on her Track exploits, as well as her Triathlon accomplishments & goals)
Kaylin Whitney
all going Pro!
In fact, I'm a bit surprised that Sarah Baxter, Desiree Freier, Trentavis Friday, Trayvon Bromell, Elise Cranny, or Ed Cheserek haven't gone Pro yet!
The victories of Hadley and Efraimson yesterday perhaps might influence other talented HS'ers to make that choice.
Of course, the story of Mary Cain, with all her HSR's and famous (INfamous??) coach and charming personality, has set an example of how to do this successfully.
But future HS'ers should keep in mind that there's only one Mary Cain, no matter how many follow her, or how successful they are!
I'm happy I made the decision to open up a new category of records for High Schoolers, that being the HS Pro.
It will be interesting to see if Ms Efraimson can break any of Cain's HS Pro records from her 2014 season!
And I hope Alana runs a 5000 and a 10000 (and whatever other distances she chooses!) on the track before she graduates, thus setting HSR's in the HS Pro division at those distances.
(Efraimson might take a shot at the 5000 in 2015!)
Speaking of HS wunderkinds (as well as recent former HS greats), there's a few tales of woe to report.
Wesley Frazier finished her HS career by tripling at 2013's NBN in 4:39, 10:12, and 15:55.
Everyone was predicting she'd be an instant star at Duke.
But injury and illness have intervened.
She's come nowhere near her HS accomplishments, and she's now a Duke soph!
Sarah Baxter might have lost that fabulous NXN race last year (to Efraimson and Cranny), but she was still considered a major prospect for stardom in the uniform of the Oregon Ducks.
She hasn't even run one race yet this fall!!
(Injury?)
Erin Finn isn't exactly a tale of woe!
After a fantastic HS career ended in 2013, she went on to run the 5000 in 15:26.08 Outdoors this past season, and won a double at the Big 10 meet, and performed well at the NCAA's.
This fall, she began as not only the star of her Michigan team, but a strong contender for the NCAA's.
This morning, however, I found out through Twitter that she's injured, and will miss the NCAA Championship, just 20 days away!
Another injured former HS great is Aisling Cuffe, out for the season at Stanford.
One thing's for sure!
The battle of the ages continues, with all of the examples noted above, "old" and young!
My T&F Record Book MIGHT be greatly affected by a MAJOR drug bust reported a couple of days ago!
Rita Jeptoo, the 33 year old Kenyan Marathon great, was busted for the use of a performance enhancing drug!
She hasn't been banned yet, but indications are that she will be.
The World Marathon Majors Awards gala, set for today, was postponed, pending the outcome of Jeptoo's case!
(She'd been expected to win the $500,000 prize!!)
She's currently 4th on the World A-T list with her 2:18:57 from this year's Boston race.
(Remember, I consider Boston times as eligible for records and lists!)
She's also the Age 33 record holder for that same time!
She could lose both!!
I'll end with a bit of good news from the Marathon front.
Mark Kiptoo ran the Marathon in 2:06:49 recently.
This is the Age 38 record!
It broke the venerable Carlos Lopes's mark of 2:07:12 from 1985!
Except for my World and US Athletes of the Year posts, coming December 31st, this is my final OUTdoor blog from 2014!
Beginning next week (No date set!), I'll open up the 2015 INdoor season with a series of posts.
I'll look at some Age records which might go down.
I'll also look at Class records, as well as who might make it onto my DDD (Top 24 Performers) lists in the next few months undercover.
All this, and as they say, much more!!
See you soon, super excited for the return of INdoor Track and Field!
You can't discount experience.
Nor can you set limits on what age is the oldest where you're still competitive.
They didn't win, nor did they run as fast as they'd hoped.
(Nobody did, with winds of 25 MPH testing the troops!)
But 41 year old Deena Kastor, 39 year old Meb Keflezighi, and 36 year old Kara Goucher all ran tough gritty races in the horrific conditions.
The winning times of Wilson Kipsang and Mary Keitany were slow, relatively speaking.
Pre-race talk (before the weather reports came out!) were all about breaking the Course Records.
But that was blown out the door (pardon!! LOL) race morning!
In fact, winds were so strong that the Wheelchair racers, including multiple champion Tatyana McFadden, were forced to start their race on the Brooklyn end of the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, thus cutting their race distance down to 23.2 miles!!
Nonetheless, I have some incredible Marathon news to report of a much happier nature!!
And this news gave me my title for this post!
For in the Indianapolis Monumental Marathon, run the day before NYC, the other end of the age spectrum produced an incredible record-breaking performance.
Alana Hadley, a 17 year old 11th grade HS student, ran the race in 2:38:37.
And she WON it!!
And the Course Record she broke was held by Olympian Colleen De Reuck, who'd set it (2:39:22) at Age 49 at last year's edition of the race!
(With Alana setting her old PR of 2:41:55 in 2nd!!)
Hadley's time is NOT a HSR.
That's held by Cathy Schiro O'Brien, with her 2:34:24 from 1984.
But there's another reason it's not a HSR.
Hadley turned Professional last year!
And Pro's aren't eligible for HS records or lists!
(See my post of September 21st for my explanation!)
Another High School Pro had a good day on Saturday!
Alexa Efraimson ran a 5000 meter Cross Country race in Portland, and beat back some Oregon Track Club Pro's, her winning margin being 23 seconds!!
(Note: The distance was longer than 5000, due to a wrong turn----that everyone took!---so her time means nothing! The added distance might be as long as 500 meters! Details in a future post, if they become available!)
And this gives me a chance to comment on this recent change.
Eleven years ago, Allyson Felix decided to turn Pro immediately upon graduating from HS.
She would never run Collegiately!
Then, Ajee Wilson did the same early in 2012.
In the early fall of 2013, Mary Cain followed suit, except that she didn't wait for graduation!
Mary went Pro just as she was beginning her Senior year of HS!!
Also in 2013, Alana Hadley went Pro!
In her case, she'd already decided against competing for her HS, as her focus was on much longer distances than HS'ers run!
(Although, as a Frosh in 2012, Alana ran a track 10000 in 34:59.38, which still ranks her 9th A-T HS, and remains the Frosh Class record!!)
Finally, Alexa Efraimson essentially followed Cain's path to the Professional ranks!
She signed her contract before her Senior year at Camas WA HS began!
Is this the end?
Or the first hints of a trend?
Notice that all of the HS'ers who went Pro, either before they entered college, or while still in HS, are women!
That opens the question of who from the past might have gone Pro in similar fashion to the above group.
Gerry Lindgren and Jim Ryun from the 60's?
Steve Prefontaine?
Michael Carter?
Mary Decker?
Suzy Favor?
Lynn Jennings?
One of the Crousers?
And who might yet make that choice among those still doing their teenage trekking through the muck and mire of HS Hell??
(Sorry for getting carried away! Blame my 49 years of being a writer! LOL)
I'll make a few guesses.
Based on how they do in the upcoming T&F season (both Indoors and Outdoors), I could see such athletes as....
Hannah DeBalsi
Stephanie Jenks (based on her Track exploits, as well as her Triathlon accomplishments & goals)
Kaylin Whitney
all going Pro!
In fact, I'm a bit surprised that Sarah Baxter, Desiree Freier, Trentavis Friday, Trayvon Bromell, Elise Cranny, or Ed Cheserek haven't gone Pro yet!
The victories of Hadley and Efraimson yesterday perhaps might influence other talented HS'ers to make that choice.
Of course, the story of Mary Cain, with all her HSR's and famous (INfamous??) coach and charming personality, has set an example of how to do this successfully.
But future HS'ers should keep in mind that there's only one Mary Cain, no matter how many follow her, or how successful they are!
I'm happy I made the decision to open up a new category of records for High Schoolers, that being the HS Pro.
It will be interesting to see if Ms Efraimson can break any of Cain's HS Pro records from her 2014 season!
And I hope Alana runs a 5000 and a 10000 (and whatever other distances she chooses!) on the track before she graduates, thus setting HSR's in the HS Pro division at those distances.
(Efraimson might take a shot at the 5000 in 2015!)
Speaking of HS wunderkinds (as well as recent former HS greats), there's a few tales of woe to report.
Wesley Frazier finished her HS career by tripling at 2013's NBN in 4:39, 10:12, and 15:55.
Everyone was predicting she'd be an instant star at Duke.
But injury and illness have intervened.
She's come nowhere near her HS accomplishments, and she's now a Duke soph!
Sarah Baxter might have lost that fabulous NXN race last year (to Efraimson and Cranny), but she was still considered a major prospect for stardom in the uniform of the Oregon Ducks.
She hasn't even run one race yet this fall!!
(Injury?)
Erin Finn isn't exactly a tale of woe!
After a fantastic HS career ended in 2013, she went on to run the 5000 in 15:26.08 Outdoors this past season, and won a double at the Big 10 meet, and performed well at the NCAA's.
This fall, she began as not only the star of her Michigan team, but a strong contender for the NCAA's.
This morning, however, I found out through Twitter that she's injured, and will miss the NCAA Championship, just 20 days away!
Another injured former HS great is Aisling Cuffe, out for the season at Stanford.
One thing's for sure!
The battle of the ages continues, with all of the examples noted above, "old" and young!
My T&F Record Book MIGHT be greatly affected by a MAJOR drug bust reported a couple of days ago!
Rita Jeptoo, the 33 year old Kenyan Marathon great, was busted for the use of a performance enhancing drug!
She hasn't been banned yet, but indications are that she will be.
The World Marathon Majors Awards gala, set for today, was postponed, pending the outcome of Jeptoo's case!
(She'd been expected to win the $500,000 prize!!)
She's currently 4th on the World A-T list with her 2:18:57 from this year's Boston race.
(Remember, I consider Boston times as eligible for records and lists!)
She's also the Age 33 record holder for that same time!
She could lose both!!
I'll end with a bit of good news from the Marathon front.
Mark Kiptoo ran the Marathon in 2:06:49 recently.
This is the Age 38 record!
It broke the venerable Carlos Lopes's mark of 2:07:12 from 1985!
Except for my World and US Athletes of the Year posts, coming December 31st, this is my final OUTdoor blog from 2014!
Beginning next week (No date set!), I'll open up the 2015 INdoor season with a series of posts.
I'll look at some Age records which might go down.
I'll also look at Class records, as well as who might make it onto my DDD (Top 24 Performers) lists in the next few months undercover.
All this, and as they say, much more!!
See you soon, super excited for the return of INdoor Track and Field!
Friday, October 17, 2014
Ins & Outs of Track & Field
Seen the IAAF's list of their AOY finalists?
They include Renaud Lavillenie and Genzebe Dibaba.
Why?
We all know what happened last INdoor season.
Genzebe shattered THREE World Indoor records by massive margins!
And Renaud eliminated a certain Mr Bubka from the list of INdoor WR holders!
So both were well deserving of being named INdoor AOY!
(See my INdoor wrap-up post from March 19th!)
Why do I so strongly disagree with the IAAF's list?
Simple.
It's because INdoor T&F is not OUTdoor T&F....and vice versa!
They are two completely separate seasons.
Following is how I view this separation.
Track and Field News has lists on their website.
During INdoor season (until around mid-March), they include just INdoor marks.
After that point, study their lists.
You will begin to see OUTdoor marks, as it should happen.
But you will ALSO see many INdoor marks, if they qualify for T&FN's Top 40 lists!
And if an athlete's INdoor mark is better than their OUTdoor mark?
Well, look at Lavillenie & Dibaba.
Renaud PV'ed that incredible 20-2.50 INdoors.
His best OUTdoors was around 19-9.
Why am I estimating his OUTdoor mark?
Because when I looked at T&FN's "comprehensive" list, all I saw ALL YEAR was his 20-2.50!!
Same for Ms Dibaba's 8:16.60 in the 3000.
Incredible time!!
But that mark was all I saw ALL YEAR on T&FN's lists!!
I THINK she ran around 8:26 OUTdoors. Or was it 8:24?
I would have no idea if I depended on the lists from T&FN!!
The sport of T&F is a TWO-SEASON sport!!
(Actually FOUR, if you consider Cross Country and Road Racing as separate seasons also!!)
As such, all record-keeping and list-making should use that TWO-SEASON theme in their creation!
Otherwise, the general fan (and even some more sophisticated followers of our sport!) will be confused as to whom did what when!
Here are some reasons why I totally separate the seasons of Indoor and Outdoor Track and Field.
Different Venues
INdoors has a ROOF and 4 WALLS enclosing its stadia or arenas.
OUTdoors is open to the elements of Mother Nature.
Different Events
There are no 60's or 60H's OUTdoors.
Nor is there a Weight Throw.
And there is rarely (so as to be non-existent!) a 10000 Meter run INdoors.
Nor are there Steeples with water pits.
Nor are there Marathons, Half-Marathons, or any races over 5000 Meters! (Except the rarely run 4X1500/Mile Relays!)
And how about all the Field events NOT held INdoors?
The Javelin, Hammer, and the Discus!
(And the Multis aren't the same either!)
Different Weather Conditions
As noted earlier, INdoors doesn't have to deal with whatever weather is happening outside its enclosed space.
OUTdoors is always affected by wind, temperature, humidity, etc.
Different Track Sizes
Notwithstanding the Oversize Tracks of some INdoor venues, all INdoor records and lists are created from marks made on 200 Meter tracks.
OUTdoors, all regulation tracks are 400 Meters around.
With all of the above taken into consideration, how can ANYONE see the TWO seasons as ONE?
How can you measure the value of a 28-0 LJ with NO wind against one with wind as a negative or positive factor?
How can you compare a 5000 run with a 25-lap count against a 5000 necessitating only 12.5 laps?
(Most of us think of a 25-lapper as a TEN Thousand Meters race!!)
Let's look as those "comprehensive" lists of T&FN again.
Dibaba ran that spectacular 8:16.60 INdoors.
Yet OUTdoors she couldn't come within 8 or 10 (!!) seconds of that time!
So, say on June 30, you decided to see what she'd run at that distance OUTdoors!
And you looked at T&FN's list.
All you would see was that same 8:16.60 listed!!
Same on July 31.
Ditto on September 30!
And today too!!
WHAT did she run OUTdoors??
I dunno!!!
(Give me a few minutes to look it up. I have it in MY BLOG!!)
And there you have one of the most important reasons why I started this blog!
Because I firmly believe that INdoor Track and Field is as different and separate from OUTdoor Track and Field as, well, night and day.
Or pick any cliche'd analogy you want!!
They are NOT THE SAME!!
And thus, they deserve to be kept separate!
As they have been, are, and always will be....in my blog!!
If you think Renaud Lavillenie's fabulous 20-2.50 deserves to be considered for the IAAF's (or, later, for T&FN's) AOY, then you do NOT agree with me!!
Same for Ms Dibaba's 3-WR's from the INdoor season!
When, on December 31st, I name my OUTdoor (World) AOY's, you can bet that those INdoor WR's will NOT be considered by me!!
Not for a second!!
And when you read my blog during the upcoming INdoor season, you can also bet that you will find ONLY INdoor marks in my reports!
(Unless some OUTdoor marks come in from Down Under OUTdoor meets!! LOL)
In closing, let me honor Mr Jack Shepard, the long-time Editor of High School Track, a fantastic record book published every year.
He completely separates the seasons!
He has OUTdoor records and lists.
Then he has INdoor records and lists!
They are NOT combined!!
And neither are mine!!
Next post will probably be soon after the NYC Marathon.
Following that, look for a series of posts looking forward to the 2014-2015 INdoor T&F season!!
They include Renaud Lavillenie and Genzebe Dibaba.
Why?
We all know what happened last INdoor season.
Genzebe shattered THREE World Indoor records by massive margins!
And Renaud eliminated a certain Mr Bubka from the list of INdoor WR holders!
So both were well deserving of being named INdoor AOY!
(See my INdoor wrap-up post from March 19th!)
Why do I so strongly disagree with the IAAF's list?
Simple.
It's because INdoor T&F is not OUTdoor T&F....and vice versa!
They are two completely separate seasons.
Following is how I view this separation.
Track and Field News has lists on their website.
During INdoor season (until around mid-March), they include just INdoor marks.
After that point, study their lists.
You will begin to see OUTdoor marks, as it should happen.
But you will ALSO see many INdoor marks, if they qualify for T&FN's Top 40 lists!
And if an athlete's INdoor mark is better than their OUTdoor mark?
Well, look at Lavillenie & Dibaba.
Renaud PV'ed that incredible 20-2.50 INdoors.
His best OUTdoors was around 19-9.
Why am I estimating his OUTdoor mark?
Because when I looked at T&FN's "comprehensive" list, all I saw ALL YEAR was his 20-2.50!!
Same for Ms Dibaba's 8:16.60 in the 3000.
Incredible time!!
But that mark was all I saw ALL YEAR on T&FN's lists!!
I THINK she ran around 8:26 OUTdoors. Or was it 8:24?
I would have no idea if I depended on the lists from T&FN!!
The sport of T&F is a TWO-SEASON sport!!
(Actually FOUR, if you consider Cross Country and Road Racing as separate seasons also!!)
As such, all record-keeping and list-making should use that TWO-SEASON theme in their creation!
Otherwise, the general fan (and even some more sophisticated followers of our sport!) will be confused as to whom did what when!
Here are some reasons why I totally separate the seasons of Indoor and Outdoor Track and Field.
Different Venues
INdoors has a ROOF and 4 WALLS enclosing its stadia or arenas.
OUTdoors is open to the elements of Mother Nature.
Different Events
There are no 60's or 60H's OUTdoors.
Nor is there a Weight Throw.
And there is rarely (so as to be non-existent!) a 10000 Meter run INdoors.
Nor are there Steeples with water pits.
Nor are there Marathons, Half-Marathons, or any races over 5000 Meters! (Except the rarely run 4X1500/Mile Relays!)
And how about all the Field events NOT held INdoors?
The Javelin, Hammer, and the Discus!
(And the Multis aren't the same either!)
Different Weather Conditions
As noted earlier, INdoors doesn't have to deal with whatever weather is happening outside its enclosed space.
OUTdoors is always affected by wind, temperature, humidity, etc.
Different Track Sizes
Notwithstanding the Oversize Tracks of some INdoor venues, all INdoor records and lists are created from marks made on 200 Meter tracks.
OUTdoors, all regulation tracks are 400 Meters around.
With all of the above taken into consideration, how can ANYONE see the TWO seasons as ONE?
How can you measure the value of a 28-0 LJ with NO wind against one with wind as a negative or positive factor?
How can you compare a 5000 run with a 25-lap count against a 5000 necessitating only 12.5 laps?
(Most of us think of a 25-lapper as a TEN Thousand Meters race!!)
Let's look as those "comprehensive" lists of T&FN again.
Dibaba ran that spectacular 8:16.60 INdoors.
Yet OUTdoors she couldn't come within 8 or 10 (!!) seconds of that time!
So, say on June 30, you decided to see what she'd run at that distance OUTdoors!
And you looked at T&FN's list.
All you would see was that same 8:16.60 listed!!
Same on July 31.
Ditto on September 30!
And today too!!
WHAT did she run OUTdoors??
I dunno!!!
(Give me a few minutes to look it up. I have it in MY BLOG!!)
And there you have one of the most important reasons why I started this blog!
Because I firmly believe that INdoor Track and Field is as different and separate from OUTdoor Track and Field as, well, night and day.
Or pick any cliche'd analogy you want!!
They are NOT THE SAME!!
And thus, they deserve to be kept separate!
As they have been, are, and always will be....in my blog!!
If you think Renaud Lavillenie's fabulous 20-2.50 deserves to be considered for the IAAF's (or, later, for T&FN's) AOY, then you do NOT agree with me!!
Same for Ms Dibaba's 3-WR's from the INdoor season!
When, on December 31st, I name my OUTdoor (World) AOY's, you can bet that those INdoor WR's will NOT be considered by me!!
Not for a second!!
And when you read my blog during the upcoming INdoor season, you can also bet that you will find ONLY INdoor marks in my reports!
(Unless some OUTdoor marks come in from Down Under OUTdoor meets!! LOL)
In closing, let me honor Mr Jack Shepard, the long-time Editor of High School Track, a fantastic record book published every year.
He completely separates the seasons!
He has OUTdoor records and lists.
Then he has INdoor records and lists!
They are NOT combined!!
And neither are mine!!
Next post will probably be soon after the NYC Marathon.
Following that, look for a series of posts looking forward to the 2014-2015 INdoor T&F season!!
Sunday, October 12, 2014
In the Interim--Part 1
While Cross Country is a legitimate season (and sport!), it just doesn't fit the parameters of this blog---lists of records and marks.
One can make the case for lists of best times on XYZ courses, but that's just not the same as records made on standardized tracks and fields.
Thus I'm calling these months (October and November) the "interim" (between outdoor and indoor track and field)!
But there have been a few marks worth reporting.
Today's Chicago Marathon offered a few....a very few!!
So did the Asian Games.
The Chicago race was somewhat odd, in that the pacing was bad, yet good times were run.
The first two miles were supposedly 4:34 and 4:53!
But in the end, they settled in to the 4:42 to 4:50 range.
That is, until Eliud Kipchoge decided to show why fast 5K and 10K guys can win marathons....easily!
His 2:04:11 didn't break any records (Not even his own!), but it won the race!
In 2nd was Sammy Kitwara in 2:04:28.
It makes him 12th A-T World!
And it's the new Age 27 record!
Dickson Chumba's 2:04:32 is the new best-ever 3rd place record!
It also rates him 13th A-T World, tied with one other.
Amy Hastings led the slow Women's race for awhile, but inevitably faded.
She wound up with a time that TIED her PR of 2:27:03!!
So she remains as 9th A-T US!
I must make note-----call it Hometown Pride!!----of the great improvement made by Sarah (Porter) Crouch.
She starred for years at Western Washington University here in Bellingham (as Sarah Porter), running in the mid-15:30's and 32:30's for 5K and 10K.
She's now a Pro, and just turned 25 in August.
In an interview, she said she'd run her 1st marathon in a small race when 19 years old.
Her time----she thinks!!----was 3:00:10.
Next 26.2 was the NYC race in 2011, where she ran 2:44:25.
Today?
She cut 11:41 from her PR, her time being 2:32:44!
She was 3rd American in Chicago!!
In the Gulf Coast Marathon in Australia, Jeff Eggleston ran a solid 2:10:52 (Faster than Bobby Curtis ran in Chicago as best American there!).
His time misses my DDD list by just 23 seconds!
The Asian Games produced 3 decent marks.
Fermi Ogunode sprinted the 100 in 9.93 for the National Record of Qatar.
The 4X100 Relay team of China ran 37.99 for their National Record.
They moved from 20th A-T World to 9th best team!
And Oinggong Zhao threw the Javelin 292-6 for the China National Record.
He's now 14th A-T World, tied with 1 other.
For the record, Molly Huddle ran 1:09:23 in today's Boston AAA Half.
It took 3rd, but wasn't a PR.
Right behind Huddle was Half-rookie Betsy Saina in 1:09:27!
Also, Lisa Uhl ran 2:40:51 in Chicago.
That was her first marathon, and was run off a short training cycle!
A little bit of "news" from the Indoor Track and Field corner.
Raven Saunders announced that her first meet as a Collegian will be the 1st week of December.
Penn State announced their Indoor schedule.
It includes TEN meets, the first on December 13th.
(Remember that both the Men's and Women's 4X200 Relay teams broke Collegiate Records on their home track the past two years!)
Next post will probably be after the New York City Marathon!
One can make the case for lists of best times on XYZ courses, but that's just not the same as records made on standardized tracks and fields.
Thus I'm calling these months (October and November) the "interim" (between outdoor and indoor track and field)!
But there have been a few marks worth reporting.
Today's Chicago Marathon offered a few....a very few!!
So did the Asian Games.
The Chicago race was somewhat odd, in that the pacing was bad, yet good times were run.
The first two miles were supposedly 4:34 and 4:53!
But in the end, they settled in to the 4:42 to 4:50 range.
That is, until Eliud Kipchoge decided to show why fast 5K and 10K guys can win marathons....easily!
His 2:04:11 didn't break any records (Not even his own!), but it won the race!
In 2nd was Sammy Kitwara in 2:04:28.
It makes him 12th A-T World!
And it's the new Age 27 record!
Dickson Chumba's 2:04:32 is the new best-ever 3rd place record!
It also rates him 13th A-T World, tied with one other.
Amy Hastings led the slow Women's race for awhile, but inevitably faded.
She wound up with a time that TIED her PR of 2:27:03!!
So she remains as 9th A-T US!
I must make note-----call it Hometown Pride!!----of the great improvement made by Sarah (Porter) Crouch.
She starred for years at Western Washington University here in Bellingham (as Sarah Porter), running in the mid-15:30's and 32:30's for 5K and 10K.
She's now a Pro, and just turned 25 in August.
In an interview, she said she'd run her 1st marathon in a small race when 19 years old.
Her time----she thinks!!----was 3:00:10.
Next 26.2 was the NYC race in 2011, where she ran 2:44:25.
Today?
She cut 11:41 from her PR, her time being 2:32:44!
She was 3rd American in Chicago!!
In the Gulf Coast Marathon in Australia, Jeff Eggleston ran a solid 2:10:52 (Faster than Bobby Curtis ran in Chicago as best American there!).
His time misses my DDD list by just 23 seconds!
The Asian Games produced 3 decent marks.
Fermi Ogunode sprinted the 100 in 9.93 for the National Record of Qatar.
The 4X100 Relay team of China ran 37.99 for their National Record.
They moved from 20th A-T World to 9th best team!
And Oinggong Zhao threw the Javelin 292-6 for the China National Record.
He's now 14th A-T World, tied with 1 other.
For the record, Molly Huddle ran 1:09:23 in today's Boston AAA Half.
It took 3rd, but wasn't a PR.
Right behind Huddle was Half-rookie Betsy Saina in 1:09:27!
Also, Lisa Uhl ran 2:40:51 in Chicago.
That was her first marathon, and was run off a short training cycle!
A little bit of "news" from the Indoor Track and Field corner.
Raven Saunders announced that her first meet as a Collegian will be the 1st week of December.
Penn State announced their Indoor schedule.
It includes TEN meets, the first on December 13th.
(Remember that both the Men's and Women's 4X200 Relay teams broke Collegiate Records on their home track the past two years!)
Next post will probably be after the New York City Marathon!
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