As with the Men, my sole "rule" involves OT's--NO Oversize Track marks eligible for Records or Lists!!
See my Men's post for the rest of the intro junk!
World
The 60 WR of 6.92 seems inviolable!
If only more World Leaders would give it a go!
(NOT Presidents or Prime Ministers--just athletes with World Leading marks!! LOL)
For this year, give it 10-90 odds.
The 200 WR of 21.87 gets 20-80 odds.
Forget the 400 mark of 49.59, but give the 35.45 WR for the 300 35-65 odds!
Rare is the World Class 500, but IF there's a RACE, give the 66.31 WR 40-60 odds!
If Ajee Wilson gives it a shot, the 600 WR of 1:23.44 is a goner!
85-15 odds for Ms Wilson!!
But reduce those to 60-40 if Ajee gives the 1:55.82 800 WR a shot!
A lot of these predictions are based on 2 things--A) opportunities, and B) the right athletes trying for a record!
IF Wilson or maybe Melissa Bishop run a 1000 hard, give the WR of 2:30.94 65-35 odds!
Hate to say it, but Genzebe Dibaba may NOT be the prime candidate for WR's in the distances this year!!
Ever hear of Helen Obiri, Faith Kipyegon, Almaz Ayana, or Laura Muir??
Not to mention 1 or 2 Americans!
The 3:55.17 and 4:13.31 for the 1500 & Mile are given 25-75 odds.
G-D's 2K mark of 5:23.75 needs the A & B from above!
Her 8:16.60 is a bit beyond the current crop--even Genzebe!!
But her Two Mile WR of 9:00.48 is worth an enroute 3K of about 8:27!
Give it 75-25 odds---IF!
The 5000 WR of 14:18.86 also needs the A & B from above!
Susan Kallur is NOT the World's best in the Hurdles!
So WHY is her 7.68 WR for 60H still alive??
There are SEVERAL strong candidates to bring that baby DOWN!!
Give it 65-35 odds!
Will the Great Russian get the WR of 6-9.75 in the HJ?
Give Mariya Lasitskene 80-20 odds!
Everyone else gets 20-80 odds!
Both of the Horizontals (24-2.25 & 50-4.75) are safe.
But watch for Yulimar Rojas to lead the charge in the latter!
IF all the "active" 16 footers ARE active (Hello, Demi Payne??), the WR of 16-6 could fall!
Could be another "Year of the Vault"!!
Push the SP mark of 73-10 to AD 3017!!
(And maybe not even then! LOL)
Gwen Berry's WR in the WT--84-0--is from 2017!
Watch it fall again THIS year!!
There is no Euro Champs INdoors this year, and a 5014 WR in the World Championships is unlikely!!
Will Nafi Thiam & KJT be in Birmingham for a showdown?
If so, give that 5013 WR for the Pentathlon 35-65 odds!
As ever, the Relay WR's need the Usual Suspects for Records to happen!
The marks are 1:32.41, 3:23.37, 8:06.24, 3:45.90, and 10:40.31.
The SMR needs a pair of 200's in 24, a 400 of 54, then an 800 in under 2:04!
Easy!!
US
The 60 AR is 6.95.
Give it 10-90 odds!
But the 200 mark is 22.33.
70-30!
Ditto for the 35.71 for the 300, and the 50.46 in the 400!
The 500 mark is 67.34.
Give it 60-40 odds--IF there's a RACE!
See above for the 600 mark--which is 1:23.59 for the USA!
NOTE: I recognize Ajee Wilson's 1:58.27 as the 800 AR, despite USATF's non-ratification!!
And she can break it AGAIN!!
85-15 odds!
And 90-10 odds if she takes on the 1000 AR of 2:34.19!
The 3:59.98 and 4:20.5 for the 1500 & Mile ARE breakable!!
Give each 60-40 odds with all the components in sync!
That 2000 mark of 5:34.52 is ridiculously easy!!
Needs a Mile of about 4:28, with a 66 last 400!
The 3K mark of 8:33.25 is held by the NYC Marathon Champion--Shalane Flanagan!
Both Jenny Simpson and Shannon Rowbury have run faster OUTdoors!
Can they do the same INdoors??
Simpson has the Deuce AR of 9:18.35.
She can cut at least 10 seconds off of that if she wanted to!
Flanagan also holds the 5K AR of 14:47.62!
But most of the fast 5K's are run in December!
The next 31 days will tell!
25-75 odds!
The Marathon mark is 2:44:11.
Lolo Jones, Bobsledder, has the US record in the 60H--7.72.
See my World comments!
The HJ mark of 6-7.50 is safe!
But the LJ mark of 23-8.75 is given 35-65 odds--IF Tianna Bartoletta & Brittney Reese do battle!
The 46-11.75 AR in the TJ is by Keturah Orji!
She's done 48-3.25 OUTdoors!
75-25 odds!
Three of the four active (INdoors) 16 footers in the PV who could be competing in 2018 are Americans!
Nonetheless, give the 16-6 AR just 30-70 odds!
Will Raven Saunders give Michelle Carter a go-round for the 66-3.50 AR in the SP?
Give them 40-60 odds!
Yes, BOTH!!
Ms Berry returns to challenge her own AR (& WR!) in the WT!
Gone!!
Kendell Williams & Erica Bougard are now Professionals!
The AR in the Pentathlon is 4805!
20-80 odds!
The AR's in the Relays are 1:33.24, 3:24.83, 8:28.41, 3:45.90, and 10:40.31.
The 4X800 is the weakest!
Will anyone take a shot??
The Walk AR's are 5:54.31, 6:18.03, and 12:20.79!
Collegiate
Hannah Cunliffe is back (One of the few Oregon Ducks to NOT go Pro early!!), and might challenge her 60 CR of 7.07!
But she'll have to watch her back!
The 22.40 in the 200 SHOULD fall!!
Give both of the above 60-40 odds!
The 300 mark of 35.83 is safe--even if Sydney McLaughlin makes an attempt!
But if she (Or...???) gives the 50.46 in the 400 a go, give it 70-30 odds!
The 500 & 600 CR's are 68.40 & 1:26.56.
Both are vulnerable in the 60-40 range!
Especially with 600 HSR holder (at 1:27.13) Samantha Watson now a Collegian!!
"Sammy" might also challenge the 800 CR of 2:00.69!
Give her--and a few others--40-60 odds!
But, believe it or not, Watson's HSR 1000 time is FASTER than the Collegiate Record of 2:40.79--by 0.07 seconds!!
Give that one 95-5 odds!
The 1500 (4:09.77) and Mile (4:25.91) CR's could go!
The list of candidates is long!
But Jenny (Barringer) Simpson's 3K CR of 8:42.03 is tough!
Give it 15-85 odds!
Karissa Schweizer might break the 5000 CR SOON!!
Like in the first Boston University Mini-Meet this coming weekend!!
It's 15:12.22.
And she has some decent competition!!
Go for it, Ladies!!
The 60H mark of 7.78 gets 40-60 odds.
But the HJ mark of 6-6 is safe!
Not so much the LJ mark of 22-8!
Will one of THREE Georgia Bulldogs get it--Ms Orji, Kate Hall (still the HSR holder!!), or Frosh Tara Davis??
Give them (& others) 20-80 odds!
See above for the TJ record!
The PV mark is Ms Payne's 15-7--which is given a detailed account in the book "18 Months Raising the Bar"--a book I'm halfway through my initial reading!!
Will the newly-married Weeks twins take it down?
Give them (and maybe 5 or 6 others!) 40-60 odds!
Raven Saunders is now a Senior at Ole Miss!
Give her 70-30 odds of taking down her own CR of 64-2.25 in the SP!!
However, the WT mark of 83-10.25 doesn't have any viable candidates!!
And with Ms's Williams & Bougard now gone from the Collegiate ranks, nor does the Pentathlon & its 4703 CR!
The CR's in the Relays are 1:35.65, 3:27.03, 8:25.5, 3:52.25, and 10:48.77.
HS
Lanae Tava Thomas might give the 60 (7.19) and 200 (22.97) a go!
Especially the latter--so give that one 70-30 odds--the 60 just 30-70!
McLaughlin the Juggler is in College now, but Arria Minor (And??) might have a shot at her 400 HSR of 51.61!
But her 36.82 in the 300 is pretty safe!
Samantha Watson has THREE High School Records--the 600 (1:27.13), 800 (2:01.78), and 1000 (2:40.72)
Even though the "distances" are strong, the shorter distances are not!!
Unless one of the longer distance gals moves down!!
So give the 3 above just 15-85 odds!
BTW, the 500 HSR is 70.30!
Give that one 40-60 odds!
And then there are the FOUR HSR's by Mary Cain--now FIVE years old!!
Katelyn Tuohy, Kelsey Chmiel, London Culbreath, Claudia Lane, and maybe a handful of others!!
If THEY go head-to-head--at NBIN or Millrose/Boston--watch out!!
Ms Cain might have ALL of her INdoor HSR's erased!!
(Her INdoor Amateur HSR's, that is! Her HS PRO marks will remain, as there are ZERO HS'ers gone Pro this year!!)
Then there's Brie Oakley's 15:55.75 in the 5000.
I'm giving the NBIN race its EIGHTH consecutive HSR in March!
But by WHOM???
The 60H mark of 8.02 should be safe, but give Tia Jones and others 30-70 odds anyway!
There are no HS High Jumpers anywhere near the HSR of 6-6.25!
0-100!
LTT might also challenge the LJ mark of 21-11.
Give it 35-65 odds!
The TJ mark of 44-6.75 has a couple of good ones--give it 35-65 odds also!
There are no 14 foot PV'ers back this year!
But that may not stop the 14-4 HSR from falling!
Give it 25-75 odds.
However, the best returning SP'er is a couple of feet below the 50 foot barrier!!
ZERO chance of the 57-5.50 HSR falling!
Give the 68-2.50 WT mark 20-80 odds.
Ditto the Pentathlon mark of 4068!
The Relay records are 1:35.86, 3:38.91, 8:53.67, 3:52.68, and 11:34.54.
Then there are the 4X1500 and 4 X Mile records of 18:50.91 and 19:59.24!
With Taylor Ewart evolved another year, give her 70-30 odds to take down the 1500 & Mile Walk HSR's of 6:17.59 and 6:53.44.
Well, friends, that's a wrap on my series of 2018 INdoor season Previews!!
Watch this blog for ALL the results worth noting throughout the entire INdoor season!!
See you soon!
Thursday, November 30, 2017
2018 INdoor Records Predictions--MEN
This--and the following post, featuring the Women--are the last of my series of INdoor Previews for the 2017-2018 T&F INdoor season!
As always, these will be all about my 4 core groups--World, US, Collegiate, and HS.
I will say which Records I feel might be broken, their odds, and maybe a comment or two.
The main "rule" this blog lives by for INdoors is---NO Oversize Track marks accepted!!
This one is for the Men!
World
With Christian Coleman on the rise, the 60 WR of 6.39 just might have a chance!
40-60 odds.
Ditto with the 19.92 WR for the 200 (30-70), and the 300 mark of 31.87.
The latter has WR holder Noah Lyles as its front line attacker.
IF he runs it, 90-10 odds!
I've said it many times, but the 400 WR of 44.57 SHOULD fall, but it never does!
This year has many candidates, including Fred Kerley and Emmanuel Korir!
IF the right people run it, 80-20 odds!!
Same goes for the 500 mark of 59.83.
The 600 went wild last year.
Will it again?
The 1:14.91 WR is given 60-40 odds.
But despite Korir's presence (IF he runs INdoors!), give the 1:42.67 800 WR just 30-70 odds.
Same with the 2:14.20 WR for the single K.
The 1500 (3:31.18) & Mile (3:48.45) WR's CAN be beaten--but won't!
10-90 odds.
The 2K is rarely run, so the WR of 4:49.99 is safe!
The 7:24.90 3K WR is too tough for the jog-and-kick crowd that inhabits the distances nowadays!
And the 2 Mile doesn't see many opportunities--if any!
IF someone like Muktar Edris goes for it, give the 8:03.40 WR 60-40 odds!
The 5000 WR of 12:49.60?
You gotta be kidding!!
BTW, there IS an INdoor WR for the 10000--27:50.29.
With the Marathon being an INdoor event now, why not??
Speaking of which, the latter's WR is 2:21:48!!
NO for the 60H mark of 7.30!
Maybe never!!
I'm giving Mutaz Barshim 65-35 odds to take down the HJ's 7-11.50 WR!
The LJ mark of 28-10.25 WOULD have 40-60 odds--IF Luvo Manyonga competes INdoors!
But South Africans & Down Under athletes have their OUTdoor seasons during the INdoor season, so don't count on it!
Will the Taylor-Claye Act go on tour this INdoor season?
If so, give the TJ mark of 58-9.50 WR 40-60 odds.
The PV's 20-2.50 WR is safe--even from the WR holder himself!!
The SP's 74-4.25 was once thought impossible.
But with the current group of Throwers, give it 30-70 odds!
The 84-10.25 WR for the WT is a toughie, but give it 30-70 odds!
And because Mr Eaton is retired, and because the best Heptathletes are now European & Canadian, give the 6645 WR just 10-90 odds!
As always, Relays are hard to predict.
The WR's are 3:01.06, 7:13.11, 16:12.81, and 9:19.83.
The Distance marks have the best chance of falling---if GIVEN the chance!!
US
My 60, 300, and 400 predictions are the same as above, but the US 200 WR is 20.10--so give Lyles & Coleman 60-40 odds there!
The 500 AR is 1:00.06.
Kerley could challenge it! 65-35 odds if he does!
The US does have some candidates for the 600 mark--See above!
The US 800 record is 1:45.00, and the 1000 mark is 2:16.76.
Both are given 60-40 odds--IF the right people run it!
What kind of shape is Centro (Matthew Centrowitz) in?
The 1500 (3:33.34) and Mile (3:49.89) AR's CAN be his, but....!!
55-45 & 15-85 odds, respectively!
The 2K AR is 4:54.74--which basically is 3:58.74 for 1600, then a last 400 of 56!
IF there's a RACE, give it 60-40 odds!
The longer Distances (3000 of 7:30.16, Deuce of 8:07.41, and 5000 of 13:01.26) all get 25-75 odds!
Paul Chelimo??
BTW, that Marathon WR is by an American!
ZERO odds given to the 60H AR of 7.36!
Same for the 7-10.50 HJ mark, and the LJ mark--which is the same as the WR.
The AR in the TJ is LESS than the WR--58-3.25!
So give Mr's Taylor & Claye 60-40 odds here!
Sam Kendricks is THIS close to 19-9 (the AR in the PV).
Give him 55-45 odds of PR'ing in Record-breaking territory!!
See above for the SP & WT predictions!
NO for the Heptathlon!!
The AR for the 4X400 Relay is 3:01.96.
The distance Relay records are the same as the World's!
Ditto the chances!
The various Walk AR's are--5:38.2 (Mile), 11:16.3 (3K), 12:05.94 (Deuce), and for the 5000, 19:15.88.
All safe!
Collegiate
With Lyles & Coleman both Pro's now, it's NO for the 60 & 200 CR's of 6.45 & 20.10!
And with Kerley also gone, forget the 44.57 CR (& WR & AR!!) for the 400!
The 600 mark is 1:14.96, while the 800 & 1000 are 1:44.84 and 2:18.26.
The latter has a REAL chance--70-30 odds--but give the 600 just 40-60, and the 800 20-80!
Mr Cheserek graduated, and went Professional!
However, I still give his 3:37.01 and 3:52.01 CR's 30-70 odds!
The 3000 CR of 7:38.59 is given better odds (40-60) than the 5000 mark of 13:08.28 (5-95)!!
Grant Holloway is still in College!
Give the 60H mark of 7.45 better than half a chance of falling--IF he's healthy!
The HJ (7-9.25), LJ (28-2.25), and the TJ (57-5) have a snowball's chance etc etc!!
Even though there are NO Collegiate PV'ers with a 19-plus PR, give the 19-4.75 CR 25-75 odds!
(Chris Nilsen HAS that kind of potential!)
The SP mark of 71-3.50 is given 20-80 odds, but the WT Record of 83-11.25 jumps to 30-70!
Forget the 6499 CR in the Heptathlon!
The CR's in the Relays are 1:24.70, 3:02.52, 7:17.45, and 9:25.97.
IF run on LEGAL tracks, give them ALL half a chance--or better!
HS
While there ARE great HS marks scattered throughout the INdoor season, HSR's are mostly dependent on strong New Balance INdoor Nationals efforts, not to mention some decent candidates appearing there!
That said, give the 60 mark of 6.57 ZERO odds!
Because of Anthony Schwartz, Tyrese Cooper, and Brian Herron, especially Cooper, give the longer sprint marks of 20.63, 32.87, and 45.92 about 65-35 odds of dying!
The 600 mark of 1:17.58 could be a 48.6, with a final lap of just under 29 seconds tacked on!
Give it 60-40 odds--and 100-0 if Mr Cooper tries it!
What will Brandon Miller do--IF he races INdoors??
The 800 & 1000 marks of 1:49.21 and 2:22.28 could fall, if he runs them!
He may have a bit of company!!
The Mile saw most of the sub-4 candidates graduate!
And Brodey Hasty is mainly known for the longer distances!
So give Drew Hunter's HSR's of 3:41.93 & 3:57.81 ZERO odds!!
The question for Hasty is--Which distances will he run??
The 5000 mark by King Ches (13:57.04) would actually be given the BEST odds---IF Hasty gives it a real shot--probably at NBIN!
The 3K & 2 Mile HSR's of 7:59.33 and 8:39.15 have less chance, but give the Deuce 60-40, with the 3000 getting 30-70!
The 60H mark of 7.40 is safe!
The Horizontal Jumps (26-6.50 & 52-7.50) Records get 5-95 odds.
The HJ is slightly better--10% odds.
Then there's MONDO!!
Give him--ummm---1,000,000 to zero odds of taking down his 19-1 HSR!!
OK, maybe reduce that to just 99-1 odds!
LOL
The trio of A-T greats in the HS Shot Put have graduated!
So the 77-2.50 (& 68-4 for the 16 pounder) HSR is VERY safe!!
Forget the 93-3.25 WT mark!!
Until the 22nd century--if then!
(But the Pro WT mark of 65-8.25 gets 40-60 odds--if someone takes it on!!)
But give the 4307 HSR in the Pentathlon 70-30 odds, with Kyle Garland returning!!
The usual caveat is given all the Relay records--1:26.09, 3:13.06, 7:36.99, 17:07.17, 3:24.02, and 9:56.18.
They're all vulnerable, but they're all difficult too!
Flip a coin!
The Walk HSR for the Mile is 6:03.48.
It will remain as such another year!
The Women are coming soon!!
As always, these will be all about my 4 core groups--World, US, Collegiate, and HS.
I will say which Records I feel might be broken, their odds, and maybe a comment or two.
The main "rule" this blog lives by for INdoors is---NO Oversize Track marks accepted!!
This one is for the Men!
World
With Christian Coleman on the rise, the 60 WR of 6.39 just might have a chance!
40-60 odds.
Ditto with the 19.92 WR for the 200 (30-70), and the 300 mark of 31.87.
The latter has WR holder Noah Lyles as its front line attacker.
IF he runs it, 90-10 odds!
I've said it many times, but the 400 WR of 44.57 SHOULD fall, but it never does!
This year has many candidates, including Fred Kerley and Emmanuel Korir!
IF the right people run it, 80-20 odds!!
Same goes for the 500 mark of 59.83.
The 600 went wild last year.
Will it again?
The 1:14.91 WR is given 60-40 odds.
But despite Korir's presence (IF he runs INdoors!), give the 1:42.67 800 WR just 30-70 odds.
Same with the 2:14.20 WR for the single K.
The 1500 (3:31.18) & Mile (3:48.45) WR's CAN be beaten--but won't!
10-90 odds.
The 2K is rarely run, so the WR of 4:49.99 is safe!
The 7:24.90 3K WR is too tough for the jog-and-kick crowd that inhabits the distances nowadays!
And the 2 Mile doesn't see many opportunities--if any!
IF someone like Muktar Edris goes for it, give the 8:03.40 WR 60-40 odds!
The 5000 WR of 12:49.60?
You gotta be kidding!!
BTW, there IS an INdoor WR for the 10000--27:50.29.
With the Marathon being an INdoor event now, why not??
Speaking of which, the latter's WR is 2:21:48!!
NO for the 60H mark of 7.30!
Maybe never!!
I'm giving Mutaz Barshim 65-35 odds to take down the HJ's 7-11.50 WR!
The LJ mark of 28-10.25 WOULD have 40-60 odds--IF Luvo Manyonga competes INdoors!
But South Africans & Down Under athletes have their OUTdoor seasons during the INdoor season, so don't count on it!
Will the Taylor-Claye Act go on tour this INdoor season?
If so, give the TJ mark of 58-9.50 WR 40-60 odds.
The PV's 20-2.50 WR is safe--even from the WR holder himself!!
The SP's 74-4.25 was once thought impossible.
But with the current group of Throwers, give it 30-70 odds!
The 84-10.25 WR for the WT is a toughie, but give it 30-70 odds!
And because Mr Eaton is retired, and because the best Heptathletes are now European & Canadian, give the 6645 WR just 10-90 odds!
As always, Relays are hard to predict.
The WR's are 3:01.06, 7:13.11, 16:12.81, and 9:19.83.
The Distance marks have the best chance of falling---if GIVEN the chance!!
US
My 60, 300, and 400 predictions are the same as above, but the US 200 WR is 20.10--so give Lyles & Coleman 60-40 odds there!
The 500 AR is 1:00.06.
Kerley could challenge it! 65-35 odds if he does!
The US does have some candidates for the 600 mark--See above!
The US 800 record is 1:45.00, and the 1000 mark is 2:16.76.
Both are given 60-40 odds--IF the right people run it!
What kind of shape is Centro (Matthew Centrowitz) in?
The 1500 (3:33.34) and Mile (3:49.89) AR's CAN be his, but....!!
55-45 & 15-85 odds, respectively!
The 2K AR is 4:54.74--which basically is 3:58.74 for 1600, then a last 400 of 56!
IF there's a RACE, give it 60-40 odds!
The longer Distances (3000 of 7:30.16, Deuce of 8:07.41, and 5000 of 13:01.26) all get 25-75 odds!
Paul Chelimo??
BTW, that Marathon WR is by an American!
ZERO odds given to the 60H AR of 7.36!
Same for the 7-10.50 HJ mark, and the LJ mark--which is the same as the WR.
The AR in the TJ is LESS than the WR--58-3.25!
So give Mr's Taylor & Claye 60-40 odds here!
Sam Kendricks is THIS close to 19-9 (the AR in the PV).
Give him 55-45 odds of PR'ing in Record-breaking territory!!
See above for the SP & WT predictions!
NO for the Heptathlon!!
The AR for the 4X400 Relay is 3:01.96.
The distance Relay records are the same as the World's!
Ditto the chances!
The various Walk AR's are--5:38.2 (Mile), 11:16.3 (3K), 12:05.94 (Deuce), and for the 5000, 19:15.88.
All safe!
Collegiate
With Lyles & Coleman both Pro's now, it's NO for the 60 & 200 CR's of 6.45 & 20.10!
And with Kerley also gone, forget the 44.57 CR (& WR & AR!!) for the 400!
The 600 mark is 1:14.96, while the 800 & 1000 are 1:44.84 and 2:18.26.
The latter has a REAL chance--70-30 odds--but give the 600 just 40-60, and the 800 20-80!
Mr Cheserek graduated, and went Professional!
However, I still give his 3:37.01 and 3:52.01 CR's 30-70 odds!
The 3000 CR of 7:38.59 is given better odds (40-60) than the 5000 mark of 13:08.28 (5-95)!!
Grant Holloway is still in College!
Give the 60H mark of 7.45 better than half a chance of falling--IF he's healthy!
The HJ (7-9.25), LJ (28-2.25), and the TJ (57-5) have a snowball's chance etc etc!!
Even though there are NO Collegiate PV'ers with a 19-plus PR, give the 19-4.75 CR 25-75 odds!
(Chris Nilsen HAS that kind of potential!)
The SP mark of 71-3.50 is given 20-80 odds, but the WT Record of 83-11.25 jumps to 30-70!
Forget the 6499 CR in the Heptathlon!
The CR's in the Relays are 1:24.70, 3:02.52, 7:17.45, and 9:25.97.
IF run on LEGAL tracks, give them ALL half a chance--or better!
HS
While there ARE great HS marks scattered throughout the INdoor season, HSR's are mostly dependent on strong New Balance INdoor Nationals efforts, not to mention some decent candidates appearing there!
That said, give the 60 mark of 6.57 ZERO odds!
Because of Anthony Schwartz, Tyrese Cooper, and Brian Herron, especially Cooper, give the longer sprint marks of 20.63, 32.87, and 45.92 about 65-35 odds of dying!
The 600 mark of 1:17.58 could be a 48.6, with a final lap of just under 29 seconds tacked on!
Give it 60-40 odds--and 100-0 if Mr Cooper tries it!
What will Brandon Miller do--IF he races INdoors??
The 800 & 1000 marks of 1:49.21 and 2:22.28 could fall, if he runs them!
He may have a bit of company!!
The Mile saw most of the sub-4 candidates graduate!
And Brodey Hasty is mainly known for the longer distances!
So give Drew Hunter's HSR's of 3:41.93 & 3:57.81 ZERO odds!!
The question for Hasty is--Which distances will he run??
The 5000 mark by King Ches (13:57.04) would actually be given the BEST odds---IF Hasty gives it a real shot--probably at NBIN!
The 3K & 2 Mile HSR's of 7:59.33 and 8:39.15 have less chance, but give the Deuce 60-40, with the 3000 getting 30-70!
The 60H mark of 7.40 is safe!
The Horizontal Jumps (26-6.50 & 52-7.50) Records get 5-95 odds.
The HJ is slightly better--10% odds.
Then there's MONDO!!
Give him--ummm---1,000,000 to zero odds of taking down his 19-1 HSR!!
OK, maybe reduce that to just 99-1 odds!
LOL
The trio of A-T greats in the HS Shot Put have graduated!
So the 77-2.50 (& 68-4 for the 16 pounder) HSR is VERY safe!!
Forget the 93-3.25 WT mark!!
Until the 22nd century--if then!
(But the Pro WT mark of 65-8.25 gets 40-60 odds--if someone takes it on!!)
But give the 4307 HSR in the Pentathlon 70-30 odds, with Kyle Garland returning!!
The usual caveat is given all the Relay records--1:26.09, 3:13.06, 7:36.99, 17:07.17, 3:24.02, and 9:56.18.
They're all vulnerable, but they're all difficult too!
Flip a coin!
The Walk HSR for the Mile is 6:03.48.
It will remain as such another year!
The Women are coming soon!!
Tuesday, November 21, 2017
What's Needed to Make Top 24's
The 2017-2018 INdoor season is upon us!
For this blog, that means it's time to tell all athletes what marks they need to achieve to make my DDD lists--aka Top 24 All-Time Performers lists!!
As with any INdoor (or OUTdoor!) Preview, there are some guidelines!
The lists are for my 4 core groups--World, US, Collegiate, and HS!
These lists are for INdoors ONLY!!
NO Oversize Track marks are included!
For HS'ers, NO 1600 or 3200 marks, nor those converted FROM them!
For HS Men, the United States HS weighted throwing implements are used, as are the 39 inch hurdles!
The Men's HS Pentathlon list also includes HS weights, etc ONLY!
HS Women use International weights and hurdle heights!
The Collegiate 300 list, as well as the US 2000 list, is short of 24!
First, I want to give you an overview---
In 2015, these 8 lists (Men & Women combined) produced 373 marks!
It came down one in 2016, to 372.
But in 2017, we saw 451 (!!!) marks on my lists dated 2017!!
(That will probably change, as my lists have only the year--no month or day--listed. Thus marks made in November or December of 2016 were part of the YEAR 2016--even though those Nov-Dec marks were NOT part of the 2015-2016 season!!)
The breakdown--
HS Men had 54, while the Women got 69!
The Collegiate Men have 45 marks, while the Women have 63.
The US lists were 54 for the Men, 77 for the Women!
And the World lists saw a more even distribution--42 Men's, 47 Women's!
Totals were 195 for the Men, and a whopping 256 for the Women!!
Can the 500 milestone be reached this season??
Men go first, with each list showing the CURRENT needed mark on the left, with 2016's on the right, with any differential noted!!
The 2016 marks are in parentheses!
NOTE: I didn't have lists for the 300's last year, so no 2016 marks are listed!
Also, as mentioned, the 2017 Collegiate 300 list, as well as the US 2000 list, are short of 24!
I'll be doing 2 groups at a time, for easier reading!
Collegiate, HS--MEN
60 6.54 (6.54) Same 6.70 (6.70) Same
200 20.43 (20.47) 0.04 21.29 (21.34) 0.05
300 33.17 33.66
400 45.61 (45.64) 0.03 47.35 (47.44) 0.09
600 1:17.33 (1:17.83) 0.50 1:19.78 (1:19.77) (See Note below!)
800 1:46.96 (1:47.06) 0.10 1:51.57 (1:51.72) 0.15
1000 2:21.56 (2:21.77) 0.21 2:26.44 (2:26.75) 0.31
1500 3:41.76 (3:42.50) 0.74 3:52.5 (3:54.83) 2.33
Mile 3:56.64 (3:56.73) 0.09 4:08.13 (4:08.67) 0.54
3000 7:49.80 (7:50.14) 0.34 8:26.55 (8:29.49) 2.94
2 Mile No List 8:54.45 (8:58.40) 3.95
5000 13:37.03 (13:37.03) Same 14:49.80 (14:53.10) 3.30
60H 7.60 (7.61) 0.01 7.73 (7.76) 0.03
HJ 7-6.50 (7-6.50) Same 7-2 (7-2) Same
LJ 26-9.25 (26-8.50) 0.75 24-10.50 (24-9.75) 0.75
TJ 55-4.25 (55-3.50) 0.75 50-6.75 (50-6.75) Same
PV 18-6.50 (18-6) 0.50 17-2 (17-1) 1.00
SP 67-10 (67-6.75) 3.25 67-1.50 (66-11.25) 2.25
WT 75-4.75 (74-8.25) 8.50 76-3.50 (75-5.50) 10.00
Multi 5951 (5894) 57 3827 (3586) 241
4X400 3:06.06 (3:06.34) 0.28 No List
DMR 9:32.27 (9:32.27) Same No List
World, US--MEN
60 6.47 (6.48) 0.01 6.50 (6.51) 0.01
200 20.38 (20.40) 0.02 20.42 (20.42) Same
300 32.72 33.05
400 45.34 (45.37) 0.03 45.52 (45.53) 0.01
600 1:15.96 (1:16.15) 0.19 1:16.89 (1:17.15) 0.26
800 1:45.44 (1:45.44) Same 1:46.95 (1:47.06) 0.11
1000 2:17.36 (2:17.63) 0.27 2:19.73 (2:19.83) 0.10
1500 3:34.85 (3:34.85) Same 3:39.04 (3:39.75) 0.71
Mile 3:52.8 (3:52.98) 0.18 3:54.89 (3:55.47) 0.58
2000 4:58.76 (4:58.76) Same 5:05.77 (5:05.77) Same
3000 7:34.38 (7:34.38) Same 7:43.69 (7:45.72) 2.03
2 Mile 8:14.69 (8:15.02) 0.33 8:27.6 (8:28.17) 0.57
5000 13:11.13 (13:11.78) 0.65 13:36.00 (13:36.87) 0.87
60H 7.44 (7.44) Same 7.51 (7.51) Same
HJ 7-8.75 (7-8.75) Same 7-7.25 (7-7.25) Same
LJ 27-3.75 (27-3.25) 0.50 26-11.75 (26-11.75) Same
TJ 57-5 (57-3.75) 1.25 55-9 (55-9) Same
PV 19-4.25 (19.4.25) Same 19-0.25 (19-0.25) Same
SP 70-9.25 (70-9) 0.25 69-8.50 (69-8) 0.50
WT 77-4 (76-8.50) 7.50 76-3.75 (75-5.25) 10.50
Multi 6249 (6249) Same 5941 (5861) 80
4X400 3:09.04 (3:13.21) 4.17 No List
Note that the Collegiate Men had 4 lists remain the same, while HS'ers had just a pair!
However, the World Men saw EIGHT remain the same, while the US Men have SEVEN!!
Now to the Women!
Collegiate, HS--WOMEN
60 7.17 (7.18) 0.01 7.33 (7.33) Same
200 22.79 (22.83) 0.04 23.73 (23.79) 0.06
300 37.93 38.31
400 51.77 (51.86) 0.09 54.06 (54.35) 0.29
600 1:29.34 (1:29.62) 0.28 1:31.87 (1:31.85) (See Note below!)
800 2:03.21 (2:03.38) 0.17 2:07.54 (2:07.84) 0.30
1000 2:43.76 (2:44.46) 0.70 2:48.68 (2:49.30) 0.62
1500 4:17.2 (4:17.53) 0.33 4:26.9 (4:27.9) 1.00
Mile 4:33.01 (4:33.26) 0.25 4:45.29 (4:45.9) 0.61
3000 9:01.26 (9:01.49) 0.23 9:39.82 (9:43.93) 4.11
2 Mile No List 10:16.75 (10:20.22) 3.47
5000 15:40.88 (15:42.27) 1.39 16:50.35 (16:57.99) 7.64
60H 7.98 (8.00) 0.02 8.35 (8.38) 0.03
HJ 6-3.25 (6-3) 0.25 5-11 (5-11) Same
LJ 21-8.75 (21-8.25) 0.50 20-3.50 (20-1.50) 2.00
TJ 44-9.50 (44-8.25) 1.25 41-8.50 (41-5.25) 3.25
PV 14-7.25 (14-4) 3.25 13-5 (13-4) 1.00
SP 58-4.75 (58-1.25) 3.50 50-2 (49-7.75) 6.25
WT 73-2.50 (72-3.75) 10.75 59-0 (57-11) 13.00
Multi 4339 (4267) 72 3598 (3589) 9
4X400 3:33.24 (3:34.68) 1.44 No List
DMR 11:04.45 (11:05.69) 1.24 No List
World, US--WOMEN
60 7.03 (7.04) 0.01 7.12 (7.13) 0.01
200 22.54 (22.59) 0.05 22.81 (22.87) 0.06
300 36.65 37.42
400 50.69 (50.71) 0.02 51.63 (51.82) 0.19
600 1:26.48 (1:26.87) 0.39 1:28.15 (1:28.78) 0.63
800 1:58.83 (1:58.9) 0.07 2:01.52 (2:01.82) 0.30
1000 2:35.5 (2:35.80) 0.30 2:40.72 (2:41.23) 0.51
1500 4:03.09 (4:03.33) 0.24 4:09.82 (4:10.68) 0.86
Mile 4:24.71 (4:26.28) 1.57 4:28.47 (4:29.67) 1.20
2000 5:43.53 (5:43.53) Same 5:58.45 (5:56.78) (See Note below!)
3000 8:37.47 (8:38.14) 0.67 8:53.55 (8:53.89) 0.34
2 Mile 9:35.66 (9:35.66) Same 9:45.99 (9:45.99) Same
5000 15:06.22 (15:13.72) 7.50 15:37.82 (15:42.20)4.38
60H 7.82 (7.82) Same 7.88 (7.91) 0.03
HJ 6-7 (6-7) Same 6-3.50 (6-3.25) 0.25
LJ 22-10.75 (22-10.75) Same 21-10.75 (21-9.50) 1.25
TJ 48-2.75 (48-2.25) 0.50 44-8.50 (44-8) 0.50
PV 15-5.50 (15-5) 0.50 14-11 (14-9) 2.00
SP 67-6.25 (67-6.25) Same 59-6.75 (59-3.50) 3.25
WT 73-11 (73-3.25) 7.75 73-2.75 (72-2.75) 12.00
Multi 4775 (4769) 6 4301 (4289) 12
4X400 3:39.66 (3:36.17) No List (See Note below!)
NOTE: The HS Men's & Women's 600's, plus the World 4X400 Relay , show marks needed for this year as SLOWER than those needed last year!
I believe that one or more marks I had were eliminated for one reason or another--thus I needed to find a "replacement" mark. I chose the closest mark I could find to add to my list.
(However, I feel pretty certain those lists will add enough marks this year so we're back to "normal"!!)
Also, for the US Women's 2000 list--it's short, and I have a limit of 5:59.99 to make that list!
I added that 5:58.45 time to the list, thus making this still-short list with a slower time needed!
One more item--improvements in field events are shown in INCHES!
Thus, the "13.00" in the Women's HS Weight Throw means they improved 13 INCHES!!
Amazingly--and thrillingly!!--the Women's Collegiate lists saw EVERY event change from 2016, while HS'ers had just 2 events not go through changes!!
There were SIX events that remained the same this year on my World lists, but just one for the US!!
With a World Championship, and an additional IAAF World Tour meet, plus some exciting "new" meets set for this season, I'm hoping we'll see FIVE HUNDRED marks with "2018" next to them at season's end!!
(Of course, additional marks could come in November & December of 2018, as well as marks that come if events are moved INdoors during the "off- season"--such as when the Zurich DL held their PV INside their train station!!)
Next--and FINAL!!--INdoor Previews will be for which World, US, Collegiate, and HS Records might fall this season!!
I'll probably do this in two posts--one for each gender!!
And hopefully, I'll have some INdoor marks to report--with Cameron Haught's Mile Walk of 7:00.75 being the 1st! (See previous post!)
Also, I' hope to have a Review of the book "18 Months Raising the Bar" for you soon--probably in early December!!
(It tells the story of the time--18 months!--when Sandi Morris and Demi Payne went wild in the PV--exchanging wins and Records often--making for one of the most exciting "era's" in Collegiate, US, and even World!--PV history!!)
See you soon!
For this blog, that means it's time to tell all athletes what marks they need to achieve to make my DDD lists--aka Top 24 All-Time Performers lists!!
As with any INdoor (or OUTdoor!) Preview, there are some guidelines!
The lists are for my 4 core groups--World, US, Collegiate, and HS!
These lists are for INdoors ONLY!!
NO Oversize Track marks are included!
For HS'ers, NO 1600 or 3200 marks, nor those converted FROM them!
For HS Men, the United States HS weighted throwing implements are used, as are the 39 inch hurdles!
The Men's HS Pentathlon list also includes HS weights, etc ONLY!
HS Women use International weights and hurdle heights!
The Collegiate 300 list, as well as the US 2000 list, is short of 24!
First, I want to give you an overview---
In 2015, these 8 lists (Men & Women combined) produced 373 marks!
It came down one in 2016, to 372.
But in 2017, we saw 451 (!!!) marks on my lists dated 2017!!
(That will probably change, as my lists have only the year--no month or day--listed. Thus marks made in November or December of 2016 were part of the YEAR 2016--even though those Nov-Dec marks were NOT part of the 2015-2016 season!!)
The breakdown--
HS Men had 54, while the Women got 69!
The Collegiate Men have 45 marks, while the Women have 63.
The US lists were 54 for the Men, 77 for the Women!
And the World lists saw a more even distribution--42 Men's, 47 Women's!
Totals were 195 for the Men, and a whopping 256 for the Women!!
Can the 500 milestone be reached this season??
Men go first, with each list showing the CURRENT needed mark on the left, with 2016's on the right, with any differential noted!!
The 2016 marks are in parentheses!
NOTE: I didn't have lists for the 300's last year, so no 2016 marks are listed!
Also, as mentioned, the 2017 Collegiate 300 list, as well as the US 2000 list, are short of 24!
I'll be doing 2 groups at a time, for easier reading!
Collegiate, HS--MEN
60 6.54 (6.54) Same 6.70 (6.70) Same
200 20.43 (20.47) 0.04 21.29 (21.34) 0.05
300 33.17 33.66
400 45.61 (45.64) 0.03 47.35 (47.44) 0.09
600 1:17.33 (1:17.83) 0.50 1:19.78 (1:19.77) (See Note below!)
800 1:46.96 (1:47.06) 0.10 1:51.57 (1:51.72) 0.15
1000 2:21.56 (2:21.77) 0.21 2:26.44 (2:26.75) 0.31
1500 3:41.76 (3:42.50) 0.74 3:52.5 (3:54.83) 2.33
Mile 3:56.64 (3:56.73) 0.09 4:08.13 (4:08.67) 0.54
3000 7:49.80 (7:50.14) 0.34 8:26.55 (8:29.49) 2.94
2 Mile No List 8:54.45 (8:58.40) 3.95
5000 13:37.03 (13:37.03) Same 14:49.80 (14:53.10) 3.30
60H 7.60 (7.61) 0.01 7.73 (7.76) 0.03
HJ 7-6.50 (7-6.50) Same 7-2 (7-2) Same
LJ 26-9.25 (26-8.50) 0.75 24-10.50 (24-9.75) 0.75
TJ 55-4.25 (55-3.50) 0.75 50-6.75 (50-6.75) Same
PV 18-6.50 (18-6) 0.50 17-2 (17-1) 1.00
SP 67-10 (67-6.75) 3.25 67-1.50 (66-11.25) 2.25
WT 75-4.75 (74-8.25) 8.50 76-3.50 (75-5.50) 10.00
Multi 5951 (5894) 57 3827 (3586) 241
4X400 3:06.06 (3:06.34) 0.28 No List
DMR 9:32.27 (9:32.27) Same No List
World, US--MEN
60 6.47 (6.48) 0.01 6.50 (6.51) 0.01
200 20.38 (20.40) 0.02 20.42 (20.42) Same
300 32.72 33.05
400 45.34 (45.37) 0.03 45.52 (45.53) 0.01
600 1:15.96 (1:16.15) 0.19 1:16.89 (1:17.15) 0.26
800 1:45.44 (1:45.44) Same 1:46.95 (1:47.06) 0.11
1000 2:17.36 (2:17.63) 0.27 2:19.73 (2:19.83) 0.10
1500 3:34.85 (3:34.85) Same 3:39.04 (3:39.75) 0.71
Mile 3:52.8 (3:52.98) 0.18 3:54.89 (3:55.47) 0.58
2000 4:58.76 (4:58.76) Same 5:05.77 (5:05.77) Same
3000 7:34.38 (7:34.38) Same 7:43.69 (7:45.72) 2.03
2 Mile 8:14.69 (8:15.02) 0.33 8:27.6 (8:28.17) 0.57
5000 13:11.13 (13:11.78) 0.65 13:36.00 (13:36.87) 0.87
60H 7.44 (7.44) Same 7.51 (7.51) Same
HJ 7-8.75 (7-8.75) Same 7-7.25 (7-7.25) Same
LJ 27-3.75 (27-3.25) 0.50 26-11.75 (26-11.75) Same
TJ 57-5 (57-3.75) 1.25 55-9 (55-9) Same
PV 19-4.25 (19.4.25) Same 19-0.25 (19-0.25) Same
SP 70-9.25 (70-9) 0.25 69-8.50 (69-8) 0.50
WT 77-4 (76-8.50) 7.50 76-3.75 (75-5.25) 10.50
Multi 6249 (6249) Same 5941 (5861) 80
4X400 3:09.04 (3:13.21) 4.17 No List
Note that the Collegiate Men had 4 lists remain the same, while HS'ers had just a pair!
However, the World Men saw EIGHT remain the same, while the US Men have SEVEN!!
Now to the Women!
Collegiate, HS--WOMEN
60 7.17 (7.18) 0.01 7.33 (7.33) Same
200 22.79 (22.83) 0.04 23.73 (23.79) 0.06
300 37.93 38.31
400 51.77 (51.86) 0.09 54.06 (54.35) 0.29
600 1:29.34 (1:29.62) 0.28 1:31.87 (1:31.85) (See Note below!)
800 2:03.21 (2:03.38) 0.17 2:07.54 (2:07.84) 0.30
1000 2:43.76 (2:44.46) 0.70 2:48.68 (2:49.30) 0.62
1500 4:17.2 (4:17.53) 0.33 4:26.9 (4:27.9) 1.00
Mile 4:33.01 (4:33.26) 0.25 4:45.29 (4:45.9) 0.61
3000 9:01.26 (9:01.49) 0.23 9:39.82 (9:43.93) 4.11
2 Mile No List 10:16.75 (10:20.22) 3.47
5000 15:40.88 (15:42.27) 1.39 16:50.35 (16:57.99) 7.64
60H 7.98 (8.00) 0.02 8.35 (8.38) 0.03
HJ 6-3.25 (6-3) 0.25 5-11 (5-11) Same
LJ 21-8.75 (21-8.25) 0.50 20-3.50 (20-1.50) 2.00
TJ 44-9.50 (44-8.25) 1.25 41-8.50 (41-5.25) 3.25
PV 14-7.25 (14-4) 3.25 13-5 (13-4) 1.00
SP 58-4.75 (58-1.25) 3.50 50-2 (49-7.75) 6.25
WT 73-2.50 (72-3.75) 10.75 59-0 (57-11) 13.00
Multi 4339 (4267) 72 3598 (3589) 9
4X400 3:33.24 (3:34.68) 1.44 No List
DMR 11:04.45 (11:05.69) 1.24 No List
World, US--WOMEN
60 7.03 (7.04) 0.01 7.12 (7.13) 0.01
200 22.54 (22.59) 0.05 22.81 (22.87) 0.06
300 36.65 37.42
400 50.69 (50.71) 0.02 51.63 (51.82) 0.19
600 1:26.48 (1:26.87) 0.39 1:28.15 (1:28.78) 0.63
800 1:58.83 (1:58.9) 0.07 2:01.52 (2:01.82) 0.30
1000 2:35.5 (2:35.80) 0.30 2:40.72 (2:41.23) 0.51
1500 4:03.09 (4:03.33) 0.24 4:09.82 (4:10.68) 0.86
Mile 4:24.71 (4:26.28) 1.57 4:28.47 (4:29.67) 1.20
2000 5:43.53 (5:43.53) Same 5:58.45 (5:56.78) (See Note below!)
3000 8:37.47 (8:38.14) 0.67 8:53.55 (8:53.89) 0.34
2 Mile 9:35.66 (9:35.66) Same 9:45.99 (9:45.99) Same
5000 15:06.22 (15:13.72) 7.50 15:37.82 (15:42.20)4.38
60H 7.82 (7.82) Same 7.88 (7.91) 0.03
HJ 6-7 (6-7) Same 6-3.50 (6-3.25) 0.25
LJ 22-10.75 (22-10.75) Same 21-10.75 (21-9.50) 1.25
TJ 48-2.75 (48-2.25) 0.50 44-8.50 (44-8) 0.50
PV 15-5.50 (15-5) 0.50 14-11 (14-9) 2.00
SP 67-6.25 (67-6.25) Same 59-6.75 (59-3.50) 3.25
WT 73-11 (73-3.25) 7.75 73-2.75 (72-2.75) 12.00
Multi 4775 (4769) 6 4301 (4289) 12
4X400 3:39.66 (3:36.17) No List (See Note below!)
NOTE: The HS Men's & Women's 600's, plus the World 4X400 Relay , show marks needed for this year as SLOWER than those needed last year!
I believe that one or more marks I had were eliminated for one reason or another--thus I needed to find a "replacement" mark. I chose the closest mark I could find to add to my list.
(However, I feel pretty certain those lists will add enough marks this year so we're back to "normal"!!)
Also, for the US Women's 2000 list--it's short, and I have a limit of 5:59.99 to make that list!
I added that 5:58.45 time to the list, thus making this still-short list with a slower time needed!
One more item--improvements in field events are shown in INCHES!
Thus, the "13.00" in the Women's HS Weight Throw means they improved 13 INCHES!!
Amazingly--and thrillingly!!--the Women's Collegiate lists saw EVERY event change from 2016, while HS'ers had just 2 events not go through changes!!
There were SIX events that remained the same this year on my World lists, but just one for the US!!
With a World Championship, and an additional IAAF World Tour meet, plus some exciting "new" meets set for this season, I'm hoping we'll see FIVE HUNDRED marks with "2018" next to them at season's end!!
(Of course, additional marks could come in November & December of 2018, as well as marks that come if events are moved INdoors during the "off- season"--such as when the Zurich DL held their PV INside their train station!!)
Next--and FINAL!!--INdoor Previews will be for which World, US, Collegiate, and HS Records might fall this season!!
I'll probably do this in two posts--one for each gender!!
And hopefully, I'll have some INdoor marks to report--with Cameron Haught's Mile Walk of 7:00.75 being the 1st! (See previous post!)
Also, I' hope to have a Review of the book "18 Months Raising the Bar" for you soon--probably in early December!!
(It tells the story of the time--18 months!--when Sandi Morris and Demi Payne went wild in the PV--exchanging wins and Records often--making for one of the most exciting "era's" in Collegiate, US, and even World!--PV history!!)
See you soon!
Sunday, November 19, 2017
NCAA XC--2 Ways to Win
Ednah Kurgat broke off early, gapped the field, and won as she pleased, despite the presence of a very strong field!
Here's the Top 8, with a list of where other "name" runners finished--and for the Women, there are TONS of them---
1. Ednah Kurgat 19:19.5
9. Allie Buchalski
10. Dani Jones
11. Karissa Schweizer
12. Charlotte Prouse
Justyn Knight used a blistering sprint finish to overtake the two leaders at the very end of a dramatic race.
Two ways to win, but win they did!
Kurgat, who told interviewers she was 22 years old--but whom IAAF lists as 26 (Born June 15, 1991, they say!), ran the fastest time ever in an NCAA Cross Country Championship final!
Her time of 19:19.5 beat Amy Eloise-Neale by 7.5 seconds, even though she seemed to be slogging her way into the tape, while Eloise-Neale passed a squadron of speedsters--coming from 19th at 4K to reach the podium!
Two ways to win, but win they did!
Kurgat, who told interviewers she was 22 years old--but whom IAAF lists as 26 (Born June 15, 1991, they say!), ran the fastest time ever in an NCAA Cross Country Championship final!
Her time of 19:19.5 beat Amy Eloise-Neale by 7.5 seconds, even though she seemed to be slogging her way into the tape, while Eloise-Neale passed a squadron of speedsters--coming from 19th at 4K to reach the podium!
The "favorite", the 2016 Champion--Karissa Schweizer--had "one of those days" many athletes mysteriously have, and gave no excuses for her 11th place finish!
She also had a strong end-kick, but it was too little, too late!
She also had a strong end-kick, but it was too little, too late!
Here's the Top 8, with a list of where other "name" runners finished--and for the Women, there are TONS of them---
1. Ednah Kurgat 19:19.5
2. Amy Eloise-Neale 19:27.0
3. Charlotte Taylor 19:28.6
4. Allie Ostrander 19:31.2
5. Weronika Pyzik 19:34.0
6. Caroline Sang 19:35.6
7. Weini Kelati 19:35.8 (1st Frosh, even though she'll be 21 on December 1st!!)
8. Grayson Murphy 19:36.3
3. Charlotte Taylor 19:28.6
4. Allie Ostrander 19:31.2
5. Weronika Pyzik 19:34.0
6. Caroline Sang 19:35.6
7. Weini Kelati 19:35.8 (1st Frosh, even though she'll be 21 on December 1st!!)
8. Grayson Murphy 19:36.3
9. Allie Buchalski
10. Dani Jones
11. Karissa Schweizer
12. Charlotte Prouse
13. Fiona O'Keefe
14. Alice Wright
16. Katie Rainsberger
18. Elinor Purrier
20. Katherine Receveur
14. Alice Wright
16. Katie Rainsberger
18. Elinor Purrier
20. Katherine Receveur
23. Bethan Knights
30 & 31. Samantha & Jessica Drop
38. Brie Oakley (2nd Frosh)
39. Sarah Disanza
39. Sarah Disanza
44. Sharon Lokedi
53. Emily Venters (3rd Frosh--from Boise State)
57. Elise Cranny
65. Bella Burda
70 & 74. Bethany & Megan Hasz
79. Callie Logue
134. Destiny Collins
53. Emily Venters (3rd Frosh--from Boise State)
57. Elise Cranny
65. Bella Burda
70 & 74. Bethany & Megan Hasz
79. Callie Logue
134. Destiny Collins
150. Ryen Frazier
Knight, who can claim he once beat Ed Cheserek in a track 5000, had to overtake Matthew Baxter, a New Zealander, just before the tape in an exciting finish rarely seen during the King Ches era, XC or track!
Grant Fisher--like Ms Schweizer, a co-favorite for the title with Knight--also disappointed, ending 5th, but 12 seconds from Knight!
He was never really in it!
Following are the Men's Top 8, along with a string of "names" who either over or under-performed---
1. Justyn Knight 29:00.11
2. Matthew Baxter 29:00.78
3. Tyler Day 29:04.55
4. Gilbert Kigen 29:11.90
5. Grant Fisher 29:12.6
6. Dillon Maggard 29:16.20
7. Vincent Kiprop 29:27.13
8. Peter Lomong 29:33.09
9. Lawrence Kipkoech
10. Jonathan Green
Knight, who can claim he once beat Ed Cheserek in a track 5000, had to overtake Matthew Baxter, a New Zealander, just before the tape in an exciting finish rarely seen during the King Ches era, XC or track!
Grant Fisher--like Ms Schweizer, a co-favorite for the title with Knight--also disappointed, ending 5th, but 12 seconds from Knight!
He was never really in it!
Following are the Men's Top 8, along with a string of "names" who either over or under-performed---
1. Justyn Knight 29:00.11
2. Matthew Baxter 29:00.78
3. Tyler Day 29:04.55
4. Gilbert Kigen 29:11.90
5. Grant Fisher 29:12.6
6. Dillon Maggard 29:16.20
7. Vincent Kiprop 29:27.13
8. Peter Lomong 29:33.09
9. Lawrence Kipkoech
10. Jonathan Green
11. Emmanuel Roudolff-Levisse
12. Sean Tobin
16. Alex Ostberg
17. Steven Fahy
24. Casey Clinger
27. Gilbert Kirui
30. Conner McMillan
34. Jacob Choge
37. Alfred Chelanga
39. Rory Linkletter
44. Cooper Teare
47. Hassan Abdi
67. Joe Klecker
78. Reed Brown
169. Jerrell Mock
185. Oliver Hoare
The Men's team title went to Northern Arizona, whose 74 points beat Portland's 127.
BYU was 3rd with 165, while Stanford (221), Arkansas (269), and Oregon (274) were next.
The Women's team title went to New Mexico's 90, which beat surprising San Francisco, who finished with 105.
Colorado followed with 139, while Stanford's 165, Oregon's 203, and Boise State's 264 were next.
Not sure if they're related, but another Kurgat--Caroline--won the Division II race, time of 20:32.
12. Sean Tobin
16. Alex Ostberg
17. Steven Fahy
24. Casey Clinger
27. Gilbert Kirui
30. Conner McMillan
34. Jacob Choge
37. Alfred Chelanga
39. Rory Linkletter
44. Cooper Teare
47. Hassan Abdi
67. Joe Klecker
78. Reed Brown
169. Jerrell Mock
185. Oliver Hoare
The Men's team title went to Northern Arizona, whose 74 points beat Portland's 127.
BYU was 3rd with 165, while Stanford (221), Arkansas (269), and Oregon (274) were next.
The Women's team title went to New Mexico's 90, which beat surprising San Francisco, who finished with 105.
Colorado followed with 139, while Stanford's 165, Oregon's 203, and Boise State's 264 were next.
Not sure if they're related, but another Kurgat--Caroline--won the Division II race, time of 20:32.
She ended 20 seconds ahead of Silver!
The Men's race also was a runaway, with James Nganda's 30:18 ending 34 seconds in front!
There were 2 more NXN Regional races---
London Culbreath took the South, running 17:33, easily beating Carrie Fish's 17:47.
Carter Cheeseman's 15:34 just nipped Alex Maier's 15:35!
The Southwest Women's race went to Amanda Mayoral, time of 17:14.
Aidan Troutner took the Men's race in 14:50!
Claudia Lane demolished the CIF field by 50 seconds, winning in 16:32.
And not sure where, but Katelyn Tuohy continues to rock & roll!
The Men's race also was a runaway, with James Nganda's 30:18 ending 34 seconds in front!
There were 2 more NXN Regional races---
London Culbreath took the South, running 17:33, easily beating Carrie Fish's 17:47.
Carter Cheeseman's 15:34 just nipped Alex Maier's 15:35!
The Southwest Women's race went to Amanda Mayoral, time of 17:14.
Aidan Troutner took the Men's race in 14:50!
Claudia Lane demolished the CIF field by 50 seconds, winning in 16:32.
And not sure where, but Katelyn Tuohy continues to rock & roll!
Her 16:52.4 was a new Course Record (for whatever course it was!)!!
Hoka One One's National Postal races saw Rebecca Story dip under 10 minutes for the 3200 meter track race for the 2nd time!
Her 9:59.80 included a 69 final lap, and beat 2nd by a HUGE margin!!
Titus Winders used a blazing 62.3 closer to take the Men's race in 9:01.55!!
The JDL November Tune-Up INdoor meet saw just one mark worth noting--
Cameron Haught Walked the Mile in 7:00.75!
Yes, that is the first INdoor mark this blog is reporting for the 2017-2018 INdoor T&F season, now officially OPEN!!
A few Road events saw some amazing results over 3 different distances!!
Hoka One One's National Postal races saw Rebecca Story dip under 10 minutes for the 3200 meter track race for the 2nd time!
Her 9:59.80 included a 69 final lap, and beat 2nd by a HUGE margin!!
Titus Winders used a blazing 62.3 closer to take the Men's race in 9:01.55!!
The JDL November Tune-Up INdoor meet saw just one mark worth noting--
Cameron Haught Walked the Mile in 7:00.75!
Yes, that is the first INdoor mark this blog is reporting for the 2017-2018 INdoor T&F season, now officially OPEN!!
A few Road events saw some amazing results over 3 different distances!!
Almaz Ayana's much-ballyhooed first Half saw her winning the New Delhi race in 67:11.
Not the quick time predicted for her, but enough to win by 9 seconds over Yeshanah Abebel, a fellow Ethiopian!
It misses my World DDD list by 36 seconds!!
Not the quick time predicted for her, but enough to win by 9 seconds over Yeshanah Abebel, a fellow Ethiopian!
It misses my World DDD list by 36 seconds!!
The air pollution, and initial Half inexperience, probably made her time slower than hoped for!
The Men's race went to Berhanu Legesse, his 59:46 beating A Belihu's 59:51.
But in 3rd came US Army's Len Korir, whose 59:52 was a 1:22 PR, and moving him from 10th A-T US to 2nd, just 9 seconds behind Ryan Hall's American Record!!
Another American ran well in the Kobe (Japan) Marathon!
Maegan Krifchin is 29 years old, and has a Half of 69:51 to her credit from 2015.
She improved her Marathon time by just a few seconds--to 2:33:14--but it was enough to WIN the Women's division!!
That Half time indicates she's ripe for a HUGE improvement over the full distance--maybe to 2:26 territory!!
The Men's portion of the Valencia Marathon went to Sammy Kitwara's 2:05:15.
Evans Chebet was 2nd in 2:05:30.
Finally, in a WR attempt over 15K in a Netherlands race, Joshua Cheptegai came up 2 seconds shy of the 41:13 WR!!
And he was disappointed!!
Karissa Schweizers coach indicated she wants to run a fast 5000 in the Boston University meet in December--if she recovers well from her NCAA race!
(I have a feeling she'll be there--engines revving!!)
But in 3rd came US Army's Len Korir, whose 59:52 was a 1:22 PR, and moving him from 10th A-T US to 2nd, just 9 seconds behind Ryan Hall's American Record!!
Another American ran well in the Kobe (Japan) Marathon!
Maegan Krifchin is 29 years old, and has a Half of 69:51 to her credit from 2015.
She improved her Marathon time by just a few seconds--to 2:33:14--but it was enough to WIN the Women's division!!
That Half time indicates she's ripe for a HUGE improvement over the full distance--maybe to 2:26 territory!!
The Men's portion of the Valencia Marathon went to Sammy Kitwara's 2:05:15.
Evans Chebet was 2nd in 2:05:30.
Finally, in a WR attempt over 15K in a Netherlands race, Joshua Cheptegai came up 2 seconds shy of the 41:13 WR!!
And he was disappointed!!
Karissa Schweizers coach indicated she wants to run a fast 5000 in the Boston University meet in December--if she recovers well from her NCAA race!
(I have a feeling she'll be there--engines revving!!)
See you soon with more INdoor Previews, and anything else that stirs the juices!
Saturday, November 18, 2017
A Potent Message for Our Sport
You were expecting this post to have the NCAA Cross Country results.
And I will have that for you--in my next post!
SPOILER ALERT--I am going to tell you who the individual winners were!!
I've been a fan of T&F (& even XC!) for more than 5 full decades!
I've seen vast changes in the sport--most important of which has been the introduction of Women into the mainstream of the sport, and their amazing rapid rise to prominence!
What I've NOT seen---is the motivation for this "extra" post!
I will speak to a few subjects most of us have thought about, written solutions to on Message Boards or on blogs, but of which very little--or nothing--has been done!
1. Foreigners in American meets & races.
2. No Age Limits for Collegiates.
3. No agreement on when a Record is a Record.
4. The ongoing problem of OT's.
5. Why are HS'ers still running 1600's & 3200's?
5A.. Why do HS Men use different weights & hurdle heights than do the Women?
5B. Why are Men's & Women's XC course distances different?
I hope you'll indulge me--and feel this message is important enough to pass forward to athletes, coaches, and the "authorities" of our sport!
Foreigners in American Meets and Races
The NCAA XC Individual winners were from Canada and Kenya.
I speak of Justyn Knight and Ednah Kurgat.
Fair enough.
They attend USA universities, and are legally allowed to compete in all NCAA meets, if their marks are good enough.
But should they?
Many nations have either changed their rules, or didn't have to, regarding who gets to participate in events deemed a NATIONAL Championship.
The old AAU & TAC used to allow foreigners to compete in USA Championship events!
It was only in the 90's where they were banned.
But not in the NCAA or in HS!
Look at the rosters of some schools--like New Mexico, BYU, UTEP, and many others, and you'll see a litany of Kenyan names there.
Or British names, or Canadians, or those from many other nations!
In many cases, this denies medals, Course Records, Meet Records, and Awards to US-born athletes!
I have NOTHING against "foreign" athletes competing on American tracks & fields, Roads & XC courses!
Contradictory statement??
NO!!
Let them compete.
Let them "win"!
But let an American WIN, BREAK a Record, and be the AWARD winner!
How to do this?
If a foreign-born athlete wins a race, or breaks a Course (or whatever other kind of) Record--designate a SEPARATE category for them!
List them as the "First Foreigner", or the "Best on American Soil by a Foreigner".
But have the FIRST US-BORN athlete as your WINNER & RECORD BREAKER!!
T&FN does this on their US lists!
They first list the 40 top Americans--a mix of Pro's, Collegiates, and HS'ers!
Then they have a 2nd (& much shorter) list of "Foreign Collegians".
I have my arguments with their "Absolute" lists, or their inclusion of INdoor marks on their post-INdoor season Absolute lists!
But I LIKE what they do with Foreign Collegiates!
No Age Limits for Collegiates
Ednah Kurgat's birthdate is listed on IAAF as June 15, 1991.
(Although apparently in an interview today, she said she was 22!!)
If the IAAF is correct (a dicey idea!), then today's NCAA Women's winner was 26 years and 5 months old!
In 1978, the leading College runner was Henry Rono, a Soph at Washington State!
He ran times of 7:32, 13:08, and 27:22, as well as the 3000SC in 8:05.
He was also 26 that year, having been born in January 1952!
Yes, there have been several other "elders" competing for US Colleges (& HS's)!
Weini Kelati is a recent example.
She entered HS as a 17 year old Frosh!!
T&FN said she was too old her Senior year to be eligible for HS lists or records!
I fully agreed!
A few years ago, Christy Cazzolla graduated from Wisconsin-Oshkosh near Age 29!!
After graduating HS at 18, she delayed her College experience for her personal life--like having children!
OK, fine!
No Woman should deny herself a LIFE--away from her athletic life!
And no one--Man or Woman--should be denied an EDUCATION--at ANY age--even if they're 95 or 100!!
But when it comes to the venues of US T&F & XC, that's a whole other story!
As we've discussed frequently on MB's--girls go through bodily changes--beginning with the onset of puberty--that makes their forward progress seem more like regress!!
(Just read what Let's Run people have to say about why Mary Cain (& many others) left the sport, or just faded into relative obscurity!!)
But AGE is a different consideration!
Once past her "puberty probs", a Woman's only shortcoming stems from Age differences!
The older one gets, the better an athlete they become!
(The rare exceptions being those who produce "adult" marks as teenagers--like Jim Ryun did, or Mondo Duplantis, Celiphine Chespol, and several others have done!)
Is it fair that 18 to 22 year old's (the "average" ages of most Collegiates) must compete with the Kurgat's & Rono's (& even the Cazzolla's) of this world?
NO!!
While I HATE boxing & wrestling, I LOVE that they have a variety of Weight categories for their competitions!
You don't see a 130 pound person going against one who weighs over 200!!
It's unfair--and dangerous!!
While it's not dangerous for Kurgat, at 26, to be racing against an 18 or 19 year old Freshman, it is most definitely NOT fair!!
No agreement on when a Record is a Record
I won't spend much time on this.
You've been bored to tears by my rants before!
But I urge you to reconsider what I (& many others) have said about "mixed genders" competing in all-Woman events!
NOTHING such athletes as Caster Semenya does should be considered for Records of any kind!!
They should not BE in Women's events--unless they are 100% WOMEN--internally & externally!!
There is NO "measurement" or "scale" or "degree" of Womanhood!!
You either ARE a Woman--no if's, and's, or but's--or you are NOT!!
NO middle ground!!
(The old "You can't be half-pregnant!" argument!!)
Also, some "drug" busts are so ludicrous & mis-leading--and just NOT what they're deemed to be by USADA, WADA, CAS, or by National bodies (USATF!)--that athletes are punished for reasons that would be laughed out of most courts of justice around the world--or should be!!
(Marijuana busts, for example!)
That's why this blog ignored what happened to Emma Coburn's (then-) AR in the SC, or to Gwen Berry's HT mark, or to Ajee Wilson's INdoor 800 AR!!
The last 4 subjects--
The ongoing problem of OT's
Why are HS'ers still running 1600's & 3200's?
Why do HS Men use different weights & hurdle heights than do the Women?
Why are Men's & Women's XC course distances different?
can be considered together.
I've commented (RANTED!! LOL) about all of these at various times since beginning this blog--and on T&FN's Message Board!
To deaf ears and blind eyes!
Oversize Tracks are good (??) for one thing--to train on when the weather is lousy outside!
But NOT for holding track meets, where records, or places on A-T lists, are up for grabs!
It comes down--again!--to what's fair--and what is not!!
Sure, we have banked--and flat--LEGAL INdoor 200 meter tracks!
And there ARE probably advantages to one over the other!
BUT--they're all 200 meters per lap!!
Why do you think Colleges send their Relay teams (DMR's) to Notre Dame & other venues where they have OT's to qualify for the "Big Show"??
Because OT's DO allow for faster times!!
But when you allow those times to qualify a team for the NCAA's, that's where I draw the line!!
And what about having Conference Championships on OT's?
Last year, there were a handful of the MAJOR Conferences held on OT's!
This year, there are fewer, but still they are there!!
(Check my INdoor Schedule for which are on OT's in 2018!)
This is NOT unfair to the Throwers, Jumpers, and anyone who races 60 meter distances, with or without hurdles!
But it IS unfair to ALL those who compete at distances from 200 through 5000 meters!!
NONE of those marks--NONE!!!--are eligible for ANY Record or List considerations!!!
That's at least HALF of any team competing on OT's!!
How would YOU feel being one of those athletes??
1600's & 3200's
Aaah, one of my "favorite" subjects!
For decades--since 440 yard tracks (or 220 yards INdoors) were converted to 400 (& 200) meter tracks--the Mile & Two Mile were changed also, to 1600's & 3200's!
Okay, I can understand the simplicity of it.
Four or eight laps of an OUTdoor track, eight or 16 laps of those 200 meter INdoor tracks!!
No having to measure & mark the extra 9.344 or 18.688 meters for the Ace & the Deuce!
But in the United States--and in some other "Westernized" countries--the MILE still reigns as an iconic event!!
(The Two Mile being accorded the same honor, in my mind!)
There is NO WAY you can quantify the time needed to run those "extra" meters!!
No formula, no matter how mathematically quantifiable, is ever "correct" for EVERY runner!!
To be fair to the 1000's of athletes who, over the past 35 or more years, have been racing over those shorter metric distances, Record keepers can create separate lists (& records) for those 1600's & 3200's!
The key word there being SEPARATE!!
A simple solution--fair to both groups?
Time runners at the 1600 & 3200 points of Mile & Two Mile races!
Yes, you'd have to do the initial measurements & track markings!
ONCE!!
Then time runners ENROUTE to their Mile's & Deuces at those metric markers!!
Different Weights & Hurdle heights?
No comments here!
Just go into my Archives & re-read my early "editorial" titled "Should HS Boys throw the 16 pound SP from Day One?".
Same basic idea for the variation in hurdle heights--HS Men using the 39 inchers, while Collegiates and Professionals use 42 inch hurdles!
(The Women's remain the same from Frosh Class of HS on!! For the Throws & the Hurdles!!)
Besides the physiological considerations, there's also the Record & List considerations!
The shorter hurdle heights and lesser weight implements DENY High School Men their rightful place on All-Time lists--& being compared to the rest of the World!!
Different XC course distances
Why do Men race over 8000 or 10000 meters in XC races, while the Women race over 5000 and 6000 meter distances?
The only word I can think of is--SEXIST!!
(And DISCRIMINATION!!)
In 1984, the longest track distance for Women in the Olympics was 1500 meters!
No 5K or 10K.
But they DID race--for the first time in Olympic history--the 26.2 mile Marathon!!
Silly?
YES!!
(Same silliness about this year's inclusion of a Women's 50K Walk at the WC's--times a million!!)
The main argument is that XC brings together many "true" distance runners--those 5K & 10K types--but also has a bunch of "Miler" types--or even those who race mainly over 800 meters!!
They say it's unfair to make those "sprinters" go up against the distance people at the longer distances!
But isn't it also unfair to put a 10K specialist up against an aerobically-trained 2-lap specialist--who can out-kick the former??
I don't really care which ONE distance they agree on--but let them AGREE on ONE distance for ALL!!
8K, 10K--heck, even 9K, or 7K!--but have Men & Women run the SAME distance!!
Women have proven themselves over & over again that they can compete--and compete well--over whatever distance is provided for them!!
(The recent victory of Shalane Flanagan in the Marathon--the 100 Mile WR SMASHED by Camille Herron, etc etc!!)
Well, folks, thank you for enduring this latest "commentary" by yours truly!
I promise I will have the NCAA XC results posted SOON!!
And I will have that for you--in my next post!
SPOILER ALERT--I am going to tell you who the individual winners were!!
I've been a fan of T&F (& even XC!) for more than 5 full decades!
I've seen vast changes in the sport--most important of which has been the introduction of Women into the mainstream of the sport, and their amazing rapid rise to prominence!
What I've NOT seen---is the motivation for this "extra" post!
I will speak to a few subjects most of us have thought about, written solutions to on Message Boards or on blogs, but of which very little--or nothing--has been done!
1. Foreigners in American meets & races.
2. No Age Limits for Collegiates.
3. No agreement on when a Record is a Record.
4. The ongoing problem of OT's.
5. Why are HS'ers still running 1600's & 3200's?
5A.. Why do HS Men use different weights & hurdle heights than do the Women?
5B. Why are Men's & Women's XC course distances different?
I hope you'll indulge me--and feel this message is important enough to pass forward to athletes, coaches, and the "authorities" of our sport!
Foreigners in American Meets and Races
The NCAA XC Individual winners were from Canada and Kenya.
I speak of Justyn Knight and Ednah Kurgat.
Fair enough.
They attend USA universities, and are legally allowed to compete in all NCAA meets, if their marks are good enough.
But should they?
Many nations have either changed their rules, or didn't have to, regarding who gets to participate in events deemed a NATIONAL Championship.
The old AAU & TAC used to allow foreigners to compete in USA Championship events!
It was only in the 90's where they were banned.
But not in the NCAA or in HS!
Look at the rosters of some schools--like New Mexico, BYU, UTEP, and many others, and you'll see a litany of Kenyan names there.
Or British names, or Canadians, or those from many other nations!
In many cases, this denies medals, Course Records, Meet Records, and Awards to US-born athletes!
I have NOTHING against "foreign" athletes competing on American tracks & fields, Roads & XC courses!
Contradictory statement??
NO!!
Let them compete.
Let them "win"!
But let an American WIN, BREAK a Record, and be the AWARD winner!
How to do this?
If a foreign-born athlete wins a race, or breaks a Course (or whatever other kind of) Record--designate a SEPARATE category for them!
List them as the "First Foreigner", or the "Best on American Soil by a Foreigner".
But have the FIRST US-BORN athlete as your WINNER & RECORD BREAKER!!
T&FN does this on their US lists!
They first list the 40 top Americans--a mix of Pro's, Collegiates, and HS'ers!
Then they have a 2nd (& much shorter) list of "Foreign Collegians".
I have my arguments with their "Absolute" lists, or their inclusion of INdoor marks on their post-INdoor season Absolute lists!
But I LIKE what they do with Foreign Collegiates!
No Age Limits for Collegiates
Ednah Kurgat's birthdate is listed on IAAF as June 15, 1991.
(Although apparently in an interview today, she said she was 22!!)
If the IAAF is correct (a dicey idea!), then today's NCAA Women's winner was 26 years and 5 months old!
In 1978, the leading College runner was Henry Rono, a Soph at Washington State!
He ran times of 7:32, 13:08, and 27:22, as well as the 3000SC in 8:05.
He was also 26 that year, having been born in January 1952!
Yes, there have been several other "elders" competing for US Colleges (& HS's)!
Weini Kelati is a recent example.
She entered HS as a 17 year old Frosh!!
T&FN said she was too old her Senior year to be eligible for HS lists or records!
I fully agreed!
A few years ago, Christy Cazzolla graduated from Wisconsin-Oshkosh near Age 29!!
After graduating HS at 18, she delayed her College experience for her personal life--like having children!
OK, fine!
No Woman should deny herself a LIFE--away from her athletic life!
And no one--Man or Woman--should be denied an EDUCATION--at ANY age--even if they're 95 or 100!!
But when it comes to the venues of US T&F & XC, that's a whole other story!
As we've discussed frequently on MB's--girls go through bodily changes--beginning with the onset of puberty--that makes their forward progress seem more like regress!!
(Just read what Let's Run people have to say about why Mary Cain (& many others) left the sport, or just faded into relative obscurity!!)
But AGE is a different consideration!
Once past her "puberty probs", a Woman's only shortcoming stems from Age differences!
The older one gets, the better an athlete they become!
(The rare exceptions being those who produce "adult" marks as teenagers--like Jim Ryun did, or Mondo Duplantis, Celiphine Chespol, and several others have done!)
Is it fair that 18 to 22 year old's (the "average" ages of most Collegiates) must compete with the Kurgat's & Rono's (& even the Cazzolla's) of this world?
NO!!
While I HATE boxing & wrestling, I LOVE that they have a variety of Weight categories for their competitions!
You don't see a 130 pound person going against one who weighs over 200!!
It's unfair--and dangerous!!
While it's not dangerous for Kurgat, at 26, to be racing against an 18 or 19 year old Freshman, it is most definitely NOT fair!!
No agreement on when a Record is a Record
I won't spend much time on this.
You've been bored to tears by my rants before!
But I urge you to reconsider what I (& many others) have said about "mixed genders" competing in all-Woman events!
NOTHING such athletes as Caster Semenya does should be considered for Records of any kind!!
They should not BE in Women's events--unless they are 100% WOMEN--internally & externally!!
There is NO "measurement" or "scale" or "degree" of Womanhood!!
You either ARE a Woman--no if's, and's, or but's--or you are NOT!!
NO middle ground!!
(The old "You can't be half-pregnant!" argument!!)
Also, some "drug" busts are so ludicrous & mis-leading--and just NOT what they're deemed to be by USADA, WADA, CAS, or by National bodies (USATF!)--that athletes are punished for reasons that would be laughed out of most courts of justice around the world--or should be!!
(Marijuana busts, for example!)
That's why this blog ignored what happened to Emma Coburn's (then-) AR in the SC, or to Gwen Berry's HT mark, or to Ajee Wilson's INdoor 800 AR!!
The last 4 subjects--
The ongoing problem of OT's
Why are HS'ers still running 1600's & 3200's?
Why do HS Men use different weights & hurdle heights than do the Women?
Why are Men's & Women's XC course distances different?
can be considered together.
I've commented (RANTED!! LOL) about all of these at various times since beginning this blog--and on T&FN's Message Board!
To deaf ears and blind eyes!
Oversize Tracks are good (??) for one thing--to train on when the weather is lousy outside!
But NOT for holding track meets, where records, or places on A-T lists, are up for grabs!
It comes down--again!--to what's fair--and what is not!!
Sure, we have banked--and flat--LEGAL INdoor 200 meter tracks!
And there ARE probably advantages to one over the other!
BUT--they're all 200 meters per lap!!
Why do you think Colleges send their Relay teams (DMR's) to Notre Dame & other venues where they have OT's to qualify for the "Big Show"??
Because OT's DO allow for faster times!!
But when you allow those times to qualify a team for the NCAA's, that's where I draw the line!!
And what about having Conference Championships on OT's?
Last year, there were a handful of the MAJOR Conferences held on OT's!
This year, there are fewer, but still they are there!!
(Check my INdoor Schedule for which are on OT's in 2018!)
This is NOT unfair to the Throwers, Jumpers, and anyone who races 60 meter distances, with or without hurdles!
But it IS unfair to ALL those who compete at distances from 200 through 5000 meters!!
NONE of those marks--NONE!!!--are eligible for ANY Record or List considerations!!!
That's at least HALF of any team competing on OT's!!
How would YOU feel being one of those athletes??
1600's & 3200's
Aaah, one of my "favorite" subjects!
For decades--since 440 yard tracks (or 220 yards INdoors) were converted to 400 (& 200) meter tracks--the Mile & Two Mile were changed also, to 1600's & 3200's!
Okay, I can understand the simplicity of it.
Four or eight laps of an OUTdoor track, eight or 16 laps of those 200 meter INdoor tracks!!
No having to measure & mark the extra 9.344 or 18.688 meters for the Ace & the Deuce!
But in the United States--and in some other "Westernized" countries--the MILE still reigns as an iconic event!!
(The Two Mile being accorded the same honor, in my mind!)
There is NO WAY you can quantify the time needed to run those "extra" meters!!
No formula, no matter how mathematically quantifiable, is ever "correct" for EVERY runner!!
To be fair to the 1000's of athletes who, over the past 35 or more years, have been racing over those shorter metric distances, Record keepers can create separate lists (& records) for those 1600's & 3200's!
The key word there being SEPARATE!!
A simple solution--fair to both groups?
Time runners at the 1600 & 3200 points of Mile & Two Mile races!
Yes, you'd have to do the initial measurements & track markings!
ONCE!!
Then time runners ENROUTE to their Mile's & Deuces at those metric markers!!
Different Weights & Hurdle heights?
No comments here!
Just go into my Archives & re-read my early "editorial" titled "Should HS Boys throw the 16 pound SP from Day One?".
Same basic idea for the variation in hurdle heights--HS Men using the 39 inchers, while Collegiates and Professionals use 42 inch hurdles!
(The Women's remain the same from Frosh Class of HS on!! For the Throws & the Hurdles!!)
Besides the physiological considerations, there's also the Record & List considerations!
The shorter hurdle heights and lesser weight implements DENY High School Men their rightful place on All-Time lists--& being compared to the rest of the World!!
Different XC course distances
Why do Men race over 8000 or 10000 meters in XC races, while the Women race over 5000 and 6000 meter distances?
The only word I can think of is--SEXIST!!
(And DISCRIMINATION!!)
In 1984, the longest track distance for Women in the Olympics was 1500 meters!
No 5K or 10K.
But they DID race--for the first time in Olympic history--the 26.2 mile Marathon!!
Silly?
YES!!
(Same silliness about this year's inclusion of a Women's 50K Walk at the WC's--times a million!!)
The main argument is that XC brings together many "true" distance runners--those 5K & 10K types--but also has a bunch of "Miler" types--or even those who race mainly over 800 meters!!
They say it's unfair to make those "sprinters" go up against the distance people at the longer distances!
But isn't it also unfair to put a 10K specialist up against an aerobically-trained 2-lap specialist--who can out-kick the former??
I don't really care which ONE distance they agree on--but let them AGREE on ONE distance for ALL!!
8K, 10K--heck, even 9K, or 7K!--but have Men & Women run the SAME distance!!
Women have proven themselves over & over again that they can compete--and compete well--over whatever distance is provided for them!!
(The recent victory of Shalane Flanagan in the Marathon--the 100 Mile WR SMASHED by Camille Herron, etc etc!!)
Well, folks, thank you for enduring this latest "commentary" by yours truly!
I promise I will have the NCAA XC results posted SOON!!
Friday, November 17, 2017
INdoors 2018--Age Records
Age Records have always fascinated me--from the days when I competed (in races with 5 year Age groups--30-34, 35-39, etc), to now, as an enthusiastic observer of what athletes of a particular age can do--and especially to compare their marks to the Age just below or above theirs!
It's the older Ages--and the youngest (of the Ages included in my T&F Record Book)--that most intrigues me!
People like Bernard Lagat (now retired from Track racing!!) and the Ping sisters (still years away from Age 17!!) are remarkable in what they've done at their ages!
This Preview has some guidelines--
My Age Records go from 17 to 40--although the "bookends" are known as 0-17 and 40 & over, meaning a 14 or 15 year old can break one of my "0-17" records, and someone Age 42 or 45 are eligible for my "40 & over" category.
All other Ages--from 18 through 39--have their own set of records!
These are determined by an athlete's FULL birthdate, not just the year!!
There are no generic categories, such as Youth, Junior, or Masters.
This Preview includes both genders in each Age!
Because of the high quality of many Age records, this year's version has fewer names I deem qualified to chase a particular record.
Finally, I have no or little idea of who's going to compete INdoors!
The OUTdoor Commonwealth Games comes early in 2018, so might limit the participation of Down Under athletes.
Also, while there's a World Championships INdoors, there is no European Championships.
However, the WC's is in the UK, so might entice more Europeans to take part in the 6 meets of the IAAF World Tour!
This Preview begins with the oldest, and works its way down to the youngest!
Because of the dearth of names, this will be a ONE post Preview!
Ages 40 & over, 39, 38, & 37
NO candidates!!
Mr Lagat has retired from track racing!
Ruth Beitia has retired, period!
Chris Brown seems to be done!
So these Ages are devoid of eligibles (or at least I'm unaware of any!).
Age 36
Not sure if Justin Gatlin will compete INdoors, but if he does, the 60 Record is 6.51, and the 200 is 20.70!
But Gatlin only turns 36 on February 10th!
Jenn Suhr has a SOFT target to shoot for in the PV--13-10!!
She'll be 36 on February 5th!
Amber Campbell needs just ONE WT to bring her total of Age Records BACK up to 9!! She HAD 9 as of last year, but lost one to Deanna Price!!
There's currently no WT record for this Age!
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Gatlin has until February 9th to run 6.50 & 20.45!
Suhr has through February 4th to reach 15-0!
VCB--aka Veronica Campbell-Brown--must run the 60 in 7.02!
The 200 slot is empty--hers for the taking!
Not sure if Novlene Williams-Mills has retired, but if she's still active, the 300 slot is empty, while the 400 has a really soft target of 51.99!
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Caterine Ibarguen turns 34 on February 12th!
That Age's TJ slot doesn't have a mark!
Nick Willis can get the 1500 (3:38.34) and the Mile (3:51.34) records!
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As last year, Shannon Rowbury has a long list of Record possibilities!
The 1500 mark is 4:00.27, the Mile is 4:17.14, while the 3000 and 2 Mile are 8:31.50 and 9:31.68!
Dawn Harper-Nelson must run the 60H in 7.91.
Ibarguen has through February 11th to TJ 49-3.75!
Olga Rypakova also has that as a target!
Not certain this SP record is THE best--it's the best I know about!--but Valerie Adams--IF she competes INdoors after giving birth to her first child recently--has it EASY, as the record is just 60-0.25!!
Sandi Morris's "BAE", Tyrone Smith, has a LJ of 27-8.75 to chase!
The Pentathlon slot is empty here, so whatever total Gyorgyi Zsivoczky-Farkas gets will be the record!
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Will Allyson Felix race INdoors?
If so, the 300 slot is empty, while the 400 is just 50.83!
Ben True turns 32 on December 29th!
Marks for him include the 3000, 2 Mile, and 5000, times of 7:32.43, 8:20.84, and 13:12.27.
Tianna Bartoletta has a LJ of 22-7 to go after!
Michelle Carter must produce a SP of 62-8.25!
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Jenny Simpson, like Rowbury, has a list of marks to run down, so to speak!
The 1500 is 4:02.2, the Mile is 4:18.86, while the 3K and Deuce are 8:37.91 and 9:38.06!
If she wants to race a 5000, that mark is 14:54.73--but maybe Susan Krumins has a better chance at it after her breakthrough 2017 OUTdoors!!
Ivan Ukhov has a HJ of 7-9.25 to chase!
Renaud Lavillenie wants a PV of 19-6.25!
Brittney Reese goes after the LJ mark of 22-7.25!
Sally Pearson's 60H time to seek is 7.83!
Both Kamila Licwinko and Inika McPherson have to reach 6-4.75 in the HJ!
Isaac Makwala can get a pair of Age records--since the 300 slot is empty, and the 400 mark is just 45.96!
Makwala turns 32 on March 22nd!
Natasha Hastings can grab the 300 record, since I don't have one right now!
Also, beginning November 24th, Ryan Whiting has an empty SP slot to fill!
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Murielle Ahoure has to speed a 60 in 7.02, or a 200 of 22.24!
Brenda Martinez has 3 marks to chase--the 1000 of 2:34.61, 1500 of 4:03.09, and the Mile of 4:22.66!
Yarisley Silva has a PV target of 15-7.25!
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Melissa Bishop (Don't have her new married name handy!!) has to run the 800 & 1000 in 1:57.48 and 2:32.21.
Kate Grace--that new Bowerman Babe!--has the 1500 of 4:00.72, and the Mile of 4:24.98, to go after!
Marie Josee Ta Lou--IF she competes INdoors--has an easy 200 time of 22.70 to run!
Ben Blankenship--beginning December 15th--can run a Mile of 3:54.49 for a Record!
The 60H time of 7.80 will be what Kristi Castlin, Nia Ali, and Queen Harrison will be wanting!
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This Age is "busier"!
Starting December 13th, Helen Obiri goes after the 3000 of 8:27.06, the 2 Mile of 9:18.35 (Jenny Simpson's!!), and the 5000 of 14:55.89!
Matthew Centowitz says he wants to run FAST times in 2018!
Hope INdoors is included!
His targets in the 1500 and Mile are 3:34.94 and 3:50.6!
Both Adam Kszczot and Erik Sowinski have an easy 600 time of 1:16.02 to chase!
Ekaterina Stefanidi has from February 4th to PV 15-11!
(Note her month & day are just one removed from that of Jenn Suhr--although their years are far apart!!)
Felicia Johnson and WR holder Gwen Berry will want a WT of 81-0.50!
Evan Jager has through March 7th to run a 3K (without hurdles & water pits!) of 7:32.78, a 2 Mile of 8:06.61, or a 5K of 13:02.95!
Gil Roberts has 300 & 400 targets of 32.37 and 44.66!
Pawel Wojcieckowski has to bring his Pole Vault PR to 19-9.50!
Joe Kovacs must throw the Shot Put 72-6.50 for the record!
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Will Genzebe Dibaba be in top Record-shattering form in 2018?
If so, her goals should include the 1500 (4:03.51), the Mile (4:24.53), the 2000 (5:39.30), and the 3000 (8:29.41).
But she only turns 27 on February 8th!
Winny Chebet has those 1500 & Mile times to chase, but only from December 20th.
Kyle Merber has from November 19th to run the 1500 in 3:34.20 or the Mile in 3:52.9!
Paul Chelimo will go after the longer distance times of 7:32.03, 8:07.39, and 13:01.26!
Both Darya Klishina and Ivana Spanovic have the same LJ number to chase--23-0.75!
Ms Stefanidi has through February 3rd to PV 15-11.75!
Tori Bowie must race times of 6.98 (60) and 22.50 (200) for Age records!
Christina Manning and Sharika Nelvis have the same target--Lolo Jones's 7.72!!
Sergey Shubenkov has his 60H target as 7.40!
And Christian Taylor must TJ 58-3.75!
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Genzebe D has through February 7th to run times of 3:58.80, 4:22.01, 5:34.52, and 8:24.46!
Mutaz Barshim must HJ 7-10.50.
Luvo Manyonga has a LJ target of 28-3.50!
Will Claye has a TJ mark of 58-2 to go after!
Casimir Loxsom has a soft 600 time of 1:16.5 to run for!
He turns 27 on March 16th!
Jasmine Stowers's 60H time is the WR (!) of 7.68!
Easy, eh?
Ameer Webb has to run a 200 of 20.42!
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Sifan Hassan has 1500 and Mile times of 3:56.46 and 4:13.31 to chase.
Tom Walsh (through February 28th), and Ryan Crouser (from December 18th on), have the SP mark of 73-0.50!
The 60 time is 6.93.
The runners chasing it are Elaine Thompson and Michelle Lee-Ahye!
Add Dafne Schippers to that list!
And give them all the 200 time of 22.16 as appetizers!
For Quanera Hayes and Phyllis Francis, try a 300 of 36.50 or a 400 of 50.41!
Elijah Manangoi has 1500 & Mile times of 3:33.77 and 3:51.35 to seek!
Will Katarina Johnson-Thompson do a Pentathlon?
Her target is 4851 points!
Kendra Harrison has a 60H time of 7.69 as her goal!
Andrew Pozzi will want a 60H time of 7.41.
The Vertical Jumps have some action here!
Sam Kendricks's PV mark is 19-9.25, while Sandi Morris's is 16-2.75!
Mariya Lasitskene has the HJ mark of 6-8.75 to chase, but only from January 14th!
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For Laura Muir and Faith Kipyegon (the latter as of January 10th), a 1500 in 4:04.42 and a Mile of 4:19.89 will suffice!
Ed Cheserek turns 24 on February 2nd!
His goal is a Mile in 3:51.8!
PPPP--aka Pablo Pedro Pichardo etc--seeks a TJ of 58-6!
Ms Lasitskene has until January 13th to HJ 6-8!
Deanna Price has a WT target of 80-0.25!
Darrell Hill has a SP mark of 71-6!
Muktar Edris has from January 14th to run 3K, 2 Mile, and 5K times of 7:26.14, 8:16.89, and 13:09.43!
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King Ches has through February 1st to run a Mile in 3:51.34!
Shaunae Miller-Uibo has through March 14th to race the 300 in 36.27, or the 400 in 50.57!
Courtney Okolo also has those marks as her targets!
Ajee Wilson's goals are a 600 of 1:25.46, and an 800 in 1:56.40!
Nijel Amos also has through March 14th to go after times of 1:15.83, 1:44.78, and 2:14.20!
If Nafi Thiam does a Pentathlon, her goal is 4991 points!!
Omar McLeod's 60H aim is "just" 7.34!
Jarrion Lawson has a LJ mark of 27-7.25 to go after!
Maggie Ewen's WT goal is 79-8.75!
And Kyra Jefferson's 200 time she wants is 22.26.
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Christian Coleman must wait until March 6th for 60 & 200 goals of 6.45 and 20.26.
Fred Kerley also has that 20.26, but adds the 400 time of 45.05!
And Emmanuel Korir--who turned Pro after his Frosh year of College!--also has that 45.05--but adds the triad of the 600 (1:15.80), 800 (1:44.57), and the 1000 (2:17.26)!!
Deajah Stevens--assuming she stays in her lane this time!!--has her 200 goal as 22.27!
Yulimar Rojas has a TJ mark of 49-0.25 to seek!
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Mr Coleman has until March 5th to race the 60 & 200 in 6.45 & 20.11 (his own records!!).
Gina Luckenkemper has from November 21st to sprint a 60 in 7.07, or a 200 in 22.43!
Ariana Washington has the same pair of goals!
Kendell Ellis has 300 & 400 targets of 36.33 and 49.88!
The height would be good PR's for them, but a 15-11.25 PV is what the "Weeks" twins (starting November 20th) and Eliza McCartney (beginning December 11th) want!
Konstanze Klosterhalfen must run times of 4:00.13 and 4:25.73 in the 1500 and Mile for Age 21 records!
But she has to wait until February 18th!!
BTW, Mary Cain is also Age 21!!
Just saying.
Raevyn Rogers--another new Pro!--has times of 1:26.22 (600), 1:58.9 (800), and 2:35.21 (1000) to chase!
Isaiah Harris will chase the 600 time of 1:14.97!
JCQ--aka Jasmine Camacho-Quinn--has to race the 60H in 7.77.
Maybe her lucky number!
Both Raven Saunders and Keturah Orji have "out there" targets in their respective events!
For Saunders, she must add over 4 FEET to her INdoor best in the SP, her target being 68-5!
Orji's mark is much closer to her current OUTdoor best, but still rare for her, a TJ of 48-6.25!
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Noah Lyles has a 200 time of 20.10, and a 300 time of 31.94 to chase!
KK has through February 17th (See Age 21!) to run the 1500 in 4:01.47, or the Mile in 4:23.50!
The HJ has a good cast of characters!
Vashti Cunningham (as of January 18th) and Yuliya Levchenko (from November 28th) have the height of 6-8.25.
Daniel Lysenko has his target as 7-10.
Konrad Bukowiecki has through March 16th to throw the SP out 70-6.25.
Wil London's times he wants are 31.94 and 45.02.
Donavan Brazier's goals are a 600 of 1:16.76, and an 800 in 1:44.52.
Tobi Amusan's 60H time she wants is 7.91.
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Candace Hill has from February 11th to race the 300 in 36.10, and the 400 in 50.82.
Same targets for Salwa Naser--IF she runs INdoors!!
Ms Cunningham has until January 17th to reach 6-6.75 in the HJ.
Wilma Murto's PV target is 15-1.
Alina Shukh--beginning February 12th--has a Pentathlon score of 4681 to go after!
So does Geraldine Ruckstuhl, but only until February 23rd!
Hang in there, friends--almost done!!
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Mondo Duplantis (Who's he?? LOL) has a real softie--a PV of 18-7.50!
Piece of cake!
Celiphine Chespol is a question mark as to whether she intends to run INdoors!
But if she does--4:03.28 (1500), 4:24.10 (Mile), 5:35.46 (2000), 8:33.56 (3K), 9:34.03 (2 Mile), and 14:53.99 (5000) are her goals!
She turns 19 on March 22nd!
Samantha (No more "Sammy", please!) Watson's time targets are 1:26.45 and 2:01.82.
Ms Hill's time goals (through February 10th) 36.56 and 50.88.
Same times Sydney McLaughlin might be seeking--IF these events are part of her "NO 400H in 2018!) program!!
Will she also branch out to the 600?
If so, she must run 1:26.45 for this Age record!
For Tara Davis, a 60H time of 8.00 and a LJ of 22-4 are her targets!
(McLaughlin also apparently will LJ this year, so give her that same 22-4 as her target there!)
Mykal Masso of Cuba has a LJ goal of 26-11.75!
Alina Shukh (See Age 19!) must score 4635 in the Pentathlon!
And Lisa Gunnarson has a PV height of 15-3.50 as her aim!
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One athlete, man, person!
His name is Tyrese Cooper!
His Age Record targets are multiple!
60 in 6.62.
200 in 20.83.
300 of 32.87--his own mark!!
400 in 45.24!
Heck, the dude LOVES to do doubles & triples!
Go for it, Tyrese!!
(He turns 18 on March 21st!)
Next post will be FULL coverage of the NCAA Cross Country Championships--plus the remaining NXN Regionals!
See you soon!
It's the older Ages--and the youngest (of the Ages included in my T&F Record Book)--that most intrigues me!
People like Bernard Lagat (now retired from Track racing!!) and the Ping sisters (still years away from Age 17!!) are remarkable in what they've done at their ages!
This Preview has some guidelines--
My Age Records go from 17 to 40--although the "bookends" are known as 0-17 and 40 & over, meaning a 14 or 15 year old can break one of my "0-17" records, and someone Age 42 or 45 are eligible for my "40 & over" category.
All other Ages--from 18 through 39--have their own set of records!
These are determined by an athlete's FULL birthdate, not just the year!!
There are no generic categories, such as Youth, Junior, or Masters.
This Preview includes both genders in each Age!
Because of the high quality of many Age records, this year's version has fewer names I deem qualified to chase a particular record.
Finally, I have no or little idea of who's going to compete INdoors!
The OUTdoor Commonwealth Games comes early in 2018, so might limit the participation of Down Under athletes.
Also, while there's a World Championships INdoors, there is no European Championships.
However, the WC's is in the UK, so might entice more Europeans to take part in the 6 meets of the IAAF World Tour!
This Preview begins with the oldest, and works its way down to the youngest!
Because of the dearth of names, this will be a ONE post Preview!
Ages 40 & over, 39, 38, & 37
NO candidates!!
Mr Lagat has retired from track racing!
Ruth Beitia has retired, period!
Chris Brown seems to be done!
So these Ages are devoid of eligibles (or at least I'm unaware of any!).
Age 36
Not sure if Justin Gatlin will compete INdoors, but if he does, the 60 Record is 6.51, and the 200 is 20.70!
But Gatlin only turns 36 on February 10th!
Jenn Suhr has a SOFT target to shoot for in the PV--13-10!!
She'll be 36 on February 5th!
Amber Campbell needs just ONE WT to bring her total of Age Records BACK up to 9!! She HAD 9 as of last year, but lost one to Deanna Price!!
There's currently no WT record for this Age!
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Gatlin has until February 9th to run 6.50 & 20.45!
Suhr has through February 4th to reach 15-0!
VCB--aka Veronica Campbell-Brown--must run the 60 in 7.02!
The 200 slot is empty--hers for the taking!
Not sure if Novlene Williams-Mills has retired, but if she's still active, the 300 slot is empty, while the 400 has a really soft target of 51.99!
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Caterine Ibarguen turns 34 on February 12th!
That Age's TJ slot doesn't have a mark!
Nick Willis can get the 1500 (3:38.34) and the Mile (3:51.34) records!
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As last year, Shannon Rowbury has a long list of Record possibilities!
The 1500 mark is 4:00.27, the Mile is 4:17.14, while the 3000 and 2 Mile are 8:31.50 and 9:31.68!
Dawn Harper-Nelson must run the 60H in 7.91.
Ibarguen has through February 11th to TJ 49-3.75!
Olga Rypakova also has that as a target!
Not certain this SP record is THE best--it's the best I know about!--but Valerie Adams--IF she competes INdoors after giving birth to her first child recently--has it EASY, as the record is just 60-0.25!!
Sandi Morris's "BAE", Tyrone Smith, has a LJ of 27-8.75 to chase!
The Pentathlon slot is empty here, so whatever total Gyorgyi Zsivoczky-Farkas gets will be the record!
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Will Allyson Felix race INdoors?
If so, the 300 slot is empty, while the 400 is just 50.83!
Ben True turns 32 on December 29th!
Marks for him include the 3000, 2 Mile, and 5000, times of 7:32.43, 8:20.84, and 13:12.27.
Tianna Bartoletta has a LJ of 22-7 to go after!
Michelle Carter must produce a SP of 62-8.25!
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Jenny Simpson, like Rowbury, has a list of marks to run down, so to speak!
The 1500 is 4:02.2, the Mile is 4:18.86, while the 3K and Deuce are 8:37.91 and 9:38.06!
If she wants to race a 5000, that mark is 14:54.73--but maybe Susan Krumins has a better chance at it after her breakthrough 2017 OUTdoors!!
Ivan Ukhov has a HJ of 7-9.25 to chase!
Renaud Lavillenie wants a PV of 19-6.25!
Brittney Reese goes after the LJ mark of 22-7.25!
Sally Pearson's 60H time to seek is 7.83!
Both Kamila Licwinko and Inika McPherson have to reach 6-4.75 in the HJ!
Isaac Makwala can get a pair of Age records--since the 300 slot is empty, and the 400 mark is just 45.96!
Makwala turns 32 on March 22nd!
Natasha Hastings can grab the 300 record, since I don't have one right now!
Also, beginning November 24th, Ryan Whiting has an empty SP slot to fill!
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Murielle Ahoure has to speed a 60 in 7.02, or a 200 of 22.24!
Brenda Martinez has 3 marks to chase--the 1000 of 2:34.61, 1500 of 4:03.09, and the Mile of 4:22.66!
Yarisley Silva has a PV target of 15-7.25!
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Melissa Bishop (Don't have her new married name handy!!) has to run the 800 & 1000 in 1:57.48 and 2:32.21.
Kate Grace--that new Bowerman Babe!--has the 1500 of 4:00.72, and the Mile of 4:24.98, to go after!
Marie Josee Ta Lou--IF she competes INdoors--has an easy 200 time of 22.70 to run!
Ben Blankenship--beginning December 15th--can run a Mile of 3:54.49 for a Record!
The 60H time of 7.80 will be what Kristi Castlin, Nia Ali, and Queen Harrison will be wanting!
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This Age is "busier"!
Starting December 13th, Helen Obiri goes after the 3000 of 8:27.06, the 2 Mile of 9:18.35 (Jenny Simpson's!!), and the 5000 of 14:55.89!
Matthew Centowitz says he wants to run FAST times in 2018!
Hope INdoors is included!
His targets in the 1500 and Mile are 3:34.94 and 3:50.6!
Both Adam Kszczot and Erik Sowinski have an easy 600 time of 1:16.02 to chase!
Ekaterina Stefanidi has from February 4th to PV 15-11!
(Note her month & day are just one removed from that of Jenn Suhr--although their years are far apart!!)
Felicia Johnson and WR holder Gwen Berry will want a WT of 81-0.50!
Evan Jager has through March 7th to run a 3K (without hurdles & water pits!) of 7:32.78, a 2 Mile of 8:06.61, or a 5K of 13:02.95!
Gil Roberts has 300 & 400 targets of 32.37 and 44.66!
Pawel Wojcieckowski has to bring his Pole Vault PR to 19-9.50!
Joe Kovacs must throw the Shot Put 72-6.50 for the record!
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Will Genzebe Dibaba be in top Record-shattering form in 2018?
If so, her goals should include the 1500 (4:03.51), the Mile (4:24.53), the 2000 (5:39.30), and the 3000 (8:29.41).
But she only turns 27 on February 8th!
Winny Chebet has those 1500 & Mile times to chase, but only from December 20th.
Kyle Merber has from November 19th to run the 1500 in 3:34.20 or the Mile in 3:52.9!
Paul Chelimo will go after the longer distance times of 7:32.03, 8:07.39, and 13:01.26!
Both Darya Klishina and Ivana Spanovic have the same LJ number to chase--23-0.75!
Ms Stefanidi has through February 3rd to PV 15-11.75!
Tori Bowie must race times of 6.98 (60) and 22.50 (200) for Age records!
Christina Manning and Sharika Nelvis have the same target--Lolo Jones's 7.72!!
Sergey Shubenkov has his 60H target as 7.40!
And Christian Taylor must TJ 58-3.75!
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Genzebe D has through February 7th to run times of 3:58.80, 4:22.01, 5:34.52, and 8:24.46!
Mutaz Barshim must HJ 7-10.50.
Luvo Manyonga has a LJ target of 28-3.50!
Will Claye has a TJ mark of 58-2 to go after!
Casimir Loxsom has a soft 600 time of 1:16.5 to run for!
He turns 27 on March 16th!
Jasmine Stowers's 60H time is the WR (!) of 7.68!
Easy, eh?
Ameer Webb has to run a 200 of 20.42!
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Sifan Hassan has 1500 and Mile times of 3:56.46 and 4:13.31 to chase.
Tom Walsh (through February 28th), and Ryan Crouser (from December 18th on), have the SP mark of 73-0.50!
The 60 time is 6.93.
The runners chasing it are Elaine Thompson and Michelle Lee-Ahye!
Add Dafne Schippers to that list!
And give them all the 200 time of 22.16 as appetizers!
For Quanera Hayes and Phyllis Francis, try a 300 of 36.50 or a 400 of 50.41!
Elijah Manangoi has 1500 & Mile times of 3:33.77 and 3:51.35 to seek!
Will Katarina Johnson-Thompson do a Pentathlon?
Her target is 4851 points!
Kendra Harrison has a 60H time of 7.69 as her goal!
Andrew Pozzi will want a 60H time of 7.41.
The Vertical Jumps have some action here!
Sam Kendricks's PV mark is 19-9.25, while Sandi Morris's is 16-2.75!
Mariya Lasitskene has the HJ mark of 6-8.75 to chase, but only from January 14th!
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For Laura Muir and Faith Kipyegon (the latter as of January 10th), a 1500 in 4:04.42 and a Mile of 4:19.89 will suffice!
Ed Cheserek turns 24 on February 2nd!
His goal is a Mile in 3:51.8!
PPPP--aka Pablo Pedro Pichardo etc--seeks a TJ of 58-6!
Ms Lasitskene has until January 13th to HJ 6-8!
Deanna Price has a WT target of 80-0.25!
Darrell Hill has a SP mark of 71-6!
Muktar Edris has from January 14th to run 3K, 2 Mile, and 5K times of 7:26.14, 8:16.89, and 13:09.43!
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King Ches has through February 1st to run a Mile in 3:51.34!
Shaunae Miller-Uibo has through March 14th to race the 300 in 36.27, or the 400 in 50.57!
Courtney Okolo also has those marks as her targets!
Ajee Wilson's goals are a 600 of 1:25.46, and an 800 in 1:56.40!
Nijel Amos also has through March 14th to go after times of 1:15.83, 1:44.78, and 2:14.20!
If Nafi Thiam does a Pentathlon, her goal is 4991 points!!
Omar McLeod's 60H aim is "just" 7.34!
Jarrion Lawson has a LJ mark of 27-7.25 to go after!
Maggie Ewen's WT goal is 79-8.75!
And Kyra Jefferson's 200 time she wants is 22.26.
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Christian Coleman must wait until March 6th for 60 & 200 goals of 6.45 and 20.26.
Fred Kerley also has that 20.26, but adds the 400 time of 45.05!
And Emmanuel Korir--who turned Pro after his Frosh year of College!--also has that 45.05--but adds the triad of the 600 (1:15.80), 800 (1:44.57), and the 1000 (2:17.26)!!
Deajah Stevens--assuming she stays in her lane this time!!--has her 200 goal as 22.27!
Yulimar Rojas has a TJ mark of 49-0.25 to seek!
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Mr Coleman has until March 5th to race the 60 & 200 in 6.45 & 20.11 (his own records!!).
Gina Luckenkemper has from November 21st to sprint a 60 in 7.07, or a 200 in 22.43!
Ariana Washington has the same pair of goals!
Kendell Ellis has 300 & 400 targets of 36.33 and 49.88!
The height would be good PR's for them, but a 15-11.25 PV is what the "Weeks" twins (starting November 20th) and Eliza McCartney (beginning December 11th) want!
Konstanze Klosterhalfen must run times of 4:00.13 and 4:25.73 in the 1500 and Mile for Age 21 records!
But she has to wait until February 18th!!
BTW, Mary Cain is also Age 21!!
Just saying.
Raevyn Rogers--another new Pro!--has times of 1:26.22 (600), 1:58.9 (800), and 2:35.21 (1000) to chase!
Isaiah Harris will chase the 600 time of 1:14.97!
JCQ--aka Jasmine Camacho-Quinn--has to race the 60H in 7.77.
Maybe her lucky number!
Both Raven Saunders and Keturah Orji have "out there" targets in their respective events!
For Saunders, she must add over 4 FEET to her INdoor best in the SP, her target being 68-5!
Orji's mark is much closer to her current OUTdoor best, but still rare for her, a TJ of 48-6.25!
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Noah Lyles has a 200 time of 20.10, and a 300 time of 31.94 to chase!
KK has through February 17th (See Age 21!) to run the 1500 in 4:01.47, or the Mile in 4:23.50!
The HJ has a good cast of characters!
Vashti Cunningham (as of January 18th) and Yuliya Levchenko (from November 28th) have the height of 6-8.25.
Daniel Lysenko has his target as 7-10.
Konrad Bukowiecki has through March 16th to throw the SP out 70-6.25.
Wil London's times he wants are 31.94 and 45.02.
Donavan Brazier's goals are a 600 of 1:16.76, and an 800 in 1:44.52.
Tobi Amusan's 60H time she wants is 7.91.
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Candace Hill has from February 11th to race the 300 in 36.10, and the 400 in 50.82.
Same targets for Salwa Naser--IF she runs INdoors!!
Ms Cunningham has until January 17th to reach 6-6.75 in the HJ.
Wilma Murto's PV target is 15-1.
Alina Shukh--beginning February 12th--has a Pentathlon score of 4681 to go after!
So does Geraldine Ruckstuhl, but only until February 23rd!
Hang in there, friends--almost done!!
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Mondo Duplantis (Who's he?? LOL) has a real softie--a PV of 18-7.50!
Piece of cake!
Celiphine Chespol is a question mark as to whether she intends to run INdoors!
But if she does--4:03.28 (1500), 4:24.10 (Mile), 5:35.46 (2000), 8:33.56 (3K), 9:34.03 (2 Mile), and 14:53.99 (5000) are her goals!
She turns 19 on March 22nd!
Samantha (No more "Sammy", please!) Watson's time targets are 1:26.45 and 2:01.82.
Ms Hill's time goals (through February 10th) 36.56 and 50.88.
Same times Sydney McLaughlin might be seeking--IF these events are part of her "NO 400H in 2018!) program!!
Will she also branch out to the 600?
If so, she must run 1:26.45 for this Age record!
For Tara Davis, a 60H time of 8.00 and a LJ of 22-4 are her targets!
(McLaughlin also apparently will LJ this year, so give her that same 22-4 as her target there!)
Mykal Masso of Cuba has a LJ goal of 26-11.75!
Alina Shukh (See Age 19!) must score 4635 in the Pentathlon!
And Lisa Gunnarson has a PV height of 15-3.50 as her aim!
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One athlete, man, person!
His name is Tyrese Cooper!
His Age Record targets are multiple!
60 in 6.62.
200 in 20.83.
300 of 32.87--his own mark!!
400 in 45.24!
Heck, the dude LOVES to do doubles & triples!
Go for it, Tyrese!!
(He turns 18 on March 21st!)
Next post will be FULL coverage of the NCAA Cross Country Championships--plus the remaining NXN Regionals!
See you soon!
Thursday, November 16, 2017
INdoors 2018--Class Records (Collegiates)
And here's my Preview for the Collegiate possibilities for Class Records in the 2017-2018 INdoor T&F season.
With a few extra caveats!
The format will be the same as for the HS'ers.
List all the records for each Class--except here, instead of numerical Grades--they'll be listed as Frosh, Soph, Junior, Senior!
Pick which Class Records might be the easiest to break.
Name names of athletes capable of breaking them!
But sorry to say that I have very few names to give you---for reasons set forth below!
Also, while I've begun lists for the Collegiate 300's INdoors, my lists are incomplete--thus no Class Records!
The 1500 is missing some CR's too, but mainly because it's rarely run in the NCAA INdoors as a separate race, and few meets time at 1500 during Mile races!!
But Collegiate Class Record considerations brings with it certain "problems" not seen much (if at all!) with the younger set!
WHAT year (grade) is the athlete in?
In HS, you matriculate through in 4 years!
There are no 5th year (or even 6th year!) athletes!
So if a HS'er is a Senior in their 4th year, so should a Collegiate 4th year person!
But then they redshirt, and return as a "5th year Senior"!
Can they be Seniors TWICE??
And what about those 6th year freaks--like Conor McCullough was??
Senior THRICE??
Also, unlike 99.9999% of HS'ers, Collegiates are more likely to "go Pro" before graduation!
(Andre De Grasse, the Lyles Brothers, Jasmine Todd (& several other Oregon Ducks!), Emmanuel Korir, etc etc!)
Collegiates SHOULD be "4 years & done"--just like the HS'ers!
HS'ers (Weini Kelati was the outlier exception!) are normally 15 to 18--or 14 to 17, or just past their 19th birthday upon graduation!
But what about Collegiates who are well past the "normal" graduating age of 22 or 23?
Lots of examples of athletes being 24, 25, or even older!
Should Emmanuel Korir's Frosh Class marks in 2017 be considered for Frosh Class Records & Lists--since he was 21 years old then??
NO!!
Sorry for this rant, but I needed to "explain" why Collegiate Class Records are more difficult to classify--for the above reasons!!
Well, here we go--Men first!
Frosh--Men
6.54, 20.40, No 300 mark! (This goes for ALL the Classes for this event! Hope to have these soon!), 44.93, 1:14.97, 1:45.93, 2:19.53, No 1500 mark!, 3:55.02, 7:52.64, 13:41.89, 7.57, 7-6, 26-7.75, 55-8.25, 18-8.75, 65-10.50, 76-11, 5674
200, 1000, Mile, 3000, 5000, 60H, PV, SP, and Heptathlon are the softest targets!
Zach Shinnick is one to watch in the 300-600 range!
Brandon McGorty might be solid in the 800 & 1000.
Reed Brown, Cooper Teare, and Sam Worley cover the distances pretty well.
Trey Cunningham was amazing in HS!
Can he move up to the 42 inch hurdles without any glitches?
Vernon Turner HJ'ed 7-6 as a HS'er!
Can he match that this year?
Riley Richards & Zach McWhorter are solid PV'ers.
The SP & WT Frosh Class is LOADED!!
Jordan Geist, Tripp Piperi, Bronson Osborn, and Gabe Oladipo are potential Collegiate Record breakers, not just Frosh Class!!
Watch for them in the WT too!
Frosh--Women
7.11, 22.40, No 300 mark!, 50.88, 1:29.06, 2:03.01, 2:45.76, 4:22.78, 4:32.49, 8:58.88, 15:20.57, 7.98, 6-4.25, 21-5.25, 45-10.50, 15-2.25, 61-1.25, 68-11.75, 4635
400, 600, 800, 1000, 1500 (That Record should be at least 7 or 8--or even TEN!--seconds faster!!), Mile, 3000, 5000, 60H, LJ, WT are the best CR's to shoot for!
This Class has several HUGE names that cover many event categories!
Sydney McLaughlin, Samantha Watson, Alyssa Wilson, Symone Mason, and Tara Davis!
McLaughlin could get the 300 (Whatever that Record is!!) and 400!
Watson will chase every mark from the 600 to the 1000!
Wilson will have a tough time topping Raven Saunders's SP mark, but I'd give her at least 40-60 odds!
She's also good in the WT!
Mason is a solid all-around sprinter (60, 200, 300, 400), while Davis covers the 60H and LJ!
She'll have a tough time taking down Keturah Orji's TJ mark, but....!!!
The distances are LOADED too!
Brie Oakley, Nevada Mareno, Callie Logue, Kate Murphy (if she's healthy!), and Weini Kelati for starters!
(See note above about Ms Kelati! Is she too old to be eligible for Collegiate Frosh Class records??)
Davis has LJ'ed 21-11! That's almost 6 inches better than this CR!
Rachel Baxter & Carson Dingler are the PV'ers to watch!
Is Tyra Gittens in a US College?
If so, put her in the line for the Pentathlon Record!
Soph--Men
6.51, 20.10, No 300!, 44.57, 1:14.96, 1:44.84, No 1000!, 3:41.19, 3:55.33, 7:46.45, 13:08.28, 7.45, 7-7, 27-10.75, 56-7.50, 19-1.50, 71-3.50, 77-6, 6070
1500, 60H, WT
This set of Records are just too good--thus the short list of Record possibilities!
But try these on for size!
Maxwell Willis might do some damage in the 60 & 200.
Michael Norman (Did he turn Pro yet??) and Quincy Hall are top long sprint speedsters! However, that 400 Class Record is also the Collegiate Record--AND the World & American Records!!!
Michael Saruni ran sub-1:45 OUTdoors in 2017. He might have a shot at the 800 & 1000 marks!
Grant Holloway is probably the best of this Class!
He's great in the 60H and LJ, and has super potential in the Multi's!!
Chris Nilsen is the best PV'er.
Ja'Mari Ward has the Horizontals to himself!
Gleb Dudarev covers the Throws!
Soph--Women
7.12, 22.49, No 300!, 50.82, 1:28.78, 2:00.69, 2:43.15, No 1500!, 4:32.72, 9:02.05, 15:23.16, 7.90, 6-5.25, 21-11, 46-4, 15-1, 63-1.25, 75-7.50, 4678
Check off the 600, 800, 1000, Mile, 3000, 5000, 60H, and the LJ for Record potential!
This Class has mainly Distancers to recommend it!
But don't tell that to Anna Cockrell or Tonea Marshall!
Both could challenge the 60H Record, but aren't limited to that!
Cockrell has long sprint talent too--at least over hurdles OUTdoors!
So put her in the 300 or 400 and see what she can do!
As for Marshall, I'm waiting to see her top her HSR of 8.02!
Maybe this year??
For the shorter distances (600, 800, 1000, 1500, Mile), watch for Ruby Stauber, Ailiyah Miller, and Danae Rivers!
In the 3K and 5K, there could be some real rough-and-tumbles!!
The talent list includes Katie Rainsberger, Allie Ostrander, Anna Rohrer, Fiona O'Keefe, and Madie Boreman--who emerged as a solid Steeplechase talent last OUTdoor season!!
Kate Hall is the only Soph in that incredible Georgia Field Event Factory of Horizontal Leapers!!
Her HSR of 22-5 hasn't been topped yet, but with Orji and Tara Davis to train with, who knows her (or their!!) limits!!
She's fast too, but probably not a Record breaker in the sprints!
(Maybe a Pentathlon??)
Junior--Men
6.45, 20.11, No 300!, 45.03, 1:15.88, 1:45.88, No 1000!, 3:38.60, 3:54.74, 7:40.57, 13:26.01, 7.50, 7-7.75, 27-4, 56-11.50, 19-4.75, 70-6.25, 80-0.25, No Hept mark!
Easiest targets are the 600, 800, 1500, Mile, 5000, and the WT!
Isaiah Harris ran almost a full second faster as a Soph in the 600!! Maybe the World Record in 2018??
Just as in XC, Grant Fisher and Justyn Knight should have some fantastic battles lying ahead!
If they run them on 200 meter tracks, that 5000 CR is history!!
But which one will prevail??
(Put them down for EVERY Record from the 1500 on up!!)
Deakin Volz is a VERY good PV'er, but maybe not ready yet to go over 5.90!!
Adam Kelly should be the overall Collegiate leader in the Weight Throw!
Junior--Women
7.07, 22.42, No 300!, 50.80, 1:29.00, 2:01.69, 2:44.52, 4:12.18, 4:29.44, 8:58.14, 15:19.14, 7.78, 6-6, 22-8, 46-11.75, 14-10.75, 64-2.25, 83-10.25, 4703
I'd love to see some (or all 4!) of the Women's 200 Class Records go down!
I'm still amazed that they all fall within 0.09 seconds of each other--the narrowest margin of any group of CR's--Men or Women--I believe!!
But this Class doesn't seem to have any top tier sprinters!
(NOTE: I'm only including names of athletes I'm at least 95% certain they are still competing as amateurs!!)
A strong trio leads the Distances--from the 1500 through the 5000!
Dani Jones, Tessa Barrett, and Katherine Receveur are the best this Class has to offer!
It's interesting, because all 3 will be facing off against Karissa Schweizer in the NCAA XC--and it's Schweizer's 5000 CR they will be shooting for INdoors!!
Dior Hall was befallen with injuries last year, but hopefully this year will see her return to her HS glory days!!
She has Record-setting potential in the 60H!
She just needs to stay healthy!
Forgive me for not having their new MARRIED names handy, so let's call Tori & Lexi the Weeks twins again!!
(A temporary faux pas! LOL)
Both of them (Flip a coin!) are STRONG candidates to make this Class Record a 15 footer--just like the other 3 are!!
This lone hold-out NEEDS to be taken down!!
And these sisters can do the job--and then some!!
But they better keep their eye on Olivia Gruver, who just might beat them to it!!
Yanis David is the Horizontalist here!
And Kaylee Hinton should lead this class in the Pentathlon!
Senior--Men
6.45, 20.26, No 300!, 44.85, 1:15.79, 1:45.33, 2:18.26, 3:37.01, 3:52.01, 7:38.59, 13:13.74, 7.47, 7-9.25, 28-2.25, 57-5, 19-2.25, 71-3.50, 83-11.25, 6499
Best Class Record potential is in the 60, 200, 600, and 1000.
Many of these CR's are the overall Collegiate Records!
And there just aren't many Seniors still competing as Amateurs capable of breaking them!
Cameron Burrell has the family pedigree to dominate the sprints!!
But Kenzo Cotton will keep him within view!
The PV has a strong duo in Devin King and Audie Wyatt!
Can they get this Record?
Don't say NO! too fast!!
Damarcus Simpson is the best LJ'er, while Eric Sloan is the same for the TJ.
Senior--Women
7.08, 22.43, No 300!, 50.46, 1:27.39, 2:00.75, 2:40.79, 4:09.77, 4:25.91, 8:42.03, 15:12.22, 7.84, 6-6, 22-8, 46-9, 15-7, 63-0.75, 83-11.75, 4682
I see the 60, 200, 400, 1500, Mile, 5000, TJ, SP, and maybe the Pentathlon as having the best chances for breaking!
Hannah Cunliffe could take down her own Collegiate Record (the Junior Class mark!) in the 60.
She also has solid 200 potential.
Kendell Ellis returns in the 400, with a sub-50 a real possibility!
The Distance crew here aren't really known for their 800 speed!
But watch for Records to be challenged in the 1500, Mile, and 5000 by Elise Cranny, Amy Eloise-Neale, Sharon Lokedi, and Ms Schweizer!
(FloTrack has a great 15 minute video about Schweizer--and it's FREE!! Check it out!!
Even has baby pictures!! LOL)
If Lokedi and Schweizer--and Women from the other Classes (Ostrander, et al)--go after the Collegiate Record in the 5000, it will fall!
And I would NOT bet against one of them going under 15:00 in the process!!
Keturah Orji has TJ'ed 48-3.25 OUTdoors!!
That 46-9 appears as Middle School-level in comparison!!
Raven Saunders can take down her own Collegiate Record here in the SP.
She's improving in the WT too, but not enough to challenge this Record!
Jessica Woodard also has a 60 footer to her name in the SP.
Will she improve--and by how much??
The Pentathlon has a solid duo here in Taliyah Brooks and Peyton Stumbaugh!!
Well, that's it for my Class Record Preview!
Before I leave, I want to give some numbers comparing 2017 to 2016 in regards to CR's.
In 2016--INdoors of course--there were a total of 39 Class Records broken--Collegiate & HS combined!
Of those, 15 were by Men, while the Women broke 24!!
In 2017, that Grand Total rose to 48!!
Broken down, 17 went to the Males, while Females broke 31.
By Grade--
9th Grade
Men got the WT, while Women got the 1000.
10th Grade
The Men--Actually ONE Man (Ty Cooper!!) got the 200, 300 & 400!
Women broke the 400, 3000, 2 Mile, and the TJ.
11th Grade
Duplantis got the PV mark, and the Pentathlon record also fell.
No Women in this Class got records!
12th Grade
Only Trey Cunningham got a CR here, the 60H.
But the Women were VERY busy!!
McLaughlin nabbed the 300 & 400.
Watson got the 600, 800, and 1000.
Kate Murphy got the 3000, while Brie Oakley destroyed the 5000 mark!
Tara Davis got the LJ, while Alyssa Wilson took down the SP mark!
The Collegiates--
Frosh
Emmanuel Korir has the 600 mark, while Gleb Dudarev has the WT.
Danae Rivers got the Women's 600, Ruby Stauber the 800, and Anna Cockrell the 60H.
Soph
Kendell Williams tied the 60 CR, while Mr Harris got the 600!
For the Women, Jazmine Fray nabbed the 800, while Lexi Weeks got the PV mark.
Junior
The 60 & 200 went to Christian Coleman, while Daniel Kuhn got the 600!
This Women's Class has the most CR's from 2017--
Cunliffe in the 60, Ariana Washington in the 200, S Henderson in the 600, Raevyn Rogers in the 800, Curboswa (sp??) in the 1000, Elinor Purrier in the Mile, Schweizer got the 5K, Orji the TJ, and Saunders the SP!!
Senior
Fred Kerley destroyed the 400 mark.
King Ches got the 1500 & Mile!
The Women saw Hanna Green get the 600, Kaela Edwards the 1000, and Kendell Williams the Pentathlon!
Can we get to FIFTY Class Records in 2018??
HS PRO Senior Class Records fell to Candace Hill in the 60, 300, and 400!!
WHEW!!
See you soon with more Previews--and my DETAILED report on the NCAA XC!!
With a few extra caveats!
The format will be the same as for the HS'ers.
List all the records for each Class--except here, instead of numerical Grades--they'll be listed as Frosh, Soph, Junior, Senior!
Pick which Class Records might be the easiest to break.
Name names of athletes capable of breaking them!
But sorry to say that I have very few names to give you---for reasons set forth below!
Also, while I've begun lists for the Collegiate 300's INdoors, my lists are incomplete--thus no Class Records!
The 1500 is missing some CR's too, but mainly because it's rarely run in the NCAA INdoors as a separate race, and few meets time at 1500 during Mile races!!
But Collegiate Class Record considerations brings with it certain "problems" not seen much (if at all!) with the younger set!
WHAT year (grade) is the athlete in?
In HS, you matriculate through in 4 years!
There are no 5th year (or even 6th year!) athletes!
So if a HS'er is a Senior in their 4th year, so should a Collegiate 4th year person!
But then they redshirt, and return as a "5th year Senior"!
Can they be Seniors TWICE??
And what about those 6th year freaks--like Conor McCullough was??
Senior THRICE??
Also, unlike 99.9999% of HS'ers, Collegiates are more likely to "go Pro" before graduation!
(Andre De Grasse, the Lyles Brothers, Jasmine Todd (& several other Oregon Ducks!), Emmanuel Korir, etc etc!)
Collegiates SHOULD be "4 years & done"--just like the HS'ers!
HS'ers (Weini Kelati was the outlier exception!) are normally 15 to 18--or 14 to 17, or just past their 19th birthday upon graduation!
But what about Collegiates who are well past the "normal" graduating age of 22 or 23?
Lots of examples of athletes being 24, 25, or even older!
Should Emmanuel Korir's Frosh Class marks in 2017 be considered for Frosh Class Records & Lists--since he was 21 years old then??
NO!!
Sorry for this rant, but I needed to "explain" why Collegiate Class Records are more difficult to classify--for the above reasons!!
Well, here we go--Men first!
Frosh--Men
6.54, 20.40, No 300 mark! (This goes for ALL the Classes for this event! Hope to have these soon!), 44.93, 1:14.97, 1:45.93, 2:19.53, No 1500 mark!, 3:55.02, 7:52.64, 13:41.89, 7.57, 7-6, 26-7.75, 55-8.25, 18-8.75, 65-10.50, 76-11, 5674
200, 1000, Mile, 3000, 5000, 60H, PV, SP, and Heptathlon are the softest targets!
Zach Shinnick is one to watch in the 300-600 range!
Brandon McGorty might be solid in the 800 & 1000.
Reed Brown, Cooper Teare, and Sam Worley cover the distances pretty well.
Trey Cunningham was amazing in HS!
Can he move up to the 42 inch hurdles without any glitches?
Vernon Turner HJ'ed 7-6 as a HS'er!
Can he match that this year?
Riley Richards & Zach McWhorter are solid PV'ers.
The SP & WT Frosh Class is LOADED!!
Jordan Geist, Tripp Piperi, Bronson Osborn, and Gabe Oladipo are potential Collegiate Record breakers, not just Frosh Class!!
Watch for them in the WT too!
Frosh--Women
7.11, 22.40, No 300 mark!, 50.88, 1:29.06, 2:03.01, 2:45.76, 4:22.78, 4:32.49, 8:58.88, 15:20.57, 7.98, 6-4.25, 21-5.25, 45-10.50, 15-2.25, 61-1.25, 68-11.75, 4635
400, 600, 800, 1000, 1500 (That Record should be at least 7 or 8--or even TEN!--seconds faster!!), Mile, 3000, 5000, 60H, LJ, WT are the best CR's to shoot for!
This Class has several HUGE names that cover many event categories!
Sydney McLaughlin, Samantha Watson, Alyssa Wilson, Symone Mason, and Tara Davis!
McLaughlin could get the 300 (Whatever that Record is!!) and 400!
Watson will chase every mark from the 600 to the 1000!
Wilson will have a tough time topping Raven Saunders's SP mark, but I'd give her at least 40-60 odds!
She's also good in the WT!
Mason is a solid all-around sprinter (60, 200, 300, 400), while Davis covers the 60H and LJ!
She'll have a tough time taking down Keturah Orji's TJ mark, but....!!!
The distances are LOADED too!
Brie Oakley, Nevada Mareno, Callie Logue, Kate Murphy (if she's healthy!), and Weini Kelati for starters!
(See note above about Ms Kelati! Is she too old to be eligible for Collegiate Frosh Class records??)
Davis has LJ'ed 21-11! That's almost 6 inches better than this CR!
Rachel Baxter & Carson Dingler are the PV'ers to watch!
Is Tyra Gittens in a US College?
If so, put her in the line for the Pentathlon Record!
Soph--Men
6.51, 20.10, No 300!, 44.57, 1:14.96, 1:44.84, No 1000!, 3:41.19, 3:55.33, 7:46.45, 13:08.28, 7.45, 7-7, 27-10.75, 56-7.50, 19-1.50, 71-3.50, 77-6, 6070
1500, 60H, WT
This set of Records are just too good--thus the short list of Record possibilities!
But try these on for size!
Maxwell Willis might do some damage in the 60 & 200.
Michael Norman (Did he turn Pro yet??) and Quincy Hall are top long sprint speedsters! However, that 400 Class Record is also the Collegiate Record--AND the World & American Records!!!
Michael Saruni ran sub-1:45 OUTdoors in 2017. He might have a shot at the 800 & 1000 marks!
Grant Holloway is probably the best of this Class!
He's great in the 60H and LJ, and has super potential in the Multi's!!
Chris Nilsen is the best PV'er.
Ja'Mari Ward has the Horizontals to himself!
Gleb Dudarev covers the Throws!
Soph--Women
7.12, 22.49, No 300!, 50.82, 1:28.78, 2:00.69, 2:43.15, No 1500!, 4:32.72, 9:02.05, 15:23.16, 7.90, 6-5.25, 21-11, 46-4, 15-1, 63-1.25, 75-7.50, 4678
Check off the 600, 800, 1000, Mile, 3000, 5000, 60H, and the LJ for Record potential!
This Class has mainly Distancers to recommend it!
But don't tell that to Anna Cockrell or Tonea Marshall!
Both could challenge the 60H Record, but aren't limited to that!
Cockrell has long sprint talent too--at least over hurdles OUTdoors!
So put her in the 300 or 400 and see what she can do!
As for Marshall, I'm waiting to see her top her HSR of 8.02!
Maybe this year??
For the shorter distances (600, 800, 1000, 1500, Mile), watch for Ruby Stauber, Ailiyah Miller, and Danae Rivers!
In the 3K and 5K, there could be some real rough-and-tumbles!!
The talent list includes Katie Rainsberger, Allie Ostrander, Anna Rohrer, Fiona O'Keefe, and Madie Boreman--who emerged as a solid Steeplechase talent last OUTdoor season!!
Kate Hall is the only Soph in that incredible Georgia Field Event Factory of Horizontal Leapers!!
Her HSR of 22-5 hasn't been topped yet, but with Orji and Tara Davis to train with, who knows her (or their!!) limits!!
She's fast too, but probably not a Record breaker in the sprints!
(Maybe a Pentathlon??)
Junior--Men
6.45, 20.11, No 300!, 45.03, 1:15.88, 1:45.88, No 1000!, 3:38.60, 3:54.74, 7:40.57, 13:26.01, 7.50, 7-7.75, 27-4, 56-11.50, 19-4.75, 70-6.25, 80-0.25, No Hept mark!
Easiest targets are the 600, 800, 1500, Mile, 5000, and the WT!
Isaiah Harris ran almost a full second faster as a Soph in the 600!! Maybe the World Record in 2018??
Just as in XC, Grant Fisher and Justyn Knight should have some fantastic battles lying ahead!
If they run them on 200 meter tracks, that 5000 CR is history!!
But which one will prevail??
(Put them down for EVERY Record from the 1500 on up!!)
Deakin Volz is a VERY good PV'er, but maybe not ready yet to go over 5.90!!
Adam Kelly should be the overall Collegiate leader in the Weight Throw!
Junior--Women
7.07, 22.42, No 300!, 50.80, 1:29.00, 2:01.69, 2:44.52, 4:12.18, 4:29.44, 8:58.14, 15:19.14, 7.78, 6-6, 22-8, 46-11.75, 14-10.75, 64-2.25, 83-10.25, 4703
I'd love to see some (or all 4!) of the Women's 200 Class Records go down!
I'm still amazed that they all fall within 0.09 seconds of each other--the narrowest margin of any group of CR's--Men or Women--I believe!!
But this Class doesn't seem to have any top tier sprinters!
(NOTE: I'm only including names of athletes I'm at least 95% certain they are still competing as amateurs!!)
A strong trio leads the Distances--from the 1500 through the 5000!
Dani Jones, Tessa Barrett, and Katherine Receveur are the best this Class has to offer!
It's interesting, because all 3 will be facing off against Karissa Schweizer in the NCAA XC--and it's Schweizer's 5000 CR they will be shooting for INdoors!!
Dior Hall was befallen with injuries last year, but hopefully this year will see her return to her HS glory days!!
She has Record-setting potential in the 60H!
She just needs to stay healthy!
Forgive me for not having their new MARRIED names handy, so let's call Tori & Lexi the Weeks twins again!!
(A temporary faux pas! LOL)
Both of them (Flip a coin!) are STRONG candidates to make this Class Record a 15 footer--just like the other 3 are!!
This lone hold-out NEEDS to be taken down!!
And these sisters can do the job--and then some!!
But they better keep their eye on Olivia Gruver, who just might beat them to it!!
Yanis David is the Horizontalist here!
And Kaylee Hinton should lead this class in the Pentathlon!
Senior--Men
6.45, 20.26, No 300!, 44.85, 1:15.79, 1:45.33, 2:18.26, 3:37.01, 3:52.01, 7:38.59, 13:13.74, 7.47, 7-9.25, 28-2.25, 57-5, 19-2.25, 71-3.50, 83-11.25, 6499
Best Class Record potential is in the 60, 200, 600, and 1000.
Many of these CR's are the overall Collegiate Records!
And there just aren't many Seniors still competing as Amateurs capable of breaking them!
Cameron Burrell has the family pedigree to dominate the sprints!!
But Kenzo Cotton will keep him within view!
The PV has a strong duo in Devin King and Audie Wyatt!
Can they get this Record?
Don't say NO! too fast!!
Damarcus Simpson is the best LJ'er, while Eric Sloan is the same for the TJ.
Senior--Women
7.08, 22.43, No 300!, 50.46, 1:27.39, 2:00.75, 2:40.79, 4:09.77, 4:25.91, 8:42.03, 15:12.22, 7.84, 6-6, 22-8, 46-9, 15-7, 63-0.75, 83-11.75, 4682
I see the 60, 200, 400, 1500, Mile, 5000, TJ, SP, and maybe the Pentathlon as having the best chances for breaking!
Hannah Cunliffe could take down her own Collegiate Record (the Junior Class mark!) in the 60.
She also has solid 200 potential.
Kendell Ellis returns in the 400, with a sub-50 a real possibility!
The Distance crew here aren't really known for their 800 speed!
But watch for Records to be challenged in the 1500, Mile, and 5000 by Elise Cranny, Amy Eloise-Neale, Sharon Lokedi, and Ms Schweizer!
(FloTrack has a great 15 minute video about Schweizer--and it's FREE!! Check it out!!
Even has baby pictures!! LOL)
If Lokedi and Schweizer--and Women from the other Classes (Ostrander, et al)--go after the Collegiate Record in the 5000, it will fall!
And I would NOT bet against one of them going under 15:00 in the process!!
Keturah Orji has TJ'ed 48-3.25 OUTdoors!!
That 46-9 appears as Middle School-level in comparison!!
Raven Saunders can take down her own Collegiate Record here in the SP.
She's improving in the WT too, but not enough to challenge this Record!
Jessica Woodard also has a 60 footer to her name in the SP.
Will she improve--and by how much??
The Pentathlon has a solid duo here in Taliyah Brooks and Peyton Stumbaugh!!
Well, that's it for my Class Record Preview!
Before I leave, I want to give some numbers comparing 2017 to 2016 in regards to CR's.
In 2016--INdoors of course--there were a total of 39 Class Records broken--Collegiate & HS combined!
Of those, 15 were by Men, while the Women broke 24!!
In 2017, that Grand Total rose to 48!!
Broken down, 17 went to the Males, while Females broke 31.
By Grade--
9th Grade
Men got the WT, while Women got the 1000.
10th Grade
The Men--Actually ONE Man (Ty Cooper!!) got the 200, 300 & 400!
Women broke the 400, 3000, 2 Mile, and the TJ.
11th Grade
Duplantis got the PV mark, and the Pentathlon record also fell.
No Women in this Class got records!
12th Grade
Only Trey Cunningham got a CR here, the 60H.
But the Women were VERY busy!!
McLaughlin nabbed the 300 & 400.
Watson got the 600, 800, and 1000.
Kate Murphy got the 3000, while Brie Oakley destroyed the 5000 mark!
Tara Davis got the LJ, while Alyssa Wilson took down the SP mark!
The Collegiates--
Frosh
Emmanuel Korir has the 600 mark, while Gleb Dudarev has the WT.
Danae Rivers got the Women's 600, Ruby Stauber the 800, and Anna Cockrell the 60H.
Soph
Kendell Williams tied the 60 CR, while Mr Harris got the 600!
For the Women, Jazmine Fray nabbed the 800, while Lexi Weeks got the PV mark.
Junior
The 60 & 200 went to Christian Coleman, while Daniel Kuhn got the 600!
This Women's Class has the most CR's from 2017--
Cunliffe in the 60, Ariana Washington in the 200, S Henderson in the 600, Raevyn Rogers in the 800, Curboswa (sp??) in the 1000, Elinor Purrier in the Mile, Schweizer got the 5K, Orji the TJ, and Saunders the SP!!
Senior
Fred Kerley destroyed the 400 mark.
King Ches got the 1500 & Mile!
The Women saw Hanna Green get the 600, Kaela Edwards the 1000, and Kendell Williams the Pentathlon!
Can we get to FIFTY Class Records in 2018??
HS PRO Senior Class Records fell to Candace Hill in the 60, 300, and 400!!
WHEW!!
See you soon with more Previews--and my DETAILED report on the NCAA XC!!
INdoors 2018--Class Records (HS)
We are ONE day removed from the first INdoor meet of the 2017-2018 T&F season!
My series of Previews began with a full Schedule!
Now we turn to Class Records.
Why are Class Records important?
For High Schoolers, going after--or breaking!--a Class Record means you'll become the best ever that a 9th Grader (or 10th, 11th, 12th) has done in the entire history of HS T&F--in this case, the Indoor version!
After 4 years, upon graduation, you can look back and see if you progressed--breaking higher Grade CR's--and remember why you did--or didn't!
You can also--as you prepare for your Collegiate career--measure yourself against what's needed to become a Class Record holder in your new arena!
And for us, the observers, seeing CR's broken gets us excited about the potential of particular athletes--and turns our thoughts to whether they're so good, maybe they should "Go Pro!" instead of competing for their chosen school!
Enough!
A few Notes to help guide you through the morass of numbers & names I'm about to provide---
This post covers the 4 Grades of High School.
(My next Preview will do the same for the College crowd!)
Records for the Men's 60H, SP, and WT, as well as the Pentathlon, use HS implements & hurdle heights!
(The Women use the same hurdle heights and implement weights as they will in College and beyond, in their Professional career!)
After listing the records for each grade (Just the records--no names or dates!), I will "predict" which records might fall, followed by a list of names who might break them!
That said, certain "detours" might pop up!
Oversize Tracks--my Number One rant subject for INdoors!
1600's & 3200's instead of Mile & 2 Mile!
No enroute 1500 times taken in Mile races!
Athletes deciding not to compete INdoors, or in events where records are vulnerable--or coaches preventing them from record attempts for reasons of strategy or "team first" mentality!!
But as I said, enough!!
Each grade done separately, with Men first!
9th Grade--Men
6.78, 21.22, 34.58, 47.97, 1:20.97, 1:55.45, 2:33.98, 4:01.09, 4:15.43, 8:23.80, 8:57.44, 14:18.42, 8.03, 6-8, 24-5, 46-9, 16-9.50, 66-7.25, 71-3.50, 2664
"Easiest" records??
600, 800, 1000, 1500 (See note above about enroute times NOT being taken--this mark should be 3 or 4 seconds faster, based on the existing Mile record!), HJ, LJ, TJ (All 3 jumps are AWFUL, when compared to the 10th Grade records!!), and the Pentathlon--another ridiculous mark!! Should be at least 3000 points!!
As I've often said, predicting Frosh Class records for HS'ers is very difficult--mostly for the Men, as it's rare to find Middle School guys good enough to see them as Frosh Class record seekers, while Women are more likely to be of HS level quality a year or 2 before entering HS! (See Grace Ping & Tamari Davis!)
Thus, I have no names to offer here!
9th Grade--Women
7.37, 23.55, 38.53, 53.23, 1:30.1, 2:06.48, 2:47.86, 4:24.4, 4:40.1, 9:41.73, 10:23.46, 17:08.45 (But 7th Grader ran 16:43.02!!), 8.35, 5-10, 19-7, 41-2, 12-9.50, 45-7.25, 57-3, 3561
200, 300, 600, 1000, 1500, 3000, 2 Mile, 5000 (The 16:43.02!! And of course the "real" CR!), LJ, PV, and the SP!
Isn't it about time that PV mark went over 13 feet??
I DO have some names to offer here!!
(See above note!)
In the sprints, there's Tamari and Kayla Davis--no relation!!
Tamari has already proven herself, running 23.21 OUTdoors this year!
Kayla has tremendous talent!
She's also good at longer "sprints", like the 300 to the 500!
Ramiah Elliott is someone else to watch!
For the 600 through the 800, watch for Jinah Mickens-Malik.
Of greatest potential comes the Ping sisters, Grace (9th) & Lauren (7th).
Grace already has run 16:25 for 5000 OUTdoors!
Compare to the current Frosh Class record(s)!!
Look for her (them!!) in all events from the Mile to the 5000!!
10th Grade--Men
6.67, 21.05, 32.87, 46.01, 1:19.05, 1:51.11, 2:27.59, 3:52.5, 4:09.82, 8:09.86, 8:42.66, 14:54.27, 7.83, 7-2, 25-8.25, 50-2.50, 18-0.50, 70-5, 75-0.50, 3785
Best hopes are for the 600, 800, 1000, 5000 (Pathetically SLOW, in contrast to the Frosh Class mark!! Someone PLEASE destroy this record--like by 30 seconds!!), LJ, TJ, and the Pentathlon marks to fall!
Jaykob (Lots of different ways Jacob is spelled nowadays!! LOL) Hernandez and Marcellus Moore are 2 guys to watch in the sprints!
Sean Burrell might be best in the 300 to 500 range!
Brandon Miller might be the Soph Class AOY, based on what he did as a Frosh OUTdoors this year!
The 800 & 1000 are his for the taking!!
If Miller stumbles, watch for HJ'er Trey Tintinger to reign supreme!
Trey Knight broke the Frosh Class record in the Weight Throw, but reaching 75 feet??
Maybe!
10th Grade--Women
7.29, 23.39, 37.49, 53.25, 1:28.78, 2:01.8, 2:47.27, 4:24.25, 4:43.23, 9:26.28, 10:12.94, 16:37.50, 8.17, 6-0.75, 20-5.75, 42-6.75, 13-6, 49-1.25, 58-11, 3846
400, 1000, 1500, Mile, 3000, 2 Mile, 5000, HJ, LJ, SP, and maybe the Pentathlon have good chances to go down!
In the dashes, watch for Brianna Williams and Alicia Burnett.
Kimberly Harris could be the one to watch in the 300-500 category!
Athena Mu is the top girl in the 600-800 realm.
The distances--from the 1500 through the 5000--are LOADED!!!
(That's why I've predicted EVERY Class Record is more than vulnerable here--If these Women take SERIOUS shots, these records will not just fall, they'll be CRUSHED!!)
The "front" group are Katelyn Tuohy, Lexy Halladay, London Culbreath, and Katelynne Hart!
But watch the "rear guard"--Taylor Roe, Taryn Parks, and Mary Hennelly, a proven Steeplechaser OUTdoors!!
The 60H have Jasmine Jones and Markalah Hart, the latter of whom might also be good at the 300 & 400!
Watch for Taylor Ewart to continue racking up records in the Walks!
(She also RUNS pretty good!! Hmmmm!!)
The HJ has Jenna Rogers and Morgan Smalls!
Rogers got Vashti Cunningham's OUTdoor Frosh Class mark in 2017!!
Mia Manson could shine in the PV!
11th grade--Men
6.64, 20.83, 33.32, 46.88, 1:17.64, 1:49.94, 2:23.56, 3:47.60, 4:02.21, 8:07.54, 8:40.70, 13:57.04, 7.59, 7-5.25, 25-9.25, 51-8.25, 19-1, 72-9.50, 87-10.75, 4150
Best chances for new CR's are in the 200, 300, 400, and the PV (HA HA, just joking!! Mondo has this one nailed down till the 22nd Century or thereabouts!!).
Tyrese Cooper!
Either the next Usain Bolt--or Wayde Van Niekerk, as he's best in the longer sprints!--or a burnout from over-racing before he's 20!!
This Man has T-A-L-E-N-T!!
He's already run faster--as a Soph!--than his older brethren did here!!
So the 200, 300, and 400 are his!
Only question--barring disaster!--is by how much!!
In fact, the overall HSR's are possible--THIS season!!
But he might have company in the name of Brian Herron!
Watch also for Kennedy Lightner.
The distances (800-5000) have Alex Maier and Ryan Oosting.
Jason Moscoso is the Walker to watch!
Look for Anthony Riley in the Horizontals!
Jacob Farland is a good WT man!
There are 2 possibilities in the Pentathlon--Anthony Bryan and Yariel Soto!
11th Grade--Women
7.24, 23.23, 37.60, 51.84, 1:29.53, 2:04.96, 2:45.32, 4:11.72, 4:28.25, 9:04.51, 9:38.68, 16:19.69, 8.17, 6-1, 21-4, 42-5.50, 14-0, 54-11, 65-4.25, 3827
Softest targets??
Try the 60, 200, 300, 600, 1000, 1500, Mile, 3000, 2 Mile, 5000, 60H, TJ, and the Pentathlon!
Yes, Mary Cain's "untouchable" HSR's (1500, Mile, 3K & 2 Mile) ARE included here!
You might agree when you see the names I'm about to list!!
The sprints have Thelma Davies leading a fair-sized group of speedsters--including Rosaline Effiong, Alexis Brown, Arria Minor, Kaller Collins, and Alsaya Wilson.
Minor is better even in the 300 to 500 range!
But Sterling Lester and Britton Wilson are also good there.
The 600 & 800 have Gianni Napoleon and Morgan Foster.
The Keys to Cain's Kingdom (Or is that QUEENdom?? LOL) are Kelsey Chmiel and Claudia Lane!
Chmiel ran 9:18 OUTdoors this year as a Soph in the 3000!!
And she's been a Record breaker since Middle School!
If she gets in the right races (Against some Pro's??), and is healthy, Ms Mary might be minus a HSR or 2 or 3 or 4!!!
But Lane might be an even BIGGER threat!!
Incredible, huh??!!
Rebecca Story could give them a go for more than a few laps!
Watch also for Rylee Bowen, Sarah Trainor, and Olivia Howell.
If Tia Jones can convert her OUTdoor 12.84 100H HSR to the INdoor 60H, the latter record could see the first sub-8.00!!
Grace Stark, Shadajah Ballard, and Kori Carter (Kori Monster's namesake! LOL) are others to watch here!
Sydney Banks and Anna Hall could dominate the HJ!
Jasmine Moore is a Horizontalist SuperStar in the making!
But Alexia Brown, Nyla Ward, Caroline Johnston, and Shatara Johnson are others to watch for!
Erica Ellis, the one-time Jenn Suhr protege, could be the best PV'er!
Watch also for Chloe Cunliffe (She's from WA state, but not sure if she's related to UO's Hannah!!), Mackenzie Hayward, and Laurel Wong!
While there are ZERO 50 footers returning in the SP, Chloe Lindeman could reach that level!
Annika Kelly and Danielle Gregory are the WT'ers to watch!
The Junior Class in the Pentathlon has a quartet to watch for--led by Tiarra Crockrell!
But watch too for Sterling Lester, Annika Williams, and Anna Hall!
12th Grade--Men
6.57, 20.63, 33.65, 45.92, 1:17.58, 1:49.21, 2:22.28, 3:41.93, 3:57.81, 7:59.33, 8:39.15, 14:19.83, 7.40, 7-5, 26-6.50, 52-7.50, 17-11.25, 77-2.50 (& 68-4 for the 16 pounder!), 93-3.25 (& 65-8.25 for the Pro-weighted WT!), 4307
I'm seeing the 60 (See note below about Anthony Schwartz!), 300, 400, 800, 1000, 2 Mile, 5000, PV, and the Pentathlon as having the best chances for a new Class Record!
Is Mr Schwartz going to run as an amateur HS'er his Senior year??
For the life of me, I can't recall if he's already turned Pro, or is healthy again, or what!!
IF he's still an amateur HS'er, add the 60 & 200 to my list of Class Records that are vulnerable!!
Kalon Barnes, Kasean Carter, and Keishawn Everly are other good sprinters!
Same questions for Jamal Walton as for Mr Schwartz!
His 44.99 OUTdoor 400 bodes VERY well for SUPER times INdoors in the 300, 400, and maybe even the 600!!
The distances should be led by Brodey Hasty, he of the hippie-ish mass of GREAT hair!!
(Best since the days of the pre-bun Evan Jager!! LOL)
Joey Hoey should be the leader on the lower end of the distance scale--meaning the 800 & 1000.
Also look for Alex Scales, Andy Monroe, Gabe Findel, Dalton Hengst, Cole Johnson (the OUTdoor Frosh Class Record holder in the Mile!), Dylan Jacobs, and Joshua Schumacher, whom I believe is one of Jerry's kids!!
Eric Edwards could be the best 60H guy--overall, not just for the Senior Class!!
Thomas Burns is also VERY good, but best at the longer OUTdoor hurdles!!
(Watch for him in the 300, 400, and 600??)
Cameron Murray and Noah Green also have talent here!
Eduardo Uria is the best Walker!
Kyle Garland's best Pentathlon event is the HJ, so watch for him in both!
Tyler Crook and Nate Patterson are also good HJ'ers.
The Horizontals have Donovan Louis, Frank Nash, CJ Moore, Jequan Hogan, and DJ Henderson!
KC Lightfoot could challenge the 18 foot mark in the PV!
But Mondo should be making NINETEEN feet a regular occurrence!!
(Poor Mr Lightfoot!! LOL)
Zach Bradford and Colton Crum are 17 footers to watch!
The years of Tripp Piperi and Jordan Geist as HS icons are over!!
No one is within 2 feet of 70 feet now--let alone 73 and 74 or more!!
The next 70 guys might be Otito Ogbonnia, Tyson Jones, John Mayer, Joshua Sobota, and Nick Phelps!
Ian Frost might lead the WT.
Garland, as noted, is GREAT in the Pentathlon!
Can he get the HSR here??
Watch also for Ayden Owens, Isaiah Muton, and Anthony Bryan!!
12th Grade--Women
7.19, 22.97, 36.82, 51.61, 1:27.13, 2:01.78, 2:40.72, 4:17.68, 4:36.61, 9:14.12, 9:55.92, 15:55.75, 8.02, 6-6.25, 21-11, 44-6.75, 14-4, 57-5.50, 68-2.50, 4068
Records that might go include the 200, 600, 800, 1000, 3000, 2 Mile, LJ, TJ, and the WT
Lanae Tava-Thomas should be the favorite in the sprints and the LJ!
But Kynnedy Flannel and Sha'Carri Richardson are other speedsters to watch!
Kennedy Simon is the best in the 300-500 range!
Caitlin Collier is THIS close to entering SuperStud-dom in the middle distances!
She's the one to watch in the 600, 800, and 1000.
Gabrielle Wilkinson has been a "name" since the 7th or 8th Grade!!
But her progress since then has been on a gradual--rather than a steep--incline!
Still, she might REALLY break through in 2018!!
Alyssa Brewer is another to watch here.
Katherine Lee is probably the biggest threat to the CR's in the distances--from the 1500 through the 5000!
But Annie Hill is also VERY good!
Molly Born, Olivia Theis, Anne Forsyth, Clara Savchik, and Jacqueline Gaughan--the latter having a top-notch XC season!!--are also contenders.
Britten Bowen and Jada Hicks are solid in the 60H.
There are 3 Walkers to follow--Margaret Atwood, Chelsea Benedict, and Audrey Fox.
Katie Isenburger is the best HJ'er here.
As noted, Lanae Tava-Thomas is VERY good in the LJ!
But Titiana Marsh, while also good in the LJ, is even better in the Triple Jump!!
Kynnedy Flannel--besides having a GREAT name!--is very talented!
Maya Evans, Ionini Carothers, Alonia Sutton, and Jai Gruenwald are also good.
The PV might be devoid of 14 footers--until the season starts!
Watch for Nastassia Campbell, Jaci Bickett, and Olivia Moore here!
Ellie Waltha could get over 50 feet this year in the SP.
Gianni Rao is a REAL threat to the HSR in the WT, as well of course to this Class Record--one & the same!
Shelby Moran is also one to watch.
The best Senior in the Multi is Allie Jones.
Sorry for the length of this post, but I wanted to give you as complete a Preview as possible!
BTW, there are NO more PRO's in this year's HS Class!!
Thus, no Preview of what PRO HS'ers might do!!
(Who might be the NEXT HS'er to "go Pro"??--or is that era finished??)
See you soon with my Collegiate Class Record Preview!
My series of Previews began with a full Schedule!
Now we turn to Class Records.
Why are Class Records important?
For High Schoolers, going after--or breaking!--a Class Record means you'll become the best ever that a 9th Grader (or 10th, 11th, 12th) has done in the entire history of HS T&F--in this case, the Indoor version!
After 4 years, upon graduation, you can look back and see if you progressed--breaking higher Grade CR's--and remember why you did--or didn't!
You can also--as you prepare for your Collegiate career--measure yourself against what's needed to become a Class Record holder in your new arena!
And for us, the observers, seeing CR's broken gets us excited about the potential of particular athletes--and turns our thoughts to whether they're so good, maybe they should "Go Pro!" instead of competing for their chosen school!
Enough!
A few Notes to help guide you through the morass of numbers & names I'm about to provide---
This post covers the 4 Grades of High School.
(My next Preview will do the same for the College crowd!)
Records for the Men's 60H, SP, and WT, as well as the Pentathlon, use HS implements & hurdle heights!
(The Women use the same hurdle heights and implement weights as they will in College and beyond, in their Professional career!)
After listing the records for each grade (Just the records--no names or dates!), I will "predict" which records might fall, followed by a list of names who might break them!
That said, certain "detours" might pop up!
Oversize Tracks--my Number One rant subject for INdoors!
1600's & 3200's instead of Mile & 2 Mile!
No enroute 1500 times taken in Mile races!
Athletes deciding not to compete INdoors, or in events where records are vulnerable--or coaches preventing them from record attempts for reasons of strategy or "team first" mentality!!
But as I said, enough!!
Each grade done separately, with Men first!
9th Grade--Men
6.78, 21.22, 34.58, 47.97, 1:20.97, 1:55.45, 2:33.98, 4:01.09, 4:15.43, 8:23.80, 8:57.44, 14:18.42, 8.03, 6-8, 24-5, 46-9, 16-9.50, 66-7.25, 71-3.50, 2664
"Easiest" records??
600, 800, 1000, 1500 (See note above about enroute times NOT being taken--this mark should be 3 or 4 seconds faster, based on the existing Mile record!), HJ, LJ, TJ (All 3 jumps are AWFUL, when compared to the 10th Grade records!!), and the Pentathlon--another ridiculous mark!! Should be at least 3000 points!!
As I've often said, predicting Frosh Class records for HS'ers is very difficult--mostly for the Men, as it's rare to find Middle School guys good enough to see them as Frosh Class record seekers, while Women are more likely to be of HS level quality a year or 2 before entering HS! (See Grace Ping & Tamari Davis!)
Thus, I have no names to offer here!
9th Grade--Women
7.37, 23.55, 38.53, 53.23, 1:30.1, 2:06.48, 2:47.86, 4:24.4, 4:40.1, 9:41.73, 10:23.46, 17:08.45 (But 7th Grader ran 16:43.02!!), 8.35, 5-10, 19-7, 41-2, 12-9.50, 45-7.25, 57-3, 3561
200, 300, 600, 1000, 1500, 3000, 2 Mile, 5000 (The 16:43.02!! And of course the "real" CR!), LJ, PV, and the SP!
Isn't it about time that PV mark went over 13 feet??
I DO have some names to offer here!!
(See above note!)
In the sprints, there's Tamari and Kayla Davis--no relation!!
Tamari has already proven herself, running 23.21 OUTdoors this year!
Kayla has tremendous talent!
She's also good at longer "sprints", like the 300 to the 500!
Ramiah Elliott is someone else to watch!
For the 600 through the 800, watch for Jinah Mickens-Malik.
Of greatest potential comes the Ping sisters, Grace (9th) & Lauren (7th).
Grace already has run 16:25 for 5000 OUTdoors!
Compare to the current Frosh Class record(s)!!
Look for her (them!!) in all events from the Mile to the 5000!!
10th Grade--Men
6.67, 21.05, 32.87, 46.01, 1:19.05, 1:51.11, 2:27.59, 3:52.5, 4:09.82, 8:09.86, 8:42.66, 14:54.27, 7.83, 7-2, 25-8.25, 50-2.50, 18-0.50, 70-5, 75-0.50, 3785
Best hopes are for the 600, 800, 1000, 5000 (Pathetically SLOW, in contrast to the Frosh Class mark!! Someone PLEASE destroy this record--like by 30 seconds!!), LJ, TJ, and the Pentathlon marks to fall!
Jaykob (Lots of different ways Jacob is spelled nowadays!! LOL) Hernandez and Marcellus Moore are 2 guys to watch in the sprints!
Sean Burrell might be best in the 300 to 500 range!
Brandon Miller might be the Soph Class AOY, based on what he did as a Frosh OUTdoors this year!
The 800 & 1000 are his for the taking!!
If Miller stumbles, watch for HJ'er Trey Tintinger to reign supreme!
Trey Knight broke the Frosh Class record in the Weight Throw, but reaching 75 feet??
Maybe!
10th Grade--Women
7.29, 23.39, 37.49, 53.25, 1:28.78, 2:01.8, 2:47.27, 4:24.25, 4:43.23, 9:26.28, 10:12.94, 16:37.50, 8.17, 6-0.75, 20-5.75, 42-6.75, 13-6, 49-1.25, 58-11, 3846
400, 1000, 1500, Mile, 3000, 2 Mile, 5000, HJ, LJ, SP, and maybe the Pentathlon have good chances to go down!
In the dashes, watch for Brianna Williams and Alicia Burnett.
Kimberly Harris could be the one to watch in the 300-500 category!
Athena Mu is the top girl in the 600-800 realm.
The distances--from the 1500 through the 5000--are LOADED!!!
(That's why I've predicted EVERY Class Record is more than vulnerable here--If these Women take SERIOUS shots, these records will not just fall, they'll be CRUSHED!!)
The "front" group are Katelyn Tuohy, Lexy Halladay, London Culbreath, and Katelynne Hart!
But watch the "rear guard"--Taylor Roe, Taryn Parks, and Mary Hennelly, a proven Steeplechaser OUTdoors!!
The 60H have Jasmine Jones and Markalah Hart, the latter of whom might also be good at the 300 & 400!
Watch for Taylor Ewart to continue racking up records in the Walks!
(She also RUNS pretty good!! Hmmmm!!)
The HJ has Jenna Rogers and Morgan Smalls!
Rogers got Vashti Cunningham's OUTdoor Frosh Class mark in 2017!!
Mia Manson could shine in the PV!
11th grade--Men
6.64, 20.83, 33.32, 46.88, 1:17.64, 1:49.94, 2:23.56, 3:47.60, 4:02.21, 8:07.54, 8:40.70, 13:57.04, 7.59, 7-5.25, 25-9.25, 51-8.25, 19-1, 72-9.50, 87-10.75, 4150
Best chances for new CR's are in the 200, 300, 400, and the PV (HA HA, just joking!! Mondo has this one nailed down till the 22nd Century or thereabouts!!).
Tyrese Cooper!
Either the next Usain Bolt--or Wayde Van Niekerk, as he's best in the longer sprints!--or a burnout from over-racing before he's 20!!
This Man has T-A-L-E-N-T!!
He's already run faster--as a Soph!--than his older brethren did here!!
So the 200, 300, and 400 are his!
Only question--barring disaster!--is by how much!!
In fact, the overall HSR's are possible--THIS season!!
But he might have company in the name of Brian Herron!
Watch also for Kennedy Lightner.
The distances (800-5000) have Alex Maier and Ryan Oosting.
Jason Moscoso is the Walker to watch!
Look for Anthony Riley in the Horizontals!
Jacob Farland is a good WT man!
There are 2 possibilities in the Pentathlon--Anthony Bryan and Yariel Soto!
11th Grade--Women
7.24, 23.23, 37.60, 51.84, 1:29.53, 2:04.96, 2:45.32, 4:11.72, 4:28.25, 9:04.51, 9:38.68, 16:19.69, 8.17, 6-1, 21-4, 42-5.50, 14-0, 54-11, 65-4.25, 3827
Softest targets??
Try the 60, 200, 300, 600, 1000, 1500, Mile, 3000, 2 Mile, 5000, 60H, TJ, and the Pentathlon!
Yes, Mary Cain's "untouchable" HSR's (1500, Mile, 3K & 2 Mile) ARE included here!
You might agree when you see the names I'm about to list!!
The sprints have Thelma Davies leading a fair-sized group of speedsters--including Rosaline Effiong, Alexis Brown, Arria Minor, Kaller Collins, and Alsaya Wilson.
Minor is better even in the 300 to 500 range!
But Sterling Lester and Britton Wilson are also good there.
The 600 & 800 have Gianni Napoleon and Morgan Foster.
The Keys to Cain's Kingdom (Or is that QUEENdom?? LOL) are Kelsey Chmiel and Claudia Lane!
Chmiel ran 9:18 OUTdoors this year as a Soph in the 3000!!
And she's been a Record breaker since Middle School!
If she gets in the right races (Against some Pro's??), and is healthy, Ms Mary might be minus a HSR or 2 or 3 or 4!!!
But Lane might be an even BIGGER threat!!
Incredible, huh??!!
Rebecca Story could give them a go for more than a few laps!
Watch also for Rylee Bowen, Sarah Trainor, and Olivia Howell.
If Tia Jones can convert her OUTdoor 12.84 100H HSR to the INdoor 60H, the latter record could see the first sub-8.00!!
Grace Stark, Shadajah Ballard, and Kori Carter (Kori Monster's namesake! LOL) are others to watch here!
Sydney Banks and Anna Hall could dominate the HJ!
Jasmine Moore is a Horizontalist SuperStar in the making!
But Alexia Brown, Nyla Ward, Caroline Johnston, and Shatara Johnson are others to watch for!
Erica Ellis, the one-time Jenn Suhr protege, could be the best PV'er!
Watch also for Chloe Cunliffe (She's from WA state, but not sure if she's related to UO's Hannah!!), Mackenzie Hayward, and Laurel Wong!
While there are ZERO 50 footers returning in the SP, Chloe Lindeman could reach that level!
Annika Kelly and Danielle Gregory are the WT'ers to watch!
The Junior Class in the Pentathlon has a quartet to watch for--led by Tiarra Crockrell!
But watch too for Sterling Lester, Annika Williams, and Anna Hall!
12th Grade--Men
6.57, 20.63, 33.65, 45.92, 1:17.58, 1:49.21, 2:22.28, 3:41.93, 3:57.81, 7:59.33, 8:39.15, 14:19.83, 7.40, 7-5, 26-6.50, 52-7.50, 17-11.25, 77-2.50 (& 68-4 for the 16 pounder!), 93-3.25 (& 65-8.25 for the Pro-weighted WT!), 4307
I'm seeing the 60 (See note below about Anthony Schwartz!), 300, 400, 800, 1000, 2 Mile, 5000, PV, and the Pentathlon as having the best chances for a new Class Record!
Is Mr Schwartz going to run as an amateur HS'er his Senior year??
For the life of me, I can't recall if he's already turned Pro, or is healthy again, or what!!
IF he's still an amateur HS'er, add the 60 & 200 to my list of Class Records that are vulnerable!!
Kalon Barnes, Kasean Carter, and Keishawn Everly are other good sprinters!
Same questions for Jamal Walton as for Mr Schwartz!
His 44.99 OUTdoor 400 bodes VERY well for SUPER times INdoors in the 300, 400, and maybe even the 600!!
The distances should be led by Brodey Hasty, he of the hippie-ish mass of GREAT hair!!
(Best since the days of the pre-bun Evan Jager!! LOL)
Joey Hoey should be the leader on the lower end of the distance scale--meaning the 800 & 1000.
Also look for Alex Scales, Andy Monroe, Gabe Findel, Dalton Hengst, Cole Johnson (the OUTdoor Frosh Class Record holder in the Mile!), Dylan Jacobs, and Joshua Schumacher, whom I believe is one of Jerry's kids!!
Eric Edwards could be the best 60H guy--overall, not just for the Senior Class!!
Thomas Burns is also VERY good, but best at the longer OUTdoor hurdles!!
(Watch for him in the 300, 400, and 600??)
Cameron Murray and Noah Green also have talent here!
Eduardo Uria is the best Walker!
Kyle Garland's best Pentathlon event is the HJ, so watch for him in both!
Tyler Crook and Nate Patterson are also good HJ'ers.
The Horizontals have Donovan Louis, Frank Nash, CJ Moore, Jequan Hogan, and DJ Henderson!
KC Lightfoot could challenge the 18 foot mark in the PV!
But Mondo should be making NINETEEN feet a regular occurrence!!
(Poor Mr Lightfoot!! LOL)
Zach Bradford and Colton Crum are 17 footers to watch!
The years of Tripp Piperi and Jordan Geist as HS icons are over!!
No one is within 2 feet of 70 feet now--let alone 73 and 74 or more!!
The next 70 guys might be Otito Ogbonnia, Tyson Jones, John Mayer, Joshua Sobota, and Nick Phelps!
Ian Frost might lead the WT.
Garland, as noted, is GREAT in the Pentathlon!
Can he get the HSR here??
Watch also for Ayden Owens, Isaiah Muton, and Anthony Bryan!!
12th Grade--Women
7.19, 22.97, 36.82, 51.61, 1:27.13, 2:01.78, 2:40.72, 4:17.68, 4:36.61, 9:14.12, 9:55.92, 15:55.75, 8.02, 6-6.25, 21-11, 44-6.75, 14-4, 57-5.50, 68-2.50, 4068
Records that might go include the 200, 600, 800, 1000, 3000, 2 Mile, LJ, TJ, and the WT
Lanae Tava-Thomas should be the favorite in the sprints and the LJ!
But Kynnedy Flannel and Sha'Carri Richardson are other speedsters to watch!
Kennedy Simon is the best in the 300-500 range!
Caitlin Collier is THIS close to entering SuperStud-dom in the middle distances!
She's the one to watch in the 600, 800, and 1000.
Gabrielle Wilkinson has been a "name" since the 7th or 8th Grade!!
But her progress since then has been on a gradual--rather than a steep--incline!
Still, she might REALLY break through in 2018!!
Alyssa Brewer is another to watch here.
Katherine Lee is probably the biggest threat to the CR's in the distances--from the 1500 through the 5000!
But Annie Hill is also VERY good!
Molly Born, Olivia Theis, Anne Forsyth, Clara Savchik, and Jacqueline Gaughan--the latter having a top-notch XC season!!--are also contenders.
Britten Bowen and Jada Hicks are solid in the 60H.
There are 3 Walkers to follow--Margaret Atwood, Chelsea Benedict, and Audrey Fox.
Katie Isenburger is the best HJ'er here.
As noted, Lanae Tava-Thomas is VERY good in the LJ!
But Titiana Marsh, while also good in the LJ, is even better in the Triple Jump!!
Kynnedy Flannel--besides having a GREAT name!--is very talented!
Maya Evans, Ionini Carothers, Alonia Sutton, and Jai Gruenwald are also good.
The PV might be devoid of 14 footers--until the season starts!
Watch for Nastassia Campbell, Jaci Bickett, and Olivia Moore here!
Ellie Waltha could get over 50 feet this year in the SP.
Gianni Rao is a REAL threat to the HSR in the WT, as well of course to this Class Record--one & the same!
Shelby Moran is also one to watch.
The best Senior in the Multi is Allie Jones.
Sorry for the length of this post, but I wanted to give you as complete a Preview as possible!
BTW, there are NO more PRO's in this year's HS Class!!
Thus, no Preview of what PRO HS'ers might do!!
(Who might be the NEXT HS'er to "go Pro"??--or is that era finished??)
See you soon with my Collegiate Class Record Preview!
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