The 1st (Annual??) Armory Track Invitational produced many great marks, from the HS, Collegiate, and Pro divisions!
The best--and that's no doubt a matter of opinion!-- was the "WR" run by a USA Distance Medley Relay team comprised of Matthew Centrowitz, Mike Berry, Eric Sowinski, and Pat Casey.
Centro split a great 2:49.47 over 1200, then Berry chugged his 400 in 46.40, then it was Sowinski hitting his 800 in 1:47.60, before Casey anchored with a 1600 of 3:56.48.
Final time of 9:19.93.
The DMR isn't run INdoors by the Pro's much, as it's mostly a US Collegiate and HS race.
In fact, the record they beat was the Collegiate Record, which also served as the AR and the WR.
Two other teams got National Records.
Ireland's was 9:25.37.
Kenya ran 9:27.21.
While he missed both Canadian National Records (1 of them his own!), Cam Levins nonetheless had an incredible day.
Or should I say HALF HOUR?!
Yep, he doubled in the Mile and 2 Mile in about 30 minutes time!!
And he missed each NR by just tenths of a second!
First up was the Mile--3:54.74.
Nate Brannen has the NR with his 3:54.32 from 2014.
Then came the 2 Mile--8:15.38.
Cam's NR is last year's 8:14.69.
The Deuce wasn't all his, however.
Suguru Osako ran 8:16.47, for the Japan National Record.
Ben Blankenship ran 8:16.53.
That makes him 6th A-T US.
And Reed Connor ran 8:27.87, which makes him 21st A-T US.
(BTW, Galen Rupp was in this race---even the FEATURED star!!--but he finished just 4th, timed in 8:17.24!)
Jordan Hasay won the Women's 2 mile in 9:38.28.
But it wasn't her PR.
Nicole Tully ran 9:39.38.
She's now 14th A-T US.
Marielle Hall's 9:39.61 rates her 16th A-T US.
Ashley Higginson ran a PR of 9:42.58.
She moves from 22nd A-T US up to 20th!
And Liz Costello ran 9:42.78, making her 21st A-T US!
Ajee Wilson beat Treniere Moser (among others), in the featured 800.
Moser's time of 2:01.79 makes her 21st A-T US.
Further back, in 5th, was Mary Cain, who ran 2:02.75.
That's actually a 4.5 second INdoor PR for her!
Let's leave NYC for a bit, because the JDL meet in North Carolina produced probably the best American performance of the entire weekend!
Shannon Rowbury split from her NY-bound NOP teammates to race the Mile at JDL.
Well, I'm not sure if you can call it a "race", as 2nd place was about 8 seconds behind!!
Her 4:22.66 is 3rd on the All-Time US INdoor list!!
She's now 5th on the World list!
And it's the Age 30 record!
(No 1500 splits have appeared yet, but I will of course report it if and when it becomes available!)
Morgan Uceny beat Heather Kampf for 2nd, 4:30.90 to 4:31.24.
Much further back, but running the fastest HS time of the year, was Ryen Frazier.
Of course, Frazier's 4:44.20 Mile back in November was the lead-off mark for this hot HOT 2015 season!
Here, she ran 4:41.56.
She moves from 12th A-T HS (tied with 1 other) to 8th!
There's so much to report, I don't know how to order it all!
So let's go next to 3 Age Records!
Ruth Beitia HJ'ed 6-5 for the Age 35 record.
Amy Acuff seems to be seriously coming back, and her best HJ so far is 6-0.75, which is the Age 39 record!
And Kim Collins (Who else??) broke the Age 38 record for the 60---TWICE!!
First up was his heat of 6.55.
Then he broke it again with the final, time of 6.52.
Georgeanne Moline ran a spectacular "solo" (2nd was over 3 seconds back!) 500 time of 1:08.84.
This is 4th A-T US.
It's 11th A-T World!
The only Americans ahead of her are AR holder Shana Cox (1:08.70), Jearl Miles-Clark (1:08.71), and Joetta Clark (1:08.82).
For comparison's sake, Francena McCorory is next with 1:09.01.
In The Armory, both HS 300 races produced great marks.
First up was the Women's race.
The incredible Soph Sydney McLaughlin ran 37.49.
That's 2nd A-T HS.
And it's the Soph Class record.
Only the ubiquitous McCorory is ahead of her!
The Men's race was a RACE, as Sydney's older brother Taylor gave Rai Benjamin a run for his money.
Benjamin's 33.17 is also 2nd A-T HS.
McLaughlin's PR of 33.62 wasn't that far behind!!
But Benjamin doesn't get the Senior Class record, as HSR holder Michael Cherry's 33.05 has that one.
In Arkansas, at the Razorback Invitational, Texas A&M's Men's 4X400 team came within 0.03 seconds of the CR.
Their time was 3:03.23.
The Pole Vault took a slight siesta this weekend!
Although on any other January weekend of most any other year, the marks I have would be THE headline-makers!!
But NOT in this Year of the Vault!
Anyway, here's what I've got.
Sandi Morris got a PR jump of 15-3, which WOULD have been the CR just a few weeks earlier!!
As it is, it only strengthens her hold on the number 2 position on the A-T Collegiate list!
However, it does improve her place on the A-T US list, from 8th (tied with 1 other) to 6th (also tied with 1 other).
BTW, she tweeted to me that Desiree Freier was "resting for a long season", which explained Freier's absence from the meet.
CR holder Demi Payne could clear "only" 15-1.75!
Both she and Morris--in separate meets--tried the CR height of 15-7.25, both missing their 3 tries.
(Some were reportedly close!!)
Renaud Lavillenie cleared the "human" height of 19-2.75.
I think he tried some higher height---unknown to me--but missed.
Shawn Barber cleared 19-0.25, short of his 19-3 CR.
Angelica Bengtsson, who was a teenage prodigy a few years ago, finally got a PR.
She jumped a good 15-4.25
She breaks her own National Record of Sweden.
But it misses my World DDD list by 0.75 inches!!
The Weeks twins, Lexi and Tori, both jumped 13-9's, not their PR's.
Do they ever jump different heights??
Finally (in the PV world), Adam Hague continues to break the Age 17 record!
For the 3rd time since late December, Hague has upped this record!
The latest is his 18-2.50.
(He doesn't turn 18 until August 29th!!)
Our WT friend with the unspellable name, Chuk Enekwechi, continues to PR.
His latest throw went 78-10.50.
He rises to 11th A-T World.
He was 18th.
He goes from 12th to 9th on the A-T US list.
And he's now 2nd on the Collegiate list, up from 10th!!
Kearsten Peoples also had a good WT.
Her 72-8 throw is good for 22nd A-T Collegiate.
She is also now 22nd US
Removed FROM my Collegiate DDD list is one of the event's pioneers.
Gone is Dawn Ellerbe's 71-8.75 from 1997, thus leaving my Top 24 Collegiate list with no one from the 20th century!!
Sifan Hassan ran 4:02.57 for 1500, which is 16th A-T World.
It also breaks her own National Record of Holland!
Second in that race was Axumawit Embaye, whose 4:02.92 is now 19th A-T World.
Najee Glass ran a great 400 in the Arkansas meet.
His 45.34 ranks him 11th A-T Collegiate.
And 13th (tied with 1 other) on the US list.
He's also now 20th (tied with 1 other) on the World DDD!!
Vernon Norwood's 2nd place mark of 45.56 wasn't a PR.
There were some good Multi's, with maybe the best being denied a place on my lists because it was in Seattle! (OT marks, even in the Multi's, are currently not okay for record or list purposes.)
Jeremy Taiwo did the Heptathlon in Seattle, scoring 6344 points.
He WOULD be 5th US and 13th World, if not for the OT!
Another great OT mark was Akela Jones's Pentathlon score of 4402.
Jess Heranf scored 4289 points.
This makes her 18th A-T Collegiate.
Alex Gochenour got 4259 points, and that WOULD have made her 23rd A-T Collegiate.
However, soon after finding Gochenour's mark, I found Heranf's!!
Thus, Alex is now 24th A-T Collegiate!
A couple of old marks to report.
Shure Demise's Dubai Marathon time of 2:20:59 turns out to be a new Age 19 record!!
She was born on January 21st, so she was 2 days into her 19th year when she ran Dubai!
Yekaterina Koneva TJ'ed 48-2, making her 24th A-T World, tied with 1 other.
Speaking of 24th place marks, Erika Kinsey HJ'ed 6-2.75 to reach that place on the A-T Collegiate list.
(She's tied there with 3 others!)
BTW, she's a Division 2 athlete, but I include those marks on my Collegiate lists.
Marcellus Fletcher TJ'ed 51-0 for 17th on the A-T HS list.
Omar Craddock finished 2nd to Will Claye, but his TJ of 55-4.25 is good for 22nd A-T US, tied with 2 others.
Jake Bender ran 600 meters in 1:17.83 for 22nd A-T Collegiate.
Joe Luongo finished behind favored Richard Rose, but his 1:18.83 600 moves him all the way from 24th A-T HS to 8th!!
(Rose ran a solid 1:18.43, but his PR is his 1:18.40 from December!)
James Burke tied his PR in the 1000---time of 2:26.75--so he remains 22nd A-T HS.
Oklahoma State's Men's team ran a DMR in 9:30.65.
This makes them the 19th fastest School on the Collegiate list.
Georgetown's 9:28.22 DMR moves them up 1 notch on the Collegiate list, from 6th School to 5th.
No records or list placings, but the Duke and Wisconsin Women had a great race in the DMR.
Duke's Haley Meier outran Sarah Disanza of Wisconsin on the anchor 1600's--4:47.42 to 4:49.70--to win, 11:23.43 to 11:24.61.
A College girl won a fast 1000, but her name won't go on the A-T list.
She's a student at the University of Toronto, which of course is not part of the NCAA system!
Her name is Gabriella Stafford, and she ran 2:42.75, which would rank her 11th A-T Collegiate if U of T were in the US!
Hang in there, folks, we're nearing the finish line!!
Jalen Miller ran a 60 in 6.55, which misses the Collegiate Top 24 by just 0.01 seconds!!
A few good OT marks from Seattle's meet are worth noting.
Jason Witt of BYU ran 5000 meters in 13:42.08.
Ryan Hill's Mile of 3:56.84 beat Andrew Wheating's 3:57.42.
Ryan Crouser threw the SP 68-9, but it's not a PR.
Last, but certainly not least, I'm happy (or sad?) to report that the Superstar known as Mary Cain lost one of her records!!
Sammy Watson may not be "the new Mary Cain" just yet, but she DID beat Mary's Soph Class 1000 record of 2:47.29 from 2012!
Watson nipped it by just 0.02 seconds, but a Record is a Record!!
Not only that, but her time of 2:47.27 is now 7th A-T HS!!
And she wasn't alone!
Ersula Farrow ran 2:48.39 behind her, leaving her 15th A-T HS!!
Well, folks, that's a wrap for today!
But almost assuredly---Oh Hell, ASSUREDLY!!!--the Russian Winter Games and a few other meets being held tomorrow will produce MORE great marks!!
(Also, Kayla Montgomery will be trying to break 17:00 for the 5000, according to her Coach at Lipscomb!)
Until then, have fun processing all the above material!
There's more on the way!!
Saturday, January 31, 2015
Sunday, January 25, 2015
Is it REALLY only January?
What an amazing--and record breaking!--month!
Makes you wonder if it really IS still only January!
Probably should have seen this storm coming, considering how HOT December was, and the fact that we got our first notable mark in November!!
Well, there is a TON of stuff to report, so let's get right to it!
I'll begin with some "oldies"--meaning a few marks that came in (or I discovered them!) AFTER my last "news" post.
When that happens, I have 2 choices---add them to that last post, or wait to put them in the next one.
If you do the former, you risk the chance that your millions of readers have already read your blog, so will miss seeing those added marks!
That's why I chose the latter route!
(MILLIONS of readers????? LOL)
Probably the best of these was Adam Hague's breaking of his own Age 17 record in the PV.
His 18-1 surpassed his previous mark of 17-11, set just a month earlier!
(Imagine where he'd be in the US HS system!!)
T&FN's eTN reported her time, but didn't highlight it!
I will.
Kellyn Taylor-Johnson finished 6th woman, and first US, in the Houston Marathon.
Her time of 2:28:40--in her debut race!--makes her 20th A-T US!!
Brittany Smith was far better known as a Hammer Thrower, but she showed some talent in the SP.
Her toss of 62-4.50 moves her to 10th A-T US.
This mark was in the same meet where Becky O'Brien threw 58-0.50--which I reported!
I have no idea why I didn't see Smith's mark then!
Amber Campbell, another noted HT'er, threw the WT 75-9.25.
That's the Age 33 record, and is her NINTH Age record for the WT!!
Finally, in the "oldie" category", the PV Summit had some good Women's HS marks!
Four girls hit 13-4's, making them ALL 20th A-T HS, and each tied with 4 others, including each other!!
They are Brooke Catherine (Yes, Catherine is her last name!), Mackenzie Shell, Meagan Gray, and Kaitlyn Merritt.
And speaking of the PV, let's begin the NEW marks with that "Event of the Decade"!!
Because we saw not 1, but TWO more CR's, plus several other GREAT marks!!
At a quad meet in Texas, Sandi Morris, FORMER CR holder, tried to win that title back!
She made 14-10.25, then tried for 15-2.75, but missed her 3 attempts.
So did Melissa Gergel, now a Pro.
But her make of 14-10.25 was a PR.
It moved her from 19th A-T US (tied with 2 others) to 17th, where she's tied with 1 other.
While (or around the time) this was happening, CR holder Demi Payne went up against ANOTHER former CR holder, in New Mexico!
Kaitlin Petrillose's 2015 isn't seeing her best start ever.
She'd NH'ed when Morris got her CR.
But here, she started to put things together.
She at least got a height!
Her 13-10 finished only 3rd, however!
In 2nd was Akaterina Stefanidi, who hit a good 14-6.
And the winner, and new CR holder, is.....Demi Payne!
And she broke her own record TWICE!!
She first broke it with her jump of 15-3.
Then she went for 15-7, and made it!
(With her Dad's--Billy Payne--mark of 19-2.25 added, that makes their 34-9.25 total the best Father-Daughter combo PV ever!!)
This makes her 3rd A-T US, tied with 1 other.
And it puts her in 11th place A-T WORLD, tied with 1 other!!
Remember, she's a Collegian, and a new mother!!
Speaking of Combined this and that, Renaud and Valentin Lavillenie moved up the ladder in the Brother-Brother category!
Renaud soared over his 2015 highest bar, hitting 19-8.25 (6.00 meters), while his brother Valentin rose to 18-8.25.
Their total (in one same day meet) was 38-4.50 (or 11.70 metric).
However, the Brothers Bubka (Sergey & Vasiliy) went 11.75....at least!....for the "record"!
BTW, Renaud's 19-8.25 ties the Age 28 record--held by Pere Bubka!!--set in 1992.
Another PV Age record went down! (Or should I say "UP"??)
Fabiana Murer went over 15-0.25 for the Age 33 record.
This breaks the 14-11 of Stacy Dragila from 2005!
Before we move on to other events---and yes, other events DID encroach on the sovereignty of the Pole Vault!!--there's 3 more marks of note from this event!
Pauli Benavides, who had vaulted 17-3 awhile ago, rose to 17-6.50.
This makes him 4th A-T HS, but tied with 3 others.
Jake Blankenship went over 18-8.25.
This makes him 10th A-T Collegiate, tied with 2 others!
And HSR holder(s)---she holds both the IN and OUTdoor records!---Desiree Freier got her first Collegiate 14 footer, hitting 14-2.25.
On the track---the 200 meter variety!--we have an American Record!
In a race set up for that purpose, Casimir Loxsom ran the 600 meters in 1:15.58, for the AR!
It's also the Age 23 record.
And it moves him up the ranks on both the US and World DDD's!
He moved from 3rd to 1st on the US list.
And from 11th to 4th on the World list!
Mark Wieczorek finished behind Loxsom, timed in 1:16.20.
For him, this makes him 9th A-T US.
But he misses the World list by....0.01 seconds!!
He does get the Age 30 record, however!
Two other 600's of note.
Kimarra McDonald ran 1:29.07, making her 21st A-T US.
And HS'er Luke Germanakos is also rated 21st (HS), with his 1:19.82.
((Both the above marks were at The Armory!)
Of all events, the Triple Jump has made a HUGE splash on the 2015 Indoor scene.
And it's all because of one young woman!
Former HS Superstar (in both the TJ and the LJ) Keturah Orji has suddenly EXPLODED onto the Collegiate scene!!
She spent her entire Senior year of HS trying to reach the magical 45 foot level---to no avail!
(Her OUTdoor PR is her HS mark of 44-11, which she reached in her Junior year of HS, in 2013!)
Well, Keturah, say Hello to the 45 foot world!
She not only reached (at least) 45 feet, she did it FOUR times in her series!!
Her best of 45-10.50 is the Collegiate Frosh Class record!
It's also, according to my records, the World Age 18 record!!
It ranks her 9th A-T Collegiate.
And makes her 5th best American!!
Her competition was no slouch, either!
Former HS wonderkind Ciarra Brewer also finally got past 45 feet, hitting the sand at 45-2.50, to place 2nd to Orji.
However, Brewer got just ONE mark over 45 feet!
It does move her from 18th A-T Collegiate to 15th, where she's tied with 1 other.
And it makes her 16th A-T US, where she's tied with 2 others!
Kendell Williams did her 1st Pentathlon of 2015, and it was a good one.
The OT will negate the mark for record and list purposes--although some believe this does not affect the 800 much, because of how slow most Pentathletes run!--but her 4609 points still is the 2nd best Collegiate mark ever.
And it WOULD be the Collegiate Soph Class mark, if not for the OT.
It stands as the best Collegiate mark in January, no matter the track size!
The Collegiate Record in the Men's Weight Throw was broken!
Michael Lihrman finally went past 80 feet, hitting his CR distance of 80-3.50.
It's also the World Age 23 record!
It's the Collegiate Senior Class record.
It moves him from 8th A-T US up to 5th.
And on the World list, it moves him from 9th to 6th!
A couple of Marathons produced a few noteworthy marks (besides the earlier-reported Kellyn Johnson's).
Gladys Cherono finished just 1 second behind the winner in the Dubai race, but her 2:20:03 makes her 19th A-T World!
(Note that this list still includes Rita Jeptoo's 2:18:57 mark. I won't remove it until I know which races are affected by her upcoming sentencing! I'm assuming she'll lose that mark, but I want to get the OFFICIAL word before I revise my list!)
Also in Dubai, Asheti Behere Dido ran the best-ever 10th place, with her time of 2:23:43.
And Haydar Sultan finished with the best 12th place mark, running 2:24:44.
This of course makes this the most sub-2:25's in one race!!
In the Woman's Osaka race, Jelena Prokopcova became the Age 38 record holder with her 2:24:07.
The 60's produced a couple of good marks.
Trayvon Bromell ran 6.54 to tie for the Collegiate lead.
He's now 15th A-T Collegiate, but tied with a MASSIVE 12 others!!
Ageless Kim Collins opened his 2015 season with a 6.58, missing the Age 38 record by just 0.01.
Think he'll get it before season's end?
Cristobel Nettey LJ'ed 22-3.75 for a new Canadian National record.
Tatiana Marsh TJ'ed an even 40-0.
This improves her 2015 best by 10 inches, but leaves her 2 and a half inches shy of the 9th Grade record!
Shelby Houlihan ran the fastest Collegiate 3000 of 2015, but her 9:03.71 misses the Collegiate Top 24 list by 1.41 seconds!
In a Pro race, Stephanie Charnigo outran Ashley Higginson, 4:31.78 to 4:32.31, for the fastest legal track mile times of the season.
Rai Benjamin looks to be the best HS 400 prospect, as he ran the 300 in 33.40!
(The HSR is Michael Cherry's 33.05!)
A few Oversize Track marks rate some mention.
U of O's Eric Jenkins ran 13:31.76 on Lexington KY's 291 meter track to beat his Duckmate Parker Stinson, who ran 13:38.68.
Dominique Scott ran a fast OT mile in 4:32.48.
And Ed Cheserek ran 3000 meters in 7:49.56.
According to my 2014 Athletics Annual, Brittney Reese, ace LJ'er, ran 60 meters INdoors in 2011 in 7.24.
(I'd never heard of that, but AA is usually right!)
Well, now I KNOW she has some talent in the sprints!
She ran 7.32 for 60 meters---in a heat!
But she didn't run the final!
And once again, I'll close with my promised report on ANYTHING that MS victim Kayla Montgomery runs this year!
At the Emory Invitational in Atlanta, she ran 3000 meters in 10:34.54, finishing 7th in the race, but 4th of 6 among her Lipscomb teammates!
This is NOT a very good time, as the pace (about 3:31.5 per 1000) would give her about the same time she ran over the full 5000 in her first 2015 race, and first as a Collegian.
That 17:41.56 works out to about 3:32.3 per kilometer!
She's due to run the anchor on one of the two Lipscomb DMR teams entered!
I'll add her split as soon as I get it---if I do!
ADDED on MONDAY: The Lipscomb "B" DMR team ran 12:46+ (The "A" team ran 12:00.). Kayla anchored the "B" team. I wasn't able to get her official split, but based on what the other girls ran in their earlier individual races, I'm guessing Kayla ran between 5:10 and 5:15 for her 1600 meter split. It wasn't her best day, but it was productive for her winning team (They won the meet!), as she scored points in both her races.
NEW INFORMATION!!
It's reported that the reason Kayla ran "only" 10:34+ for the 3000 wasn't because she had, as I prematurely said, a "bad" race.
No, it's because she FELL while being right up front with the leaders halfway through the race!!
My belief that Kayla will have a GREAT 2015 has been renewed and strengthened!!
Well, that does it for this week, but NOT for January!
Next weekend, and especially January 31st, promises to add to the UNreality of this record-smashing month!
The 31st is the date of a few Pro meets, including a JDL meet, the Armory Track invitational, and a meet in Europe!
BULLETIN!
ADDED Minutes Later!!
Just found out Great Britain's Morgan Lake scored 4448 points in the Pentathlon, shattering the World Age 17 mark by 187 points.
The old mark was held by none other than Carolina Kluft!!
If she were a US High Schooler---and at Age 17, she would be!---she would've SHATTERED Kendell Williams's HSR of 4068!!
Makes you wonder if it really IS still only January!
Probably should have seen this storm coming, considering how HOT December was, and the fact that we got our first notable mark in November!!
Well, there is a TON of stuff to report, so let's get right to it!
I'll begin with some "oldies"--meaning a few marks that came in (or I discovered them!) AFTER my last "news" post.
When that happens, I have 2 choices---add them to that last post, or wait to put them in the next one.
If you do the former, you risk the chance that your millions of readers have already read your blog, so will miss seeing those added marks!
That's why I chose the latter route!
(MILLIONS of readers????? LOL)
Probably the best of these was Adam Hague's breaking of his own Age 17 record in the PV.
His 18-1 surpassed his previous mark of 17-11, set just a month earlier!
(Imagine where he'd be in the US HS system!!)
T&FN's eTN reported her time, but didn't highlight it!
I will.
Kellyn Taylor-Johnson finished 6th woman, and first US, in the Houston Marathon.
Her time of 2:28:40--in her debut race!--makes her 20th A-T US!!
Brittany Smith was far better known as a Hammer Thrower, but she showed some talent in the SP.
Her toss of 62-4.50 moves her to 10th A-T US.
This mark was in the same meet where Becky O'Brien threw 58-0.50--which I reported!
I have no idea why I didn't see Smith's mark then!
Amber Campbell, another noted HT'er, threw the WT 75-9.25.
That's the Age 33 record, and is her NINTH Age record for the WT!!
Finally, in the "oldie" category", the PV Summit had some good Women's HS marks!
Four girls hit 13-4's, making them ALL 20th A-T HS, and each tied with 4 others, including each other!!
They are Brooke Catherine (Yes, Catherine is her last name!), Mackenzie Shell, Meagan Gray, and Kaitlyn Merritt.
And speaking of the PV, let's begin the NEW marks with that "Event of the Decade"!!
Because we saw not 1, but TWO more CR's, plus several other GREAT marks!!
At a quad meet in Texas, Sandi Morris, FORMER CR holder, tried to win that title back!
She made 14-10.25, then tried for 15-2.75, but missed her 3 attempts.
So did Melissa Gergel, now a Pro.
But her make of 14-10.25 was a PR.
It moved her from 19th A-T US (tied with 2 others) to 17th, where she's tied with 1 other.
While (or around the time) this was happening, CR holder Demi Payne went up against ANOTHER former CR holder, in New Mexico!
Kaitlin Petrillose's 2015 isn't seeing her best start ever.
She'd NH'ed when Morris got her CR.
But here, she started to put things together.
She at least got a height!
Her 13-10 finished only 3rd, however!
In 2nd was Akaterina Stefanidi, who hit a good 14-6.
And the winner, and new CR holder, is.....Demi Payne!
And she broke her own record TWICE!!
She first broke it with her jump of 15-3.
Then she went for 15-7, and made it!
(With her Dad's--Billy Payne--mark of 19-2.25 added, that makes their 34-9.25 total the best Father-Daughter combo PV ever!!)
This makes her 3rd A-T US, tied with 1 other.
And it puts her in 11th place A-T WORLD, tied with 1 other!!
Remember, she's a Collegian, and a new mother!!
Speaking of Combined this and that, Renaud and Valentin Lavillenie moved up the ladder in the Brother-Brother category!
Renaud soared over his 2015 highest bar, hitting 19-8.25 (6.00 meters), while his brother Valentin rose to 18-8.25.
Their total (in one same day meet) was 38-4.50 (or 11.70 metric).
However, the Brothers Bubka (Sergey & Vasiliy) went 11.75....at least!....for the "record"!
BTW, Renaud's 19-8.25 ties the Age 28 record--held by Pere Bubka!!--set in 1992.
Another PV Age record went down! (Or should I say "UP"??)
Fabiana Murer went over 15-0.25 for the Age 33 record.
This breaks the 14-11 of Stacy Dragila from 2005!
Before we move on to other events---and yes, other events DID encroach on the sovereignty of the Pole Vault!!--there's 3 more marks of note from this event!
Pauli Benavides, who had vaulted 17-3 awhile ago, rose to 17-6.50.
This makes him 4th A-T HS, but tied with 3 others.
Jake Blankenship went over 18-8.25.
This makes him 10th A-T Collegiate, tied with 2 others!
And HSR holder(s)---she holds both the IN and OUTdoor records!---Desiree Freier got her first Collegiate 14 footer, hitting 14-2.25.
On the track---the 200 meter variety!--we have an American Record!
In a race set up for that purpose, Casimir Loxsom ran the 600 meters in 1:15.58, for the AR!
It's also the Age 23 record.
And it moves him up the ranks on both the US and World DDD's!
He moved from 3rd to 1st on the US list.
And from 11th to 4th on the World list!
Mark Wieczorek finished behind Loxsom, timed in 1:16.20.
For him, this makes him 9th A-T US.
But he misses the World list by....0.01 seconds!!
He does get the Age 30 record, however!
Two other 600's of note.
Kimarra McDonald ran 1:29.07, making her 21st A-T US.
And HS'er Luke Germanakos is also rated 21st (HS), with his 1:19.82.
((Both the above marks were at The Armory!)
Of all events, the Triple Jump has made a HUGE splash on the 2015 Indoor scene.
And it's all because of one young woman!
Former HS Superstar (in both the TJ and the LJ) Keturah Orji has suddenly EXPLODED onto the Collegiate scene!!
She spent her entire Senior year of HS trying to reach the magical 45 foot level---to no avail!
(Her OUTdoor PR is her HS mark of 44-11, which she reached in her Junior year of HS, in 2013!)
Well, Keturah, say Hello to the 45 foot world!
She not only reached (at least) 45 feet, she did it FOUR times in her series!!
Her best of 45-10.50 is the Collegiate Frosh Class record!
It's also, according to my records, the World Age 18 record!!
It ranks her 9th A-T Collegiate.
And makes her 5th best American!!
Her competition was no slouch, either!
Former HS wonderkind Ciarra Brewer also finally got past 45 feet, hitting the sand at 45-2.50, to place 2nd to Orji.
However, Brewer got just ONE mark over 45 feet!
It does move her from 18th A-T Collegiate to 15th, where she's tied with 1 other.
And it makes her 16th A-T US, where she's tied with 2 others!
Kendell Williams did her 1st Pentathlon of 2015, and it was a good one.
The OT will negate the mark for record and list purposes--although some believe this does not affect the 800 much, because of how slow most Pentathletes run!--but her 4609 points still is the 2nd best Collegiate mark ever.
And it WOULD be the Collegiate Soph Class mark, if not for the OT.
It stands as the best Collegiate mark in January, no matter the track size!
The Collegiate Record in the Men's Weight Throw was broken!
Michael Lihrman finally went past 80 feet, hitting his CR distance of 80-3.50.
It's also the World Age 23 record!
It's the Collegiate Senior Class record.
It moves him from 8th A-T US up to 5th.
And on the World list, it moves him from 9th to 6th!
A couple of Marathons produced a few noteworthy marks (besides the earlier-reported Kellyn Johnson's).
Gladys Cherono finished just 1 second behind the winner in the Dubai race, but her 2:20:03 makes her 19th A-T World!
(Note that this list still includes Rita Jeptoo's 2:18:57 mark. I won't remove it until I know which races are affected by her upcoming sentencing! I'm assuming she'll lose that mark, but I want to get the OFFICIAL word before I revise my list!)
Also in Dubai, Asheti Behere Dido ran the best-ever 10th place, with her time of 2:23:43.
And Haydar Sultan finished with the best 12th place mark, running 2:24:44.
This of course makes this the most sub-2:25's in one race!!
In the Woman's Osaka race, Jelena Prokopcova became the Age 38 record holder with her 2:24:07.
The 60's produced a couple of good marks.
Trayvon Bromell ran 6.54 to tie for the Collegiate lead.
He's now 15th A-T Collegiate, but tied with a MASSIVE 12 others!!
Ageless Kim Collins opened his 2015 season with a 6.58, missing the Age 38 record by just 0.01.
Think he'll get it before season's end?
Cristobel Nettey LJ'ed 22-3.75 for a new Canadian National record.
Tatiana Marsh TJ'ed an even 40-0.
This improves her 2015 best by 10 inches, but leaves her 2 and a half inches shy of the 9th Grade record!
Shelby Houlihan ran the fastest Collegiate 3000 of 2015, but her 9:03.71 misses the Collegiate Top 24 list by 1.41 seconds!
In a Pro race, Stephanie Charnigo outran Ashley Higginson, 4:31.78 to 4:32.31, for the fastest legal track mile times of the season.
Rai Benjamin looks to be the best HS 400 prospect, as he ran the 300 in 33.40!
(The HSR is Michael Cherry's 33.05!)
A few Oversize Track marks rate some mention.
U of O's Eric Jenkins ran 13:31.76 on Lexington KY's 291 meter track to beat his Duckmate Parker Stinson, who ran 13:38.68.
Dominique Scott ran a fast OT mile in 4:32.48.
And Ed Cheserek ran 3000 meters in 7:49.56.
According to my 2014 Athletics Annual, Brittney Reese, ace LJ'er, ran 60 meters INdoors in 2011 in 7.24.
(I'd never heard of that, but AA is usually right!)
Well, now I KNOW she has some talent in the sprints!
She ran 7.32 for 60 meters---in a heat!
But she didn't run the final!
And once again, I'll close with my promised report on ANYTHING that MS victim Kayla Montgomery runs this year!
At the Emory Invitational in Atlanta, she ran 3000 meters in 10:34.54, finishing 7th in the race, but 4th of 6 among her Lipscomb teammates!
This is NOT a very good time, as the pace (about 3:31.5 per 1000) would give her about the same time she ran over the full 5000 in her first 2015 race, and first as a Collegian.
That 17:41.56 works out to about 3:32.3 per kilometer!
She's due to run the anchor on one of the two Lipscomb DMR teams entered!
I'll add her split as soon as I get it---if I do!
ADDED on MONDAY: The Lipscomb "B" DMR team ran 12:46+ (The "A" team ran 12:00.). Kayla anchored the "B" team. I wasn't able to get her official split, but based on what the other girls ran in their earlier individual races, I'm guessing Kayla ran between 5:10 and 5:15 for her 1600 meter split. It wasn't her best day, but it was productive for her winning team (They won the meet!), as she scored points in both her races.
NEW INFORMATION!!
It's reported that the reason Kayla ran "only" 10:34+ for the 3000 wasn't because she had, as I prematurely said, a "bad" race.
No, it's because she FELL while being right up front with the leaders halfway through the race!!
My belief that Kayla will have a GREAT 2015 has been renewed and strengthened!!
Well, that does it for this week, but NOT for January!
Next weekend, and especially January 31st, promises to add to the UNreality of this record-smashing month!
The 31st is the date of a few Pro meets, including a JDL meet, the Armory Track invitational, and a meet in Europe!
BULLETIN!
ADDED Minutes Later!!
Just found out Great Britain's Morgan Lake scored 4448 points in the Pentathlon, shattering the World Age 17 mark by 187 points.
The old mark was held by none other than Carolina Kluft!!
If she were a US High Schooler---and at Age 17, she would be!---she would've SHATTERED Kendell Williams's HSR of 4068!!
Wednesday, January 21, 2015
Are these the Best lists?
I apologize in advance if this seems like a self-congratulatory post!
In a few posts, I've named the sources I've used to create and update my T&F Record Book.
These include:
Track and Field News (1956-2015)
Track Newsletter (& eTN) (1990-2001 paper edition & 2002-2015 eTN)
Athletics Annual (an IAAF publication out of the UK, edited by Peter Matthews (mid-90's-2014)
FAST Annual (& USATF Media Guide) (2001-2014, but the 2014 edition had the FAST part only, with the Media Guide being posted online only)
High School Track 1961-1964, then some editions between 2001 and 2015, most edited by Jack Shepard
TFRSS (the online Collegiate NCAA Qualifying lists, 50 deep per event)
IAAF (online lists, but don't contain all events)
MileSplit (weekly HS leaders, but only the leader)
History of T&F, History of Long Distance Running (1860-2000 for the former, 1860-2002 for the latter, both edited by Roberto Quercetani)
History of Indoor Track and Field (1850-2013, edited by Grant Birkinshaw)
Twitter (many people and groups provide marks)
I'm going to focus on T&FN, eTN, TFRSS, and IAAF lists.
How do they compare to mine?
IAAF
This is an excellent source, with a few flaws.
It has separate lists for Indoor and Outdoor marks.
They're divided into event groups, like sprints, jumps, throws, etc.
But they don't include the Two Mile, the Weight Throw, the 300, 500, or 600 meters.
They have complete birthdates for most athletes, which is great for Age Records.
It's updated constantly.
One bad thing is that you can only get one event at a time (as far as I know!).
Much easier if you could scroll ALL events (for each sex) at once!
TFRSS
This one's good, but has HUGE flaws!
For one thing, it includes only NCAA meet Qualifiers!
Thus, it includes only those events contested at the NCAA Championships.
Then, it uses some sort of conversion equation, factoring in altitude and track size.
That means that the times you see aren't always the ACTUAL times!
Also, they don't differentiate between regulation 200 meter INdoor tracks and OT's.
However, if you sift through it carefully, it's fairly valuable for Collegiate marks.
eTN
I believe the only way to see this is to buy it!
The price is $38.95 per year, and includes also the online edition of Track and Field News.
(The subscription also gives you free access to all issues from 2002 forward!)
This is probably the best source for marks!
Why?
For each INdoor meet, they tell you the size of the track, so you know if it's an OT or not.
They have marks I don't see elsewhere!
They have fairly complete results of all the major meets, and highlights from lesser meets.
It also has Road Race results, for all distances from the 5000 to the Marathon.
Also, deep Cross Country results for the NCAA, Footlocker, NXN, and World and USATF XC
It has a schedule of upcoming meets, though the list is by no means complete!
So what's wrong with it?
They've included some marks that turned out to be false.
Occasionally, they won't highlight what I call a significant mark.
I think the reason for that is that they'll go just Top 10, as against my Top 24 DDD lists.
This causes some good marks to not be included at all, because it doesn't meet their standards.
Another "flaw", if you want to call it that, is that the only lists they provide are the year-end lists, and they follow the standards and rules of Track and Field News. (See T&FN below.)
They USED to have lots more lists, throughout the year (as did T&FN!!), but not the last several years.
T&FN
You know the Dickens sentence "It was the best of times; it was the worst of times."?
Well, the "Bible of the Sport" is both the best, and the worst, source of marks.
Let me state right here that I'm talking about the entire T&FN website, not just the magazine!
In fact, the magazine (except for the Annual issue, which has the Yearly Rankings and Top 40 World and US lists) is of little use as a source for marks all by itself!
But the website's lists have NUMEROUS flaws!
While the INdoor lists are entirely made up of INdoor marks, they do NOT separate the seasons once the INdoor season is finished (in mid-March)
After that date , they have what they've dubbed their "absolute" lists.
(These were also recently called their "comprehensive" lists, but I believe they've now landed on "absolute"!)
This means that, post-INdoors, if an OUTdoor mark is NOT as good as that athlete's INdoor mark, the INdoor mark is the ONLY one listed on that "absolute" list!
Thus, it's impossible to know, by looking at their lists, what Athlete X did OUTdoors, if their INdoor mark was better!
They include the same 4 groups as I do---World, US, Collegiate, and HS.
However, I've noticed some mistakes and exclusions.
(One example is in their new 2015 INdoor lists. Raven Saunders's opener of 56-3.75 is NOT listed. They show her latest--and inferior--mark of 53+ feet!)
However, as with the eTN, you'll sometimes find marks on these lists that I haven't seen elsewhere!
One more "flaw", if you will, is that they separate "foreign collegians" from American collegians.
So if you want ALL the Collegiate marks IN ORDER, you will NOT find that on the T&FN website.
You'll have to integrate the marks yourself.
Aaron K's Track and Field Record Book (and this blog)
I completely separate the INdoor and OUTdoor seasons.
There is no "absolute" or "comprehensive" list!
I go 24 deep (and sometimes more, if there are ties at the bottom end!!).
I omit ALL Oversize Track marks, although I'll make mention of some of them in my blog.
(See my previous post, which included many marks from the Seattle meet!)
Like the IAAF and TFRSS lists, I don't have every event (although I've added several events in the past year!).
Still omitted are every Road distance except the Marathon.
From OUTdoor lists, still omitted are the Walks, "junior", "youth", and "masters" throwing implement sizes.
For example, for the Shot Put, I have just the 12 and 16 pound shots.
Also excluded are most Relays.
INdoors, I omit the 55 and 55H, the 300 and 500, and the Walks, as well as several Relays.
I try to be as INclusive as possible, even mentioning some marks from events I don't have lists for.
I also try to be as ACCURATE as possible, but in many cases, I rely on OTHER'S accuracy!
However, I try to correct any errors I find!
I also present my marks in complete sentences, and try to make my remarks as entertaining and readable as this type of material can be!
So yes, I'm biased when I say I believe my lists are the BEST source for records and marks you'll find ANYwhere!!
If you agree, please continue to read my blog, and please tell everyone you know (who's into T&F records, marks, and lists) about it.
Up through an hour ago, I had 9500+ views on this blog.
I should reach the 10000 mark by the end of January!
Please comment on anything I say, or tell me if you believe my facts are wrong.
I want this to be an important and RELIABLE source for T&F records, marks, and lists.
And fun to read!
Thank you, everyone, for at least "viewing" Aaron K's Track and Field Record Book blog!
In a few posts, I've named the sources I've used to create and update my T&F Record Book.
These include:
Track and Field News (1956-2015)
Track Newsletter (& eTN) (1990-2001 paper edition & 2002-2015 eTN)
Athletics Annual (an IAAF publication out of the UK, edited by Peter Matthews (mid-90's-2014)
FAST Annual (& USATF Media Guide) (2001-2014, but the 2014 edition had the FAST part only, with the Media Guide being posted online only)
High School Track 1961-1964, then some editions between 2001 and 2015, most edited by Jack Shepard
TFRSS (the online Collegiate NCAA Qualifying lists, 50 deep per event)
IAAF (online lists, but don't contain all events)
MileSplit (weekly HS leaders, but only the leader)
History of T&F, History of Long Distance Running (1860-2000 for the former, 1860-2002 for the latter, both edited by Roberto Quercetani)
History of Indoor Track and Field (1850-2013, edited by Grant Birkinshaw)
Twitter (many people and groups provide marks)
I'm going to focus on T&FN, eTN, TFRSS, and IAAF lists.
How do they compare to mine?
IAAF
This is an excellent source, with a few flaws.
It has separate lists for Indoor and Outdoor marks.
They're divided into event groups, like sprints, jumps, throws, etc.
But they don't include the Two Mile, the Weight Throw, the 300, 500, or 600 meters.
They have complete birthdates for most athletes, which is great for Age Records.
It's updated constantly.
One bad thing is that you can only get one event at a time (as far as I know!).
Much easier if you could scroll ALL events (for each sex) at once!
TFRSS
This one's good, but has HUGE flaws!
For one thing, it includes only NCAA meet Qualifiers!
Thus, it includes only those events contested at the NCAA Championships.
Then, it uses some sort of conversion equation, factoring in altitude and track size.
That means that the times you see aren't always the ACTUAL times!
Also, they don't differentiate between regulation 200 meter INdoor tracks and OT's.
However, if you sift through it carefully, it's fairly valuable for Collegiate marks.
eTN
I believe the only way to see this is to buy it!
The price is $38.95 per year, and includes also the online edition of Track and Field News.
(The subscription also gives you free access to all issues from 2002 forward!)
This is probably the best source for marks!
Why?
For each INdoor meet, they tell you the size of the track, so you know if it's an OT or not.
They have marks I don't see elsewhere!
They have fairly complete results of all the major meets, and highlights from lesser meets.
It also has Road Race results, for all distances from the 5000 to the Marathon.
Also, deep Cross Country results for the NCAA, Footlocker, NXN, and World and USATF XC
It has a schedule of upcoming meets, though the list is by no means complete!
So what's wrong with it?
They've included some marks that turned out to be false.
Occasionally, they won't highlight what I call a significant mark.
I think the reason for that is that they'll go just Top 10, as against my Top 24 DDD lists.
This causes some good marks to not be included at all, because it doesn't meet their standards.
Another "flaw", if you want to call it that, is that the only lists they provide are the year-end lists, and they follow the standards and rules of Track and Field News. (See T&FN below.)
They USED to have lots more lists, throughout the year (as did T&FN!!), but not the last several years.
T&FN
You know the Dickens sentence "It was the best of times; it was the worst of times."?
Well, the "Bible of the Sport" is both the best, and the worst, source of marks.
Let me state right here that I'm talking about the entire T&FN website, not just the magazine!
In fact, the magazine (except for the Annual issue, which has the Yearly Rankings and Top 40 World and US lists) is of little use as a source for marks all by itself!
But the website's lists have NUMEROUS flaws!
While the INdoor lists are entirely made up of INdoor marks, they do NOT separate the seasons once the INdoor season is finished (in mid-March)
After that date , they have what they've dubbed their "absolute" lists.
(These were also recently called their "comprehensive" lists, but I believe they've now landed on "absolute"!)
This means that, post-INdoors, if an OUTdoor mark is NOT as good as that athlete's INdoor mark, the INdoor mark is the ONLY one listed on that "absolute" list!
Thus, it's impossible to know, by looking at their lists, what Athlete X did OUTdoors, if their INdoor mark was better!
They include the same 4 groups as I do---World, US, Collegiate, and HS.
However, I've noticed some mistakes and exclusions.
(One example is in their new 2015 INdoor lists. Raven Saunders's opener of 56-3.75 is NOT listed. They show her latest--and inferior--mark of 53+ feet!)
However, as with the eTN, you'll sometimes find marks on these lists that I haven't seen elsewhere!
One more "flaw", if you will, is that they separate "foreign collegians" from American collegians.
So if you want ALL the Collegiate marks IN ORDER, you will NOT find that on the T&FN website.
You'll have to integrate the marks yourself.
Aaron K's Track and Field Record Book (and this blog)
I completely separate the INdoor and OUTdoor seasons.
There is no "absolute" or "comprehensive" list!
I go 24 deep (and sometimes more, if there are ties at the bottom end!!).
I omit ALL Oversize Track marks, although I'll make mention of some of them in my blog.
(See my previous post, which included many marks from the Seattle meet!)
Like the IAAF and TFRSS lists, I don't have every event (although I've added several events in the past year!).
Still omitted are every Road distance except the Marathon.
From OUTdoor lists, still omitted are the Walks, "junior", "youth", and "masters" throwing implement sizes.
For example, for the Shot Put, I have just the 12 and 16 pound shots.
Also excluded are most Relays.
INdoors, I omit the 55 and 55H, the 300 and 500, and the Walks, as well as several Relays.
I try to be as INclusive as possible, even mentioning some marks from events I don't have lists for.
I also try to be as ACCURATE as possible, but in many cases, I rely on OTHER'S accuracy!
However, I try to correct any errors I find!
I also present my marks in complete sentences, and try to make my remarks as entertaining and readable as this type of material can be!
So yes, I'm biased when I say I believe my lists are the BEST source for records and marks you'll find ANYwhere!!
If you agree, please continue to read my blog, and please tell everyone you know (who's into T&F records, marks, and lists) about it.
Up through an hour ago, I had 9500+ views on this blog.
I should reach the 10000 mark by the end of January!
Please comment on anything I say, or tell me if you believe my facts are wrong.
I want this to be an important and RELIABLE source for T&F records, marks, and lists.
And fun to read!
Thank you, everyone, for at least "viewing" Aaron K's Track and Field Record Book blog!
Sunday, January 18, 2015
Pole Vault Rules Over Fast-Starting 2015
Not one, but TWO Collegiate Records in the Pole Vault!
And not just since the first 2015 INdoor marks started coming in as early as November, but in less than ONE DAY this weekend!
That may be a record by itself!
Lots to report, so let's start with THE event of the past 2 seasons, the PV.
At the Texas-Arkansas Dual meet, Sandi Morris broke Kaitlin Petrillose's year-old record by vaulting 15-1.50, becoming just the 2nd Collegiate woman to surpass 15 feet INdoors!
And she beat Petrillose in the process, as Petrillose NH'ed!
Morris also gained the Senior Class record.
She moved all the way from 16th A-T Collegiate to the top rung!
She also became 7th A-T US, tied with 1 other!
Well, that didn't last long!
The next day, at the Texas A&M Aggie Invitational, a new CR holder was launched---literally!
Demi Payne, who had PR'ed a week or so ago at 14-9, added another 5+ inches, setting the new CR at 15-2.25!
(She then missed 3 tries at 15-3. Morris didn't try any higher heights!)
Payne also broke Morris's Senior Class record!
She moved from 7th A'T Collegiate, tied with 4 others, into 1st.
And she became 7th A-T US, moving up from 19th, where she was tied with 8 (!!) others!
But those weren't the only great PV marks from this weekend!
The PV Summit saw WR holder Renaud Lavillenie going over 19-5!
This was higher than he began his 2014 campaign!
Sam Kendricks, now a Pro, got a PR, jumping 19-2.75.
(If he'd remained a Collegian, he would have come within 1 centimeter of Shawn Barber's CR!!)
As it is, he moved to 6th A-T US, tied with 2 others!
On the HS level, "Mondo" Duplantis broke his own Freshman Class record from last week, and he did it TWICE!!
He first went over 16-2, getting his record by one inch.
Then he soared over 16-8, which is almost 5 inches higher than the OUTdoor Frosh record too!
Brandon Bray improved to 17-6, though he did this about a week ago!
This moves him from 13th A-T HS (tied with 3 others), up to 7th, where he's tied with 1 other!
Melissa Gergel got a good PR, reaching 14-9.
This makes her 19th A-T US, tied with 3 others.
She'd been 23rd, where she was tied with 2 others.
And that's just one event!!
Seattle's Washington Preview meet produced several good marks, and not all of them were illegal for record and list purposes!
(I'll get to those in a minute!)
The Women's 60 saw several good early season marks.
In the heats, it was Ky Westbrook, now a freshman at USC (Southern Cal), who ran fastest, going 7.21.
This missed my Top 24 list by just 0.03 seconds.
And she missed the Frosh Class record by 0.09.
But then she improved to 7.18 in the final!
This made her 20th A-T Collegiate, where she's tied with 5 others!
And she beat Oregon's Jenna Prandini, who ran 7.28.
But the winner of the Seattle 60 was another Duck, the lesser known Jasmine Todd!
She ran 7.15, which is a PR by just 0.01 seconds!
She moved from 14th A-T Collegiate, where she was tied with 3 others, up into 10th, where she has 4 others for company!
In a separate meet, Dezerea Bryant ran a 60 in 7.18.
Her PR, however, is 7.12 from last year.
John Teeters ran the fastest Collegiate 60 of 2015, hitting a good 6.54.
And that was in a heat!
(He ran a bit slower in the final!)
The 6.54 makes him 15th A-T Collegiate, tied with a massive TEN others!!
Another good sprint mark came from WJC hero Trentavis Friday, who is now a Collegiate freshman.
He ran the 200 in 20.86 in his first Collegiate race!
And he beat Aaron Ernest and Vernon Norwood in the process!
Three more field event marks that need mentioning.
Jared Lovelace is the new HS leader in the TJ, with his 50-1.75 effort.
He's just 1 and a half inches from my DDD list!
Becky O'Brien took over the US lead in the SP with her toss of 58-0.50.
It's not a PR, however.
And HSR holder Raven Saunders, in her 2nd Collegiate meet, fell off her opener of 56-3.75, reaching just 53-10.50!
In fact, a Senior class teammate of her's at Southern Illinois, beat her!
Well, let's return to the Seattle meet!
Relating to that, I want to make a brief comment first.
This is my blog.
When I began posting here over 13 months ago, I provided a few "guidelines", or "rules", which this blog would follow.
They included....
no 1600 or 3200 times, nor times converted from them!
no Oversize Track marks.
total separation of the seasons, INdoor from OUTdoor!
As creator and author of this blog, it's my right to choose the standards, the philosophy, and the theme.
And I can make the rules!
This is NOT an Aaron K-only decision.
Read other blogs.
They too follow the path set by their authors.
You choose to read them.....or not!
You like them.....or not!
In the world of T&F, I believe mine is the ONLY one which is TOTALLY about Records and Marks, as well as Places on All-Time lists!
There's also the T&FN website, House of Run, The Daily Relay, as well as sites which deal with the sport in general or specific terms, such as Let's Run, Runner Space, Mile Split, and Flotrack.
ALL of them have their own idiosyncratic rules, some of which I love....and some I don't.
My blog is no different!
I set the rules.....and my readers can like them....or not!
But I have no plans to change them!
That said, I will now report what happened on the 307 meter oval at Seattle's Dempsey Center!
And there WERE some wonderful races there!
If the Nike Oregon Project were there for "rust busters", well, said rust is BUSTED!!
Most of their athletes doubled.
And these doubles happened within the space of one hour, a few in just 30 minutes!
Leading the way were Matthew Centrowitz for the Men, and Shannon Rowbury for the Women.
Centro ran the 1000 in 2:19.53, beating Steepler Evan Jager, who ran 2:20.39.
He returned soon after to win the Mile, hitting 3:58.60.
Second was Canadian teammate Cam Levins, who ran 3:58.75.
And Stanford Frosh Sean McGorty dipped under 4:00, running 3:59.34 in 3rd!
And I've heard a rumor----maybe NOT a rumor!!---that Centro ran ANOTHER mile under 4:00 in his post-meet "training session", this time going something like 3:57-plus!!
Coach Salazar, you're NUTS!!
(Or is he? LOL)
Shannon Rowbury also ran a 1000 and a Mile, also winning both!
She opened with the 1000, winning in 2:40.25.
And following her were 2 other NOP women, Jordan Hasay in 2:41.08, then Treniere Moser in 2:41.50.
Then came that superstar Collegiate Freshman, Elise Cranny, who ran 2:42.39.
Further back was HS Soph Sophie Cantine, who couldn't repeat her 2:47.64 from last year, running "only" 2:50.25!
Rowbury, like Centro, returned inside of an hour to win the Mile in 4:27.86.
And once again, she had Jordan Hasay for company!
Hasay ran 4:28.73.
Then there was a gap of several seconds, when Treniere Moser crossed the line in 4:35.15.
Also doubling in Seattle was 800 girl Phoebe Wright.
She ran in that same Mile race, finishing in 4:38.68.
Wright also ran the 400 (!) in 55 seconds!
The last notable NOP doubler was 18 year old Mary Cain, now a student at the University of Portland, though only academically!
She ran the 600 and the 800.
But she did NOT win both!
First up was the 600, where she finished an overall 4th, though third in her heat.
A woman from another heat ran a bit faster than Cain, gaining a 2nd overall place
Cain's conquerer was another Stanford Super Freshman, Olivia Baker, who won in 1:29.42.
And an Oregon Frosh, Raevyn Rogers, also beat Cain, running 1:29.87.
Cain ran a solid 1:30.03.
(Note that in her first USATF Mile win, in the 2013 Albuquerque meet, she finished that slug-gishly slow 5:05 mile with a blazing 1:31 final 600!!)
Mary also returned just 30 minutes or so later, winning over a weak 800 field in 2:07.21
I'm not sure if Galen Rupp was at the meet, but I DO know he didn't race!
And neither did new Pro Alexa Efraimson!!
She had been listed on the Mile heat sheet, but didn't run.
Whether she was even at the meet, I have no idea.
Hopefully, it was her HS priorities, and not an injury or illness, that prevented her from racing!
Well, the above Seattle marks were great!
Especially if they were considered to be "rust-busters"!
And even more so for this early time of the season!
I mean, it's just mid-January!
But, as great as they were, NONE of them will make the Top 24 All-Time lists for the United States or Collegiate groups!
At best, you might find them as an appended "list"....UNDER the "legal marks" list!!
Too bad, because several of those marks WOULD make my Top 24's....IF the track were 200 meters around, not 307 meters!!
One thing's for sure, however---Centro, Rowbury, Hasay, Cain, and Moser, as well as Baker, Cranny, and a few others, are in MID-SEASON shape.....right now!!
Believe it or not, I've got a few MORE noteworthy marks to report!!
The Yale Classic HS meet produced some good marks.
In the Men's 3000, Connor Lundy beat Jeremy Spiezio, 8:26.55 to 8:26.84.
Lundy's time makes him 13th A-T HS, tied with 1 other.
Spiezio is now 15th A-T HS.
James Burke ran the 1000 in 2:26.75, making him 22nd A-T HS.
Remember my post on the Bronxville HS girls team?
Well, they're coming through with some good efforts!
The best (so far) was their Yale Classic DMR race.
They produced a 12:12.36, which is 2 seconds faster than they ran in 2014!
And it's still early in the season!
There were some good 500 meter times.
(I don't have lists for this event, so I don't know where they place All-Time!)
Erica Rucker had the fastest time, hitting 1:10.06.
Ajee Wilson (not the same race) ran 1:10.27.
Sophie Smellie ran 1:10.54.
(BTW, it was Smellie who beat Mary Cain in Cain's 2014 opener, also over 500 meters!)
On the Men's side, Bershawn Jackson produced a solid time of 1:01.45.
Natoya Goule ran a good 1000, her time of 2:43.03 making her 12th A-T Collegiate!
Last but definitely NOT least, Multiple Sclerosis victim Kayla Montgomery, the star of that fantastically moving ESPN video "Catching Kayla", ran her first Collegiate track race (for Tennessee's Lipscomb College), finishing 5th (of 10) in a 5000 race, running 17:41.56.
It's not her PR, as she ran 17:16+ at the 2014 NBIN meet!
I expect she'll be under 17:00 by season's end! (If she sticks to the 5000!!)
BTW, she was the first finisher for Lipscomb!
Four Junior Class runners finished ahead of her!
(Remember, she finished 7th on her team in the XC Regional race a couple of months back!)
Finally (WHEW!!), the USATF Half-Marathon Championships were run this morning in Houston.
Winning for the Men was new citizen Diego Estrada, who ran 1:00:51.
He broke away early, steadily increasing his lead, finally winning by 52 seconds!!
Jared Ward was 2nd, running 1:01:43.
Boston Marathon hero Meb Keflizighi was 4th, running 1:02:18.
Not bad for a guy less than 4 months shy of turning 40!!
The Women's winner was 4:24 Miler Kim Conley.
Her time was 1:09:44, an improvement of over 5 minutes from her first Half, which she admittedly ran as a pseudo-tempo training run, not really a race!.
So in her first "real" 13.1 miler, she came within 40 seconds of Molly Huddle's PR!!
Second Woman was Brianne Nelson, who ran 1:10:16.
(Conley broke from a group of 5 after the 10 mile point, also steadily increasing her lead, finally "racing" a male straggler over the final mile or so. She beat him!!)
Nelson, if you remember, was first American in that Edinburgh XC race!!
In 6th was new Pro Juliet Bottorff, who ran a good time of 1:11:30.
This was an incredible weekend of T&F (and road running)!
Especially considering how early in the season it still is.
What's next??
Only time (and height and distance) will tell!!
And not just since the first 2015 INdoor marks started coming in as early as November, but in less than ONE DAY this weekend!
That may be a record by itself!
Lots to report, so let's start with THE event of the past 2 seasons, the PV.
At the Texas-Arkansas Dual meet, Sandi Morris broke Kaitlin Petrillose's year-old record by vaulting 15-1.50, becoming just the 2nd Collegiate woman to surpass 15 feet INdoors!
And she beat Petrillose in the process, as Petrillose NH'ed!
Morris also gained the Senior Class record.
She moved all the way from 16th A-T Collegiate to the top rung!
She also became 7th A-T US, tied with 1 other!
Well, that didn't last long!
The next day, at the Texas A&M Aggie Invitational, a new CR holder was launched---literally!
Demi Payne, who had PR'ed a week or so ago at 14-9, added another 5+ inches, setting the new CR at 15-2.25!
(She then missed 3 tries at 15-3. Morris didn't try any higher heights!)
Payne also broke Morris's Senior Class record!
She moved from 7th A'T Collegiate, tied with 4 others, into 1st.
And she became 7th A-T US, moving up from 19th, where she was tied with 8 (!!) others!
But those weren't the only great PV marks from this weekend!
The PV Summit saw WR holder Renaud Lavillenie going over 19-5!
This was higher than he began his 2014 campaign!
Sam Kendricks, now a Pro, got a PR, jumping 19-2.75.
(If he'd remained a Collegian, he would have come within 1 centimeter of Shawn Barber's CR!!)
As it is, he moved to 6th A-T US, tied with 2 others!
On the HS level, "Mondo" Duplantis broke his own Freshman Class record from last week, and he did it TWICE!!
He first went over 16-2, getting his record by one inch.
Then he soared over 16-8, which is almost 5 inches higher than the OUTdoor Frosh record too!
Brandon Bray improved to 17-6, though he did this about a week ago!
This moves him from 13th A-T HS (tied with 3 others), up to 7th, where he's tied with 1 other!
Melissa Gergel got a good PR, reaching 14-9.
This makes her 19th A-T US, tied with 3 others.
She'd been 23rd, where she was tied with 2 others.
And that's just one event!!
Seattle's Washington Preview meet produced several good marks, and not all of them were illegal for record and list purposes!
(I'll get to those in a minute!)
The Women's 60 saw several good early season marks.
In the heats, it was Ky Westbrook, now a freshman at USC (Southern Cal), who ran fastest, going 7.21.
This missed my Top 24 list by just 0.03 seconds.
And she missed the Frosh Class record by 0.09.
But then she improved to 7.18 in the final!
This made her 20th A-T Collegiate, where she's tied with 5 others!
And she beat Oregon's Jenna Prandini, who ran 7.28.
But the winner of the Seattle 60 was another Duck, the lesser known Jasmine Todd!
She ran 7.15, which is a PR by just 0.01 seconds!
She moved from 14th A-T Collegiate, where she was tied with 3 others, up into 10th, where she has 4 others for company!
In a separate meet, Dezerea Bryant ran a 60 in 7.18.
Her PR, however, is 7.12 from last year.
John Teeters ran the fastest Collegiate 60 of 2015, hitting a good 6.54.
And that was in a heat!
(He ran a bit slower in the final!)
The 6.54 makes him 15th A-T Collegiate, tied with a massive TEN others!!
Another good sprint mark came from WJC hero Trentavis Friday, who is now a Collegiate freshman.
He ran the 200 in 20.86 in his first Collegiate race!
And he beat Aaron Ernest and Vernon Norwood in the process!
Three more field event marks that need mentioning.
Jared Lovelace is the new HS leader in the TJ, with his 50-1.75 effort.
He's just 1 and a half inches from my DDD list!
Becky O'Brien took over the US lead in the SP with her toss of 58-0.50.
It's not a PR, however.
And HSR holder Raven Saunders, in her 2nd Collegiate meet, fell off her opener of 56-3.75, reaching just 53-10.50!
In fact, a Senior class teammate of her's at Southern Illinois, beat her!
Well, let's return to the Seattle meet!
Relating to that, I want to make a brief comment first.
This is my blog.
When I began posting here over 13 months ago, I provided a few "guidelines", or "rules", which this blog would follow.
They included....
no 1600 or 3200 times, nor times converted from them!
no Oversize Track marks.
total separation of the seasons, INdoor from OUTdoor!
As creator and author of this blog, it's my right to choose the standards, the philosophy, and the theme.
And I can make the rules!
This is NOT an Aaron K-only decision.
Read other blogs.
They too follow the path set by their authors.
You choose to read them.....or not!
You like them.....or not!
In the world of T&F, I believe mine is the ONLY one which is TOTALLY about Records and Marks, as well as Places on All-Time lists!
There's also the T&FN website, House of Run, The Daily Relay, as well as sites which deal with the sport in general or specific terms, such as Let's Run, Runner Space, Mile Split, and Flotrack.
ALL of them have their own idiosyncratic rules, some of which I love....and some I don't.
My blog is no different!
I set the rules.....and my readers can like them....or not!
But I have no plans to change them!
That said, I will now report what happened on the 307 meter oval at Seattle's Dempsey Center!
And there WERE some wonderful races there!
If the Nike Oregon Project were there for "rust busters", well, said rust is BUSTED!!
Most of their athletes doubled.
And these doubles happened within the space of one hour, a few in just 30 minutes!
Leading the way were Matthew Centrowitz for the Men, and Shannon Rowbury for the Women.
Centro ran the 1000 in 2:19.53, beating Steepler Evan Jager, who ran 2:20.39.
He returned soon after to win the Mile, hitting 3:58.60.
Second was Canadian teammate Cam Levins, who ran 3:58.75.
And Stanford Frosh Sean McGorty dipped under 4:00, running 3:59.34 in 3rd!
And I've heard a rumor----maybe NOT a rumor!!---that Centro ran ANOTHER mile under 4:00 in his post-meet "training session", this time going something like 3:57-plus!!
Coach Salazar, you're NUTS!!
(Or is he? LOL)
Shannon Rowbury also ran a 1000 and a Mile, also winning both!
She opened with the 1000, winning in 2:40.25.
And following her were 2 other NOP women, Jordan Hasay in 2:41.08, then Treniere Moser in 2:41.50.
Then came that superstar Collegiate Freshman, Elise Cranny, who ran 2:42.39.
Further back was HS Soph Sophie Cantine, who couldn't repeat her 2:47.64 from last year, running "only" 2:50.25!
Rowbury, like Centro, returned inside of an hour to win the Mile in 4:27.86.
And once again, she had Jordan Hasay for company!
Hasay ran 4:28.73.
Then there was a gap of several seconds, when Treniere Moser crossed the line in 4:35.15.
Also doubling in Seattle was 800 girl Phoebe Wright.
She ran in that same Mile race, finishing in 4:38.68.
Wright also ran the 400 (!) in 55 seconds!
The last notable NOP doubler was 18 year old Mary Cain, now a student at the University of Portland, though only academically!
She ran the 600 and the 800.
But she did NOT win both!
First up was the 600, where she finished an overall 4th, though third in her heat.
A woman from another heat ran a bit faster than Cain, gaining a 2nd overall place
Cain's conquerer was another Stanford Super Freshman, Olivia Baker, who won in 1:29.42.
And an Oregon Frosh, Raevyn Rogers, also beat Cain, running 1:29.87.
Cain ran a solid 1:30.03.
(Note that in her first USATF Mile win, in the 2013 Albuquerque meet, she finished that slug-gishly slow 5:05 mile with a blazing 1:31 final 600!!)
Mary also returned just 30 minutes or so later, winning over a weak 800 field in 2:07.21
I'm not sure if Galen Rupp was at the meet, but I DO know he didn't race!
And neither did new Pro Alexa Efraimson!!
She had been listed on the Mile heat sheet, but didn't run.
Whether she was even at the meet, I have no idea.
Hopefully, it was her HS priorities, and not an injury or illness, that prevented her from racing!
Well, the above Seattle marks were great!
Especially if they were considered to be "rust-busters"!
And even more so for this early time of the season!
I mean, it's just mid-January!
But, as great as they were, NONE of them will make the Top 24 All-Time lists for the United States or Collegiate groups!
At best, you might find them as an appended "list"....UNDER the "legal marks" list!!
Too bad, because several of those marks WOULD make my Top 24's....IF the track were 200 meters around, not 307 meters!!
One thing's for sure, however---Centro, Rowbury, Hasay, Cain, and Moser, as well as Baker, Cranny, and a few others, are in MID-SEASON shape.....right now!!
Believe it or not, I've got a few MORE noteworthy marks to report!!
The Yale Classic HS meet produced some good marks.
In the Men's 3000, Connor Lundy beat Jeremy Spiezio, 8:26.55 to 8:26.84.
Lundy's time makes him 13th A-T HS, tied with 1 other.
Spiezio is now 15th A-T HS.
James Burke ran the 1000 in 2:26.75, making him 22nd A-T HS.
Remember my post on the Bronxville HS girls team?
Well, they're coming through with some good efforts!
The best (so far) was their Yale Classic DMR race.
They produced a 12:12.36, which is 2 seconds faster than they ran in 2014!
And it's still early in the season!
There were some good 500 meter times.
(I don't have lists for this event, so I don't know where they place All-Time!)
Erica Rucker had the fastest time, hitting 1:10.06.
Ajee Wilson (not the same race) ran 1:10.27.
Sophie Smellie ran 1:10.54.
(BTW, it was Smellie who beat Mary Cain in Cain's 2014 opener, also over 500 meters!)
On the Men's side, Bershawn Jackson produced a solid time of 1:01.45.
Natoya Goule ran a good 1000, her time of 2:43.03 making her 12th A-T Collegiate!
Last but definitely NOT least, Multiple Sclerosis victim Kayla Montgomery, the star of that fantastically moving ESPN video "Catching Kayla", ran her first Collegiate track race (for Tennessee's Lipscomb College), finishing 5th (of 10) in a 5000 race, running 17:41.56.
It's not her PR, as she ran 17:16+ at the 2014 NBIN meet!
I expect she'll be under 17:00 by season's end! (If she sticks to the 5000!!)
BTW, she was the first finisher for Lipscomb!
Four Junior Class runners finished ahead of her!
(Remember, she finished 7th on her team in the XC Regional race a couple of months back!)
Finally (WHEW!!), the USATF Half-Marathon Championships were run this morning in Houston.
Winning for the Men was new citizen Diego Estrada, who ran 1:00:51.
He broke away early, steadily increasing his lead, finally winning by 52 seconds!!
Jared Ward was 2nd, running 1:01:43.
Boston Marathon hero Meb Keflizighi was 4th, running 1:02:18.
Not bad for a guy less than 4 months shy of turning 40!!
The Women's winner was 4:24 Miler Kim Conley.
Her time was 1:09:44, an improvement of over 5 minutes from her first Half, which she admittedly ran as a pseudo-tempo training run, not really a race!.
So in her first "real" 13.1 miler, she came within 40 seconds of Molly Huddle's PR!!
Second Woman was Brianne Nelson, who ran 1:10:16.
(Conley broke from a group of 5 after the 10 mile point, also steadily increasing her lead, finally "racing" a male straggler over the final mile or so. She beat him!!)
Nelson, if you remember, was first American in that Edinburgh XC race!!
In 6th was new Pro Juliet Bottorff, who ran a good time of 1:11:30.
This was an incredible weekend of T&F (and road running)!
Especially considering how early in the season it still is.
What's next??
Only time (and height and distance) will tell!!
Thursday, January 15, 2015
On OT's (and other things)
A big blogger's perk is being able to write about whatever you want, even if the subject veers from your blog's purpose.
Even better is when that random subject is connected to your blog's heart, thus tying the random threads together.
One such thread is the announcement that a few members of NOP will be opening their INdoor season on Saturday at Seattle's Washington Preview meet.
The other thread is that the track measures 307 meters around, thus assuring that whatever times are run there will find themselves buried in the trash heap of Oversize Track obscurity.
It's happened many times before!
A few high (low?) lights:
1. Jenny Simpson (then Barringer) runs a 5000 in 15:01.70, the fastest time in INdoor Collegiate history!
2. Mary Cain runs a 3000 in 9:02.10, shattering the previous HSR by 15 seconds!
3. Alexa Efraimson breaks Cain's mark with her time of 9:00.16.
4. Ninth Grader Sophie Cantine shatters the Frosh Class 1000 record with her 2:47.64, coming within 0.35 of the SOPH Class record too!
And I could add tons of other marks!
What do these times have in common?
NONE of them broke any records, and NONE of them can be found on any list of legal INdoor times!
I've ranted about OT's before, probably more often than you care to read!
I've used all the above examples to explain why races run on OT's are wasted efforts.
Of the above examples, only Cain has a LEGAL time at the distance given!
She ran 9:04.51 enroute to a Two Mile, so HER name is on the 3000 list, and she holds that HSR.
But the others?
Nope, not at the distances those times were run!
I'll try to explain why I'm so strongly opposed to elite athletes racing on OT's, in a way other than how I've done it before.
Let's move OUTdoors for a minute.
OUTdoor tracks are 400 meters, and never an inch more (although some rare tracks are LESS than 400 meters).
Thus, times run on OUTdoor tracks can be neatly compared to other's times, no matter where in the world you are!
What if some rich dude (or gal) decided to build a spectacular 450 or 500 meter track?
And what if this track became THE place to try for fast Qualifying times for Championship meets?
After all, the less tight the curves, and the longer the straightaways, the faster you can run--and especially kick!
While the specifics are not the same, how is that not an advantage, in the same manner as having wind-aided marks, or drug-enhanced marks mixed in with "legit" marks?
You can't really measure marks on 400 meter tracks against those made on 500 meter tracks!
And it's the same INdoors!
Your ability to reach top speed, and avoid slowing too much, is much enhanced by the expanded turns and the longer straights of tracks 90 or more meters longer than 200 meters.
(There are various sizes to OT's, with popular ones measuring 268 meters (Air Force Academy), 290 meters (Nutter Field House, Lexington KY, Notre Dame's 352 yards, and of course Seattle's 307 meters!
Records are made to be broken, a cliche, but true.
Being listed as one of the Top 10, Top 40, or in the case of my T&F Record Book, Top 24 athletes EVER carries considerable gravitas when endorsement or shoe contract signing time comes around.
Sure, Nike or Brooks or whomever will probably ignore WHERE you ran that fast time!
In fact, they might even encourage you to seek out OT's in order to run that sub-4:00 Mile!
(Since OT marks are NOT legal for record or list purposes, the grandiose listing by Track and Field News of all the first sub-4's run by Americans is a ludicrous and absurd, and totally non-sensical way of making something out of nothing! I don't know the exact figure, but I'm guessing a LARGE number of those 420+ US sub-4's were run on Oversize Tracks!)
Last year, NOP opened their season on Boston University's 200 meter oval!
Galen Rupp ran TWO American Records, and Mary Cain ran TWO great times (2:39.25, then 4:24.11) in 2 separate meets there.
Cain was still living in Bronxville NY then, so didn't have to travel cross country to get there.
Rupp did, but he's out of school, so travel isn't much of a problem for him.
So maybe now that Mary is living and training in Portland--just a 3 and a half hour drive to Seattle--it's much more convenient for her to open her season in Seattle.
Besides, she had some success there in 2013.
And these races (Rupp might open there too, as well as Jordan Hasay, Treniere Moser, and Cam Levins!) are probably being thought of as rust-busters, with times not given much importance.
But for record and list buffs, whatever they run will carry the same degree of importance as times run in training!
Meaning NONE (except to make note of in your training log)!
They will be wasted efforts for list and record purposes!
Doesn't matter if a woman runs 3:55 for 1500, or a man runs 7:25 for 3000!
(BTW, an article states Cain will run the 600 meters, and one of her opponents will be Olivia Baker!)
NO times run on OT's should be eligible for Big Meet Q's!
If EVERYONE had access to an OT, and if ALL OT's were the same size (see above examples indicating they are NOT!), then of course it would be okay to accept OT times!
But then the rules would be changed, and 200 meter tracks would not be seen as the norm.
Why should OT's be allowed INdoors if they're not allowed OUTdoors?
How is it any different?
Well, let's move on!
This post's title includes "and other things".
Here, briefly, are a few.
1. Three groups, including one of athletes, have sent letters to USATF asking that they overturn the ruling that reversed the "popular" vote for Bob Hersh over Stephanie Hightower at their recent meeting! There is LOTS of support for this "demand". It also called for people to give examples of corruption within USATF and some other entities, INCLUDING evidence that Alberto Salazar and Nike were party to, and maybe the CAUSE of, said corruption! I wholly support this move. I believe Salazar should be strongly reprimanded, at the very least, and maybe sanctioned/suspended, for what he did at the 2014 USATF INdoor meet!
2. That Russian drug investigation is a God-awful MESS!! They're talking of fake photos and cover-ups! What the Hell is this, Watergate Redux?? Or WORSE?? And it's so very sad that a seemingly super-talented youngster---Yelena Lashmanova, the girl who "won" the 2013 WC 20K Walk, and "broke" the WR in the process!--got caught up in this mess!! She might carry some of the blame, but it seems MOST of that falls on the entire Russian Athletic community, especially the coaches and administrators!!
3. With Kaylin Whitney probably going Pro before she finishes HS (and all signs point to that, even possibly before her Senior year!), it might be time to change the rules defining amateurs and professionals. It's a known fact that Collegiate footballers and basketballers are paid professionals, even if payments are "laundered" in different ways. Why not T&F athletes? And what of HS'ers, like Cain (a FORMER HS'er!), Efraimson, Alana Hadley, and possibly in the near future, Kaylin Whitney? Why can't they get paid appearance fees, and be open to win prize money? Why should they be penalized for being students? Even scholarship athletes sometimes need part-time jobs to help pay for books or clothes, or food! What's the difference if they earn their money running, throwing, or jumping, rather than as a cashier, babysitter, or a stripper? They're NOT going to get rich while training full time and carrying 15 to 20 units of class work!
BTW, it's interesting that the 3 athletes who have recently gone Pro while still in High School have been all females! Is it that they're so much more talented? Even ones who went Pro AFTER HS graduation (but before starting college!) were female---think Allyson Felix and Ajee Wilson. (Why didn't Alan Webb turn Pro after his HSR's in the 1500 and 1 Mile?)
Enough!
While I will NOT put times run in Seattle on my lists, or accept them as records (if they "break" any!), I WILL tell you of any times good enough to make the lists....IF run on a 200 meter track!
Besides, there's several other meets which SHOULD produce several top-quality marks happening this weekend.
And from that point on, this blog will report ALL of them....in DETAIL!!
(Which, I'm sure you'll be grateful, will leave little time for me to pontificate on OT's (and other things)!! LOL)
Even better is when that random subject is connected to your blog's heart, thus tying the random threads together.
One such thread is the announcement that a few members of NOP will be opening their INdoor season on Saturday at Seattle's Washington Preview meet.
The other thread is that the track measures 307 meters around, thus assuring that whatever times are run there will find themselves buried in the trash heap of Oversize Track obscurity.
It's happened many times before!
A few high (low?) lights:
1. Jenny Simpson (then Barringer) runs a 5000 in 15:01.70, the fastest time in INdoor Collegiate history!
2. Mary Cain runs a 3000 in 9:02.10, shattering the previous HSR by 15 seconds!
3. Alexa Efraimson breaks Cain's mark with her time of 9:00.16.
4. Ninth Grader Sophie Cantine shatters the Frosh Class 1000 record with her 2:47.64, coming within 0.35 of the SOPH Class record too!
And I could add tons of other marks!
What do these times have in common?
NONE of them broke any records, and NONE of them can be found on any list of legal INdoor times!
I've ranted about OT's before, probably more often than you care to read!
I've used all the above examples to explain why races run on OT's are wasted efforts.
Of the above examples, only Cain has a LEGAL time at the distance given!
She ran 9:04.51 enroute to a Two Mile, so HER name is on the 3000 list, and she holds that HSR.
But the others?
Nope, not at the distances those times were run!
I'll try to explain why I'm so strongly opposed to elite athletes racing on OT's, in a way other than how I've done it before.
Let's move OUTdoors for a minute.
OUTdoor tracks are 400 meters, and never an inch more (although some rare tracks are LESS than 400 meters).
Thus, times run on OUTdoor tracks can be neatly compared to other's times, no matter where in the world you are!
What if some rich dude (or gal) decided to build a spectacular 450 or 500 meter track?
And what if this track became THE place to try for fast Qualifying times for Championship meets?
After all, the less tight the curves, and the longer the straightaways, the faster you can run--and especially kick!
While the specifics are not the same, how is that not an advantage, in the same manner as having wind-aided marks, or drug-enhanced marks mixed in with "legit" marks?
You can't really measure marks on 400 meter tracks against those made on 500 meter tracks!
And it's the same INdoors!
Your ability to reach top speed, and avoid slowing too much, is much enhanced by the expanded turns and the longer straights of tracks 90 or more meters longer than 200 meters.
(There are various sizes to OT's, with popular ones measuring 268 meters (Air Force Academy), 290 meters (Nutter Field House, Lexington KY, Notre Dame's 352 yards, and of course Seattle's 307 meters!
Records are made to be broken, a cliche, but true.
Being listed as one of the Top 10, Top 40, or in the case of my T&F Record Book, Top 24 athletes EVER carries considerable gravitas when endorsement or shoe contract signing time comes around.
Sure, Nike or Brooks or whomever will probably ignore WHERE you ran that fast time!
In fact, they might even encourage you to seek out OT's in order to run that sub-4:00 Mile!
(Since OT marks are NOT legal for record or list purposes, the grandiose listing by Track and Field News of all the first sub-4's run by Americans is a ludicrous and absurd, and totally non-sensical way of making something out of nothing! I don't know the exact figure, but I'm guessing a LARGE number of those 420+ US sub-4's were run on Oversize Tracks!)
Last year, NOP opened their season on Boston University's 200 meter oval!
Galen Rupp ran TWO American Records, and Mary Cain ran TWO great times (2:39.25, then 4:24.11) in 2 separate meets there.
Cain was still living in Bronxville NY then, so didn't have to travel cross country to get there.
Rupp did, but he's out of school, so travel isn't much of a problem for him.
So maybe now that Mary is living and training in Portland--just a 3 and a half hour drive to Seattle--it's much more convenient for her to open her season in Seattle.
Besides, she had some success there in 2013.
And these races (Rupp might open there too, as well as Jordan Hasay, Treniere Moser, and Cam Levins!) are probably being thought of as rust-busters, with times not given much importance.
But for record and list buffs, whatever they run will carry the same degree of importance as times run in training!
Meaning NONE (except to make note of in your training log)!
They will be wasted efforts for list and record purposes!
Doesn't matter if a woman runs 3:55 for 1500, or a man runs 7:25 for 3000!
(BTW, an article states Cain will run the 600 meters, and one of her opponents will be Olivia Baker!)
NO times run on OT's should be eligible for Big Meet Q's!
If EVERYONE had access to an OT, and if ALL OT's were the same size (see above examples indicating they are NOT!), then of course it would be okay to accept OT times!
But then the rules would be changed, and 200 meter tracks would not be seen as the norm.
Why should OT's be allowed INdoors if they're not allowed OUTdoors?
How is it any different?
Well, let's move on!
This post's title includes "and other things".
Here, briefly, are a few.
1. Three groups, including one of athletes, have sent letters to USATF asking that they overturn the ruling that reversed the "popular" vote for Bob Hersh over Stephanie Hightower at their recent meeting! There is LOTS of support for this "demand". It also called for people to give examples of corruption within USATF and some other entities, INCLUDING evidence that Alberto Salazar and Nike were party to, and maybe the CAUSE of, said corruption! I wholly support this move. I believe Salazar should be strongly reprimanded, at the very least, and maybe sanctioned/suspended, for what he did at the 2014 USATF INdoor meet!
2. That Russian drug investigation is a God-awful MESS!! They're talking of fake photos and cover-ups! What the Hell is this, Watergate Redux?? Or WORSE?? And it's so very sad that a seemingly super-talented youngster---Yelena Lashmanova, the girl who "won" the 2013 WC 20K Walk, and "broke" the WR in the process!--got caught up in this mess!! She might carry some of the blame, but it seems MOST of that falls on the entire Russian Athletic community, especially the coaches and administrators!!
3. With Kaylin Whitney probably going Pro before she finishes HS (and all signs point to that, even possibly before her Senior year!), it might be time to change the rules defining amateurs and professionals. It's a known fact that Collegiate footballers and basketballers are paid professionals, even if payments are "laundered" in different ways. Why not T&F athletes? And what of HS'ers, like Cain (a FORMER HS'er!), Efraimson, Alana Hadley, and possibly in the near future, Kaylin Whitney? Why can't they get paid appearance fees, and be open to win prize money? Why should they be penalized for being students? Even scholarship athletes sometimes need part-time jobs to help pay for books or clothes, or food! What's the difference if they earn their money running, throwing, or jumping, rather than as a cashier, babysitter, or a stripper? They're NOT going to get rich while training full time and carrying 15 to 20 units of class work!
BTW, it's interesting that the 3 athletes who have recently gone Pro while still in High School have been all females! Is it that they're so much more talented? Even ones who went Pro AFTER HS graduation (but before starting college!) were female---think Allyson Felix and Ajee Wilson. (Why didn't Alan Webb turn Pro after his HSR's in the 1500 and 1 Mile?)
Enough!
While I will NOT put times run in Seattle on my lists, or accept them as records (if they "break" any!), I WILL tell you of any times good enough to make the lists....IF run on a 200 meter track!
Besides, there's several other meets which SHOULD produce several top-quality marks happening this weekend.
And from that point on, this blog will report ALL of them....in DETAIL!!
(Which, I'm sure you'll be grateful, will leave little time for me to pontificate on OT's (and other things)!! LOL)
Tuesday, January 13, 2015
Go Pro, or No?
This is an "extra" post, prompted initially by the news flashing over the Twitterverse that Kaylin Whitney might turn Pro!
But then I found out something else, also about a star HS'er, or rather, a FORMER star HS'er!
Plus, there's a HUGE announcement about who will be competing where!
On the latter item, it's been announced that Dafne Schippers is going to compete in the Gotzis Heptathlon at the end of May!
At least for this competition, she is moving back from her speedy tour of the Sprints, to the realm that made her famous, the Multis!
And what a Gotzis this could be!
Jessica Ennis-Hill will also be returning to the Multis there!
And if Katerina Johnson-Thompson and Brianne Thiesen-Eaton also compete, THAT will be the featured event at this historic competition!
Yes, even if Ashton Eaton is there!
While I'm focused on INdoor T&F now, I am greatly looking forward to this meet!
So, Kaylin Whitney might go Pro.
Well, based on a Mile Split article I read, her Coach says it's "99%" sure she will NOT....at least not now!
But the same article quoted Whitney herself as saying that no decision had been made yet!
She might be dropping out of school, however.
At least the PHYSICAL classroom set-up!
The article mentioned she might "attend" a "virtual" school, which I assume must mean online!
It also stated she will NOT compete for her HS team.
(Yet this somewhat confusing article quoted her Coach as saying she might run some HS races, but as "unattached"!)
Remember a post from last year (after the WJ's?) when I listed a handful of athletes, both HS and Collegiate, who would be most likely to turn Pro before graduation?
Whitney was at the top of that list!
(I'm not claiming to be a seer or prophet! But after running 11.10 and 22.49 as a 16 year old Soph, you didn't need to be a genius to see what her future might hold!)
Let's Run, that so "intelligent" "sane" MB (See my post on MB's!), isn't really questioning her decision, but only her connection to druggie Dennis Mitchell!
Unless and until she DOES turn Pro, my blog will treat her results as eligible for HSR's and lists.
If and when she signs that contract, and is still in HS, her marks will be treated as "HS PRO Division", just as Mary Cain's 2014 season was, and Alexa Efraimson's upcoming track season will be!
The last item that was motivation for this post concerns someone I've written about before, in terms of questioning where she is, and what she's doing!
Wesley Frazier, that young lady who won the Mile, 2 Mile, and 5000 in VERY fast times on consecutive days at 2013's OUTdoor New Balance Nationals, initially signed with Duke.
Well you know the story--I've repeated it often enough.
One good race early in 2013 XC, then nothing, except a DNF in an INdoor 3000 in 2014, where she was NOT wearing the Duke uniform!
Then nothing until fall of 2014, when she ran ANOTHER solid XC race for Duke.
After that, silence!
Well, she's emerged!
With MORE questions than I had about her before!!
She's left Duke!
She is now a student at North Carolina State.
She is NOT on NC State's 2014-2015 T&F roster!
Here's my take:
1. She's redshirting.
2. She's forced to sit out a year because of NCAA transfer policies.
3. She's given up track.
I believe--and I'm NOT privy to her personal life or thoughts!--that maybe she was homesick, so moved back to her home state, and decided to attend NC State, where I believe sister Ryen has already signed with.
If she sits this year out---as a NC State athlete--she would have 2 years of eligibility left, which she could share with Ryen!
Whatever the case, I hope some ACTUAL NEWS emerges----from Wesley herself!!---as to what's happening!
Until then, one can only speculate.
But Wesley Frazier is----or WAS---a humongous talent---not very far removed from the measure of talent given Mary Cain and Alexa Efraimson!
I hope she emerges....better than ever before!
Next post is EXPECTED to be this Sunday or Monday, when I hope to have several great marks to report!
Oh, almost forgot!
Lipscomb College---where Kayla Montgomery goes--will have its first INdoor competition this weekend!
No matter what she does, I WILL be reporting on Kayla's results!
She is a remarkable woman, and I STRONGLY recommend you seek out, and watch, the ESPN video called "Catching Kayla"!
CORRECTION:
Didn't want to wait to mention this.
I made an ERROR concerning Dominique Scott, who ran the 1000 in 2:42.60 this past weekend.
I said her time was just 0.09 seconds removed from making my US Top 24 list!
Wellllll.......she's from South Africa, so isn't eligible for US lists!!
But she still rates as 8th A-T Collegiate!
Also, there seems to be some confusion concerning Liv Westphal, who ran 15:31.62 in the 5000 in December.
I stated she's from France, and in fact she ran on the French team last summer!
Yet I also stated that on T&FN's lists for 2014, she's listed on the US list, not the "foreign Collegian" section.
I just Googled both of them.
Scott is indeed from South Africa.
And Westphal is from France.
So WHY does T&FN list her on their United States list?
Answers MIGHT be forthcoming!
LOL
But then I found out something else, also about a star HS'er, or rather, a FORMER star HS'er!
Plus, there's a HUGE announcement about who will be competing where!
On the latter item, it's been announced that Dafne Schippers is going to compete in the Gotzis Heptathlon at the end of May!
At least for this competition, she is moving back from her speedy tour of the Sprints, to the realm that made her famous, the Multis!
And what a Gotzis this could be!
Jessica Ennis-Hill will also be returning to the Multis there!
And if Katerina Johnson-Thompson and Brianne Thiesen-Eaton also compete, THAT will be the featured event at this historic competition!
Yes, even if Ashton Eaton is there!
While I'm focused on INdoor T&F now, I am greatly looking forward to this meet!
So, Kaylin Whitney might go Pro.
Well, based on a Mile Split article I read, her Coach says it's "99%" sure she will NOT....at least not now!
But the same article quoted Whitney herself as saying that no decision had been made yet!
She might be dropping out of school, however.
At least the PHYSICAL classroom set-up!
The article mentioned she might "attend" a "virtual" school, which I assume must mean online!
It also stated she will NOT compete for her HS team.
(Yet this somewhat confusing article quoted her Coach as saying she might run some HS races, but as "unattached"!)
Remember a post from last year (after the WJ's?) when I listed a handful of athletes, both HS and Collegiate, who would be most likely to turn Pro before graduation?
Whitney was at the top of that list!
(I'm not claiming to be a seer or prophet! But after running 11.10 and 22.49 as a 16 year old Soph, you didn't need to be a genius to see what her future might hold!)
Let's Run, that so "intelligent" "sane" MB (See my post on MB's!), isn't really questioning her decision, but only her connection to druggie Dennis Mitchell!
Unless and until she DOES turn Pro, my blog will treat her results as eligible for HSR's and lists.
If and when she signs that contract, and is still in HS, her marks will be treated as "HS PRO Division", just as Mary Cain's 2014 season was, and Alexa Efraimson's upcoming track season will be!
The last item that was motivation for this post concerns someone I've written about before, in terms of questioning where she is, and what she's doing!
Wesley Frazier, that young lady who won the Mile, 2 Mile, and 5000 in VERY fast times on consecutive days at 2013's OUTdoor New Balance Nationals, initially signed with Duke.
Well you know the story--I've repeated it often enough.
One good race early in 2013 XC, then nothing, except a DNF in an INdoor 3000 in 2014, where she was NOT wearing the Duke uniform!
Then nothing until fall of 2014, when she ran ANOTHER solid XC race for Duke.
After that, silence!
Well, she's emerged!
With MORE questions than I had about her before!!
She's left Duke!
She is now a student at North Carolina State.
She is NOT on NC State's 2014-2015 T&F roster!
Here's my take:
1. She's redshirting.
2. She's forced to sit out a year because of NCAA transfer policies.
3. She's given up track.
I believe--and I'm NOT privy to her personal life or thoughts!--that maybe she was homesick, so moved back to her home state, and decided to attend NC State, where I believe sister Ryen has already signed with.
If she sits this year out---as a NC State athlete--she would have 2 years of eligibility left, which she could share with Ryen!
Whatever the case, I hope some ACTUAL NEWS emerges----from Wesley herself!!---as to what's happening!
Until then, one can only speculate.
But Wesley Frazier is----or WAS---a humongous talent---not very far removed from the measure of talent given Mary Cain and Alexa Efraimson!
I hope she emerges....better than ever before!
Next post is EXPECTED to be this Sunday or Monday, when I hope to have several great marks to report!
Oh, almost forgot!
Lipscomb College---where Kayla Montgomery goes--will have its first INdoor competition this weekend!
No matter what she does, I WILL be reporting on Kayla's results!
She is a remarkable woman, and I STRONGLY recommend you seek out, and watch, the ESPN video called "Catching Kayla"!
CORRECTION:
Didn't want to wait to mention this.
I made an ERROR concerning Dominique Scott, who ran the 1000 in 2:42.60 this past weekend.
I said her time was just 0.09 seconds removed from making my US Top 24 list!
Wellllll.......she's from South Africa, so isn't eligible for US lists!!
But she still rates as 8th A-T Collegiate!
Also, there seems to be some confusion concerning Liv Westphal, who ran 15:31.62 in the 5000 in December.
I stated she's from France, and in fact she ran on the French team last summer!
Yet I also stated that on T&FN's lists for 2014, she's listed on the US list, not the "foreign Collegian" section.
I just Googled both of them.
Scott is indeed from South Africa.
And Westphal is from France.
So WHY does T&FN list her on their United States list?
Answers MIGHT be forthcoming!
LOL
Monday, January 12, 2015
Quiet Time
Shhhhhh...!
Don't wake T&F up, it's trying to take a nap!
You know, before it REALLY has to get to work!
I thought about NOT having a post this week, saving what few marks I have for next week!
Then I came across a Women's 1000 run at the Arkansas Invitational on Saturday.
Stephanie Brown ran 2:41.31, beating Dominique Scott, who ran 2:42.60.
I then saw an article about it, and it said that T&FN had Scott's time as 8th A-T Collegiate.
But MY list had it as 3rd A-T Collegiate.
WHAT??
So I asked for help on T&FN's MB, and Voila!, someone gave a link to the "Lists" section of T&FN website.
And there it was, the INdoor Top 10's for the World, US, Collegiate, and HS, Men and Women!
And boy, was my list bereft of MANY of T&FN's marks!
Here's the deal!
Remember I said I was just STARTING to put together some event Top 24's I didn't have?
(This was many months ago!)
Well, my research turned out to be NOT so good!
The main reason was because my research mainly covered the eTN's from January 2002 on.
I own the TN's from 1990 to 2001, so I had about 24 years of research to do!
Anyway, VERY long story short, I did the needed revision, using the T&FN lists.
And even though they're only Top 10's, I found 6-8 "new" marks for each of my INdoor 600 and 1000 lists, both Men and Women!
Thank you, Dominique Scott, for running that time, making me realize my Book was lacking some important marks!
Suffice to say, my 600 and 1000 lists are probably STILL not completely there, but they're FAR better than they were just hours ago!!
Now, let's move on to the few marks I have to report.
And yes, we'll start with that Women's 1000.
So, Stephanie Brown ran 2:41.31.
Using my "new" list, she's now 21st A-T US.
And Ms Scott's 2:42.60 is now 8th A-T Collegiate (Just as T&FN noted!).
She just misses making the US Top-24....by 0.09 seconds!
Hopefully, BOTH women will run faster later in the season....along with many others!
Brooke Feldmeier ran a 600 in 1:29.53, making her 21st A-T Collegiate on my revised list!
The PV continues strong.
Armand DuPlantis, son of Greg, is the new HS Freshman Class record holder, with his mark of 16-1.
He improved on the previous record by almost 7 inches!
(He tried 16-4.75, but missed!)
Marian Fiack set the National Record of France with her jump of 15-5.50.
She's now 15th A-T World, tied with 2 others!
And Jacob Wooten vaulted 17-0.75, missing the A-T HS list by just one-fourth of an inch!
Finally, Adam Kelly improved his Weight Throw PR by 42 inches, throwing a great 82-8-75!
This improves his place from 11th to 7th on the A-T HS list!
In Scotland, they held a great XC meet.
The US won all but the 6000 meter Women's race!
In the Junior races, the US won both, with Makenna Morley beating Anna Rohrer, with Ryen Frazier taking 6th in the Women's race, while Olin Hacker took 3rd in the Men's short Junior race.
Garrett Heath beat Asbel Kiprop, among others, to win the Men's Adult 4K race.
Dathan Ritzenhein, who had won a 10K XC race in Italy just 5 days before, took 3rd in this race!
(He also beat Kiprop!)
Chris Derrick won the Men's 8000 meter race, with Jake Riley in 2nd.
But it was GB's 20 year old Emelia Gorecka who took the Women's 6000 meter race.
Favored Gemma Steele was 11th!!
Brianne Nelson was top American, in 4th!
This coming weekend SHOULD be rife with new marks, especially in the Collegiate and HS groups!
See you then!
Enjoy this quiet time!
Don't wake T&F up, it's trying to take a nap!
You know, before it REALLY has to get to work!
I thought about NOT having a post this week, saving what few marks I have for next week!
Then I came across a Women's 1000 run at the Arkansas Invitational on Saturday.
Stephanie Brown ran 2:41.31, beating Dominique Scott, who ran 2:42.60.
I then saw an article about it, and it said that T&FN had Scott's time as 8th A-T Collegiate.
But MY list had it as 3rd A-T Collegiate.
WHAT??
So I asked for help on T&FN's MB, and Voila!, someone gave a link to the "Lists" section of T&FN website.
And there it was, the INdoor Top 10's for the World, US, Collegiate, and HS, Men and Women!
And boy, was my list bereft of MANY of T&FN's marks!
Here's the deal!
Remember I said I was just STARTING to put together some event Top 24's I didn't have?
(This was many months ago!)
Well, my research turned out to be NOT so good!
The main reason was because my research mainly covered the eTN's from January 2002 on.
I own the TN's from 1990 to 2001, so I had about 24 years of research to do!
Anyway, VERY long story short, I did the needed revision, using the T&FN lists.
And even though they're only Top 10's, I found 6-8 "new" marks for each of my INdoor 600 and 1000 lists, both Men and Women!
Thank you, Dominique Scott, for running that time, making me realize my Book was lacking some important marks!
Suffice to say, my 600 and 1000 lists are probably STILL not completely there, but they're FAR better than they were just hours ago!!
Now, let's move on to the few marks I have to report.
And yes, we'll start with that Women's 1000.
So, Stephanie Brown ran 2:41.31.
Using my "new" list, she's now 21st A-T US.
And Ms Scott's 2:42.60 is now 8th A-T Collegiate (Just as T&FN noted!).
She just misses making the US Top-24....by 0.09 seconds!
Hopefully, BOTH women will run faster later in the season....along with many others!
Brooke Feldmeier ran a 600 in 1:29.53, making her 21st A-T Collegiate on my revised list!
The PV continues strong.
Armand DuPlantis, son of Greg, is the new HS Freshman Class record holder, with his mark of 16-1.
He improved on the previous record by almost 7 inches!
(He tried 16-4.75, but missed!)
Marian Fiack set the National Record of France with her jump of 15-5.50.
She's now 15th A-T World, tied with 2 others!
And Jacob Wooten vaulted 17-0.75, missing the A-T HS list by just one-fourth of an inch!
Finally, Adam Kelly improved his Weight Throw PR by 42 inches, throwing a great 82-8-75!
This improves his place from 11th to 7th on the A-T HS list!
In Scotland, they held a great XC meet.
The US won all but the 6000 meter Women's race!
In the Junior races, the US won both, with Makenna Morley beating Anna Rohrer, with Ryen Frazier taking 6th in the Women's race, while Olin Hacker took 3rd in the Men's short Junior race.
Garrett Heath beat Asbel Kiprop, among others, to win the Men's Adult 4K race.
Dathan Ritzenhein, who had won a 10K XC race in Italy just 5 days before, took 3rd in this race!
(He also beat Kiprop!)
Chris Derrick won the Men's 8000 meter race, with Jake Riley in 2nd.
But it was GB's 20 year old Emelia Gorecka who took the Women's 6000 meter race.
Favored Gemma Steele was 11th!!
Brianne Nelson was top American, in 4th!
This coming weekend SHOULD be rife with new marks, especially in the Collegiate and HS groups!
See you then!
Enjoy this quiet time!
Wednesday, January 7, 2015
2015 INdoor Records Predictions-Women
And now for the Women!
World-Women
This looks to be an exciting year in the WR's department, but NOT in the 60 or 200!
Irina Privalova's 6.92 and Merlene Ottey's 21.87,both now 22 years old, are safe.
That said (and as I've said before), if an in-shape SAFP competes INdoors, she could challenge the 60 mark!
Also as noted before, I think the Women's WR in the 400 isn't that great!
I just don't see it as that difficult to run a couple of 24.8 laps!!
With the European Championships happening this year, it could go.
Francena McCorory remains a threat!
The 600 WR of 1:23.44 was "almost" broken by Alysia Montano in 2013.
She's back from giving birth, and might be ready to challenge it.
But take any strong 400 runner or fast 800 woman, and you've got the makings of a sub-1:23 as a possibility!
The 800 WR is safe.
However, if the "right" people run it, and they get the "right" pace, Maria Mutola's 1000 mark of 2:30.94 could fall.
Figure an 800 in 1:59, then another 200 in 31.90!
Triple WR holder Genzebe Dibaba is coming back for more!!
This year, she's vowed to go after the 1 Mile and 5000 records, to go with her 1500, 3000, and 2 Mile WR's from last year!
As I've said before, if she'd tacked on another 109 meters to that 3:55, her Mile time would've been around 4:11 or 4:12!
The WR is "just" 4:17.14.
Goodbye!
Same for the 5000.
Dibaba would need a 3000 in just under 8:39, then hold the same pace, to get the WR.
If she's in 2014's INdoor shape, she could challenge the OUTdoor best of 14:11.15.
(That would take a 3000 in 8:30, then the same pace over the last 2000, for a time of 14:10!)
BTW, if she WERE to run a 14:10, she would come within about 3 seconds of breaking her 2 Mile WR enroute!!
As noted in an earlier post, Meseret Defar is going to run the Boston 2000.
That puts the WR of 5:30.53 in mortal danger!
Susan Kallur's 60H WR is still on the books, but maybe not for long.
For one thing, SHE (Kallur) is back!
And what will the top Americans do here?
I'd give this mark maybe a 15% chance of surviving!
The HJ is a bit unpredictable, what with the problems in the Russian community, and the banning of Inika McPherson.
Also, the Women's side just isn't as strong here as the Men's.
Thus, this WR is safe.
Heike Drechsler's WR is VERY safe, but the TJ WR isn't!
With Caterine Ibarguen going 50-3 OUTdoors last year, the WR of 50-4.75 is heavily threatened!
Jenn Suhr could threaten her own WR in the PV.
Isinbayeva is taking the year off--she says!!--so look for Fabiana Murer and Yarisley Silva to be Suhr's main opponents.
But Suhr would have to improve from 2014 by about a full foot!!
You can bronze the WR in the SP, bury it, and tell it to R.I.P!!
While the WT record is a good one, and mostly Americans compete in the event, it's still targetable for the current crop of US Hammer Throwers!
Can anyone amass 5000 points in the Pentathlon?
Yes!
But I just don't see it happening this year!
The "WR" in the DMR--which is also the Collegiate Record!--WILL fall!
And it will happen by an American team, anchored by Brenda Martinez!
(See my earlier post where I mention that!)
In fact, the record COULD fall by as much as 20 seconds!!
Russia's WR in the 4X800 (8:06.24) is very doable.
The only barrier to it falling is not having anybody trying for it!
With the Euros happening, I could see Great Britain taking down Russia's WR (3:23.37) in the 4X400.
US-Women
The 6.95 60's of Gail Devers and Marion Jones are probably safe, with "probably" the operative word here.
I'd give it only a 15% chance of falling!
However, the 200 AR of 22.18 is doable.
But again, not too probable.
I'd give this one a somewhat better 30% chance of going down.
The AR in the 400 is "only" 50.46.
Francena??
Allyson??
SRR??
Or Ms Phyllis Francis herself??
I think the 800 mark is safe, even though the US has a boatload of middle distance women capable of breaking it!
Also, Chanelle Price just had foot surgery.
The 1000 is in danger of falling!
If Brenda Martinez or Mary Cain get in the same race, and get solid pacing, it can fall.
(Probably to Brenda!)
It's NOT a difficult record, even though it's now 11 years old!
It would take an 800 in 2:01, with another 200 in 33!
Except for the fact she's probably not going to race a 1500 INdoors, Jenny Simpson would be a strong candidate to take down the 1500 AR of 3:59.98.
As would a few others!!
And you can add the 1 Mile mark to that list!
There's probably 5-8 American Women with that kind of talent and potential!
They have a Renaissance going, with NO sign it's slowing down!!
Emma Coburn (See an earlier post!) is the only one now entered in the 2000 at Boston, and I just don't think she has the speed to break the 2000 AR.
(Prove me wrong, Emma!)
But if someone else takes a shot, it could fall.
Unless Simpson or Shannon Rowbury (or...??) tries for it, the 3000 AR is safe.
However, THIS year, the AR in the Two Mile is GONE!
I just can't see Simpson mis-counting laps TWICE!!
And as I've said before, Cain could get it at the Armory meet...IF Salazar "allows" her to!!
I haven't heard of anybody going after the 5000 mark, so unless someone does, it's safe.
I think Lolo's 60H AR is going to fall this year.
I'll give it an 80% shot!
The HJ and LJ records are safe.
UNLESS Ms Lowe and Ms Barrett are in 2012 shape!
Or Ms Bartoletta in the LJ.
See my World remarks about Jenn Suhr.
The AR's in the Throws are probably safe.
But Michelle Carter is a threat to the SP mark.
Can the Pent record of 4805 be topped....by a Collegian?
Watch out for Kendell Williams!
See my World predictions for what I said about the DMR.
With no World indoor Champs, the 4X400 record is safe.
Collegiate-Women
The INdoor sprint CR's (7.09, 22.40, and 50.46) are relatively weak when compared to their OUTdoor equivalents.
So all 3 COULD go this year.
But WILL they?
I'd give all 3 about the same 60% chance of being broken!
I think the 600 mark could go.
The 800 SHOULD have gone last year, when Laura Roesler was still in school.
But it didn't!
And probably won't this year either!
However, if that VERY soft 1000 CR doesn't fall, all blame should go to those athletes CAPABLE of breaking it--and there are SEVERAL!!--who don't take a crack at it---on a 200 meter track!
Abbey D'Agostino's 4:09.77 1500 mark will fall!
Again, there are several candidates, not the least being Super Frosh Elise Cranny!
I hope it falls enroute to that person ALSO breaking the 1 Mile record, although the Mile is tougher than the 1500, though not by much!
Simpson's 3000 CR of 8:42.03 will probably stay, as the 3K isn't run that often by Collegians anymore--except on Seattle's OT!!
The 5000 CR was threatened---in December!!--by 2 women!
And the list of women who are talented enough to break it is VERY long!!
But they're Collegians, and Collegians mainly run for team points, not for time--early December races being the exception!
While Brianna Rollins's OUTdoor CR of 12.39 in the 100H is safe, her INdoor 60H is NOT!
No one is ready to challenge the HJ record.
The LJ (22-8) and TJ (46-9) CR's are fairly safe too.
Again, prove me wrong, ladies!
With the PV SUPER strong, I predict Kaitlin Petrillose's 15-1 might not even make the podium by season's end--unless Ms Petrillose leads the charge herself!
The list is almost endless of those who could reach 15 feet this year!
Unless Raven Saunders improves ANOTHER 14 feet this year, the SP record will stand!
(And I'm only half-joking! That girl has talent...AND enthusiasm unseen on the SP front for many years!)
Pretty sure the WT record will stay at 83-10.25!
Ms Williams (See earlier remark!) could break her own Pentathlon CR.
And unless she gets injured, I think she will!
Again, all the Relay records COULD fall, but most of them probably won't!
HS-Women
Here too, the BIG meet comes at season's end--the NBIN.
And it's very likely that numerous HSR's will fall there!
But with the first big mark of the season---for ANY of the 4 groups!!--being Ryen Frazier's Mile from November, I see a BIG year for HS Women!
Will Kaylin Whitney compete INdoors?
Will she be in 2014 summer shape?
If she is, look for the 60 (7.19) and 200 (22.97) HSR's going down!
If she doesn't get them, no one will!
While McCorory's 51.93 is a good record, it's also doable!
And believe it or not, a SOPH could be the one to do it!
Her name is Sydney McLaughlin.
She began this year with a 38.52 PR in the 300, adding a 55H win to the mix!
With the best Middle Distance runner having turned Pro, I'm pretty sure the HSR's---the "amateur" HSR's, that is!--of the 2 Mary's (Decker and Cain) will remain theirs.
Alexa Efraimson is a Senior in Camas WA HS now, but she, like Cain, is a Professional now!
And i just don't think the ones who remain amateurs---while VERY talented!---are capable of running 2:01.8 or 4:11.72 and 4:28.25!!
And while they're a bit "softer", I'd add Cain's HSR's of 9:04.51 and 9:38.68 to that list!
But the 5000 is a different story!
That record, broken in each of the last 3 editions of the NBIN (by Erin Finn in 2012, Wesley Frazier in 2013, and by Tessa Barrett in 2014), is about 99.9% certain of not only being broken, but being DESTROYED!!
I see the possibility of 3 or 4 girls going under 16:00---given everything going their way!
With Dior Hall graduated, her 60H record is safe!
Will Vashti Cunningham compete INdoors in the HJ?
If so, Lisa Bernhagen's now-31 year old HSR can fall.
While I think there might be a few 6 footers this year, I see only Cunningham capable of getting the record.
Both of the horizontal jumps records will stay on the books!
Although the LJ mark of 21-7.50 is far easier a target than the TJ mark, especially with Keturah Orji now a Collegian.
As i noted in a recent post, Desiree Freier's HSR is now back at 14-2.75, as her 14-6 has been ruled illegal.
But fear not!
The Weeks twins, Tori and Lexi, BOTH vaulted 14-0.50 this past weekend!
And as in the other groups, the PV is loaded with young talent!
Hate to say it, Ms Freier, but your record is going down!!
And it could very well happen BEFORE the NBIN meet!
The SP saw ALL of 2014's 50 footers graduate!
So unless there's another Raven Saunders out-of-nowhere explosion on the horizen, the SP record is safe!
The WT is still relatively new for HS Women!
Yet the HSR of 68-2.50 by Shelbi Ashe is strong!
Ms Ashe was one of HS's superstars just a few short years ago!
So I'd give it only a 40% chance of falling!
The HS Multis scene is unpredictable, as it is for the Men.
And with no likely future-Kendell Williams in the mix, I see her HSR staying intact!
Like with the Collegians, it's hard to predict Relay records!
Let's just say they're ALL vulnerable....at least!
And that's a wrap, folks!
THREE posts in one day!
I'm outta here!!
World-Women
This looks to be an exciting year in the WR's department, but NOT in the 60 or 200!
Irina Privalova's 6.92 and Merlene Ottey's 21.87,both now 22 years old, are safe.
That said (and as I've said before), if an in-shape SAFP competes INdoors, she could challenge the 60 mark!
Also as noted before, I think the Women's WR in the 400 isn't that great!
I just don't see it as that difficult to run a couple of 24.8 laps!!
With the European Championships happening this year, it could go.
Francena McCorory remains a threat!
The 600 WR of 1:23.44 was "almost" broken by Alysia Montano in 2013.
She's back from giving birth, and might be ready to challenge it.
But take any strong 400 runner or fast 800 woman, and you've got the makings of a sub-1:23 as a possibility!
The 800 WR is safe.
However, if the "right" people run it, and they get the "right" pace, Maria Mutola's 1000 mark of 2:30.94 could fall.
Figure an 800 in 1:59, then another 200 in 31.90!
Triple WR holder Genzebe Dibaba is coming back for more!!
This year, she's vowed to go after the 1 Mile and 5000 records, to go with her 1500, 3000, and 2 Mile WR's from last year!
As I've said before, if she'd tacked on another 109 meters to that 3:55, her Mile time would've been around 4:11 or 4:12!
The WR is "just" 4:17.14.
Goodbye!
Same for the 5000.
Dibaba would need a 3000 in just under 8:39, then hold the same pace, to get the WR.
If she's in 2014's INdoor shape, she could challenge the OUTdoor best of 14:11.15.
(That would take a 3000 in 8:30, then the same pace over the last 2000, for a time of 14:10!)
BTW, if she WERE to run a 14:10, she would come within about 3 seconds of breaking her 2 Mile WR enroute!!
As noted in an earlier post, Meseret Defar is going to run the Boston 2000.
That puts the WR of 5:30.53 in mortal danger!
Susan Kallur's 60H WR is still on the books, but maybe not for long.
For one thing, SHE (Kallur) is back!
And what will the top Americans do here?
I'd give this mark maybe a 15% chance of surviving!
The HJ is a bit unpredictable, what with the problems in the Russian community, and the banning of Inika McPherson.
Also, the Women's side just isn't as strong here as the Men's.
Thus, this WR is safe.
Heike Drechsler's WR is VERY safe, but the TJ WR isn't!
With Caterine Ibarguen going 50-3 OUTdoors last year, the WR of 50-4.75 is heavily threatened!
Jenn Suhr could threaten her own WR in the PV.
Isinbayeva is taking the year off--she says!!--so look for Fabiana Murer and Yarisley Silva to be Suhr's main opponents.
But Suhr would have to improve from 2014 by about a full foot!!
You can bronze the WR in the SP, bury it, and tell it to R.I.P!!
While the WT record is a good one, and mostly Americans compete in the event, it's still targetable for the current crop of US Hammer Throwers!
Can anyone amass 5000 points in the Pentathlon?
Yes!
But I just don't see it happening this year!
The "WR" in the DMR--which is also the Collegiate Record!--WILL fall!
And it will happen by an American team, anchored by Brenda Martinez!
(See my earlier post where I mention that!)
In fact, the record COULD fall by as much as 20 seconds!!
Russia's WR in the 4X800 (8:06.24) is very doable.
The only barrier to it falling is not having anybody trying for it!
With the Euros happening, I could see Great Britain taking down Russia's WR (3:23.37) in the 4X400.
US-Women
The 6.95 60's of Gail Devers and Marion Jones are probably safe, with "probably" the operative word here.
I'd give it only a 15% chance of falling!
However, the 200 AR of 22.18 is doable.
But again, not too probable.
I'd give this one a somewhat better 30% chance of going down.
The AR in the 400 is "only" 50.46.
Francena??
Allyson??
SRR??
Or Ms Phyllis Francis herself??
I think the 800 mark is safe, even though the US has a boatload of middle distance women capable of breaking it!
Also, Chanelle Price just had foot surgery.
The 1000 is in danger of falling!
If Brenda Martinez or Mary Cain get in the same race, and get solid pacing, it can fall.
(Probably to Brenda!)
It's NOT a difficult record, even though it's now 11 years old!
It would take an 800 in 2:01, with another 200 in 33!
Except for the fact she's probably not going to race a 1500 INdoors, Jenny Simpson would be a strong candidate to take down the 1500 AR of 3:59.98.
As would a few others!!
And you can add the 1 Mile mark to that list!
There's probably 5-8 American Women with that kind of talent and potential!
They have a Renaissance going, with NO sign it's slowing down!!
Emma Coburn (See an earlier post!) is the only one now entered in the 2000 at Boston, and I just don't think she has the speed to break the 2000 AR.
(Prove me wrong, Emma!)
But if someone else takes a shot, it could fall.
Unless Simpson or Shannon Rowbury (or...??) tries for it, the 3000 AR is safe.
However, THIS year, the AR in the Two Mile is GONE!
I just can't see Simpson mis-counting laps TWICE!!
And as I've said before, Cain could get it at the Armory meet...IF Salazar "allows" her to!!
I haven't heard of anybody going after the 5000 mark, so unless someone does, it's safe.
I think Lolo's 60H AR is going to fall this year.
I'll give it an 80% shot!
The HJ and LJ records are safe.
UNLESS Ms Lowe and Ms Barrett are in 2012 shape!
Or Ms Bartoletta in the LJ.
See my World remarks about Jenn Suhr.
The AR's in the Throws are probably safe.
But Michelle Carter is a threat to the SP mark.
Can the Pent record of 4805 be topped....by a Collegian?
Watch out for Kendell Williams!
See my World predictions for what I said about the DMR.
With no World indoor Champs, the 4X400 record is safe.
Collegiate-Women
The INdoor sprint CR's (7.09, 22.40, and 50.46) are relatively weak when compared to their OUTdoor equivalents.
So all 3 COULD go this year.
But WILL they?
I'd give all 3 about the same 60% chance of being broken!
I think the 600 mark could go.
The 800 SHOULD have gone last year, when Laura Roesler was still in school.
But it didn't!
And probably won't this year either!
However, if that VERY soft 1000 CR doesn't fall, all blame should go to those athletes CAPABLE of breaking it--and there are SEVERAL!!--who don't take a crack at it---on a 200 meter track!
Abbey D'Agostino's 4:09.77 1500 mark will fall!
Again, there are several candidates, not the least being Super Frosh Elise Cranny!
I hope it falls enroute to that person ALSO breaking the 1 Mile record, although the Mile is tougher than the 1500, though not by much!
Simpson's 3000 CR of 8:42.03 will probably stay, as the 3K isn't run that often by Collegians anymore--except on Seattle's OT!!
The 5000 CR was threatened---in December!!--by 2 women!
And the list of women who are talented enough to break it is VERY long!!
But they're Collegians, and Collegians mainly run for team points, not for time--early December races being the exception!
While Brianna Rollins's OUTdoor CR of 12.39 in the 100H is safe, her INdoor 60H is NOT!
No one is ready to challenge the HJ record.
The LJ (22-8) and TJ (46-9) CR's are fairly safe too.
Again, prove me wrong, ladies!
With the PV SUPER strong, I predict Kaitlin Petrillose's 15-1 might not even make the podium by season's end--unless Ms Petrillose leads the charge herself!
The list is almost endless of those who could reach 15 feet this year!
Unless Raven Saunders improves ANOTHER 14 feet this year, the SP record will stand!
(And I'm only half-joking! That girl has talent...AND enthusiasm unseen on the SP front for many years!)
Pretty sure the WT record will stay at 83-10.25!
Ms Williams (See earlier remark!) could break her own Pentathlon CR.
And unless she gets injured, I think she will!
Again, all the Relay records COULD fall, but most of them probably won't!
HS-Women
Here too, the BIG meet comes at season's end--the NBIN.
And it's very likely that numerous HSR's will fall there!
But with the first big mark of the season---for ANY of the 4 groups!!--being Ryen Frazier's Mile from November, I see a BIG year for HS Women!
Will Kaylin Whitney compete INdoors?
Will she be in 2014 summer shape?
If she is, look for the 60 (7.19) and 200 (22.97) HSR's going down!
If she doesn't get them, no one will!
While McCorory's 51.93 is a good record, it's also doable!
And believe it or not, a SOPH could be the one to do it!
Her name is Sydney McLaughlin.
She began this year with a 38.52 PR in the 300, adding a 55H win to the mix!
With the best Middle Distance runner having turned Pro, I'm pretty sure the HSR's---the "amateur" HSR's, that is!--of the 2 Mary's (Decker and Cain) will remain theirs.
Alexa Efraimson is a Senior in Camas WA HS now, but she, like Cain, is a Professional now!
And i just don't think the ones who remain amateurs---while VERY talented!---are capable of running 2:01.8 or 4:11.72 and 4:28.25!!
And while they're a bit "softer", I'd add Cain's HSR's of 9:04.51 and 9:38.68 to that list!
But the 5000 is a different story!
That record, broken in each of the last 3 editions of the NBIN (by Erin Finn in 2012, Wesley Frazier in 2013, and by Tessa Barrett in 2014), is about 99.9% certain of not only being broken, but being DESTROYED!!
I see the possibility of 3 or 4 girls going under 16:00---given everything going their way!
With Dior Hall graduated, her 60H record is safe!
Will Vashti Cunningham compete INdoors in the HJ?
If so, Lisa Bernhagen's now-31 year old HSR can fall.
While I think there might be a few 6 footers this year, I see only Cunningham capable of getting the record.
Both of the horizontal jumps records will stay on the books!
Although the LJ mark of 21-7.50 is far easier a target than the TJ mark, especially with Keturah Orji now a Collegian.
As i noted in a recent post, Desiree Freier's HSR is now back at 14-2.75, as her 14-6 has been ruled illegal.
But fear not!
The Weeks twins, Tori and Lexi, BOTH vaulted 14-0.50 this past weekend!
And as in the other groups, the PV is loaded with young talent!
Hate to say it, Ms Freier, but your record is going down!!
And it could very well happen BEFORE the NBIN meet!
The SP saw ALL of 2014's 50 footers graduate!
So unless there's another Raven Saunders out-of-nowhere explosion on the horizen, the SP record is safe!
The WT is still relatively new for HS Women!
Yet the HSR of 68-2.50 by Shelbi Ashe is strong!
Ms Ashe was one of HS's superstars just a few short years ago!
So I'd give it only a 40% chance of falling!
The HS Multis scene is unpredictable, as it is for the Men.
And with no likely future-Kendell Williams in the mix, I see her HSR staying intact!
Like with the Collegians, it's hard to predict Relay records!
Let's just say they're ALL vulnerable....at least!
And that's a wrap, folks!
THREE posts in one day!
I'm outta here!!
2015 INdoor Records Predictions-Men
In this post, I will cover all 4 groups--World, US, Collegiate, and HS.
There's a lot to cover, so I'll begin with the Men.
World-Men
While I believe Justin Gatlin will compete INdoors, I don't think he can go faster than Mo Greene's 6.39 in the 60.
The Europeans will have their INdoor Championships, but I also don't see any Euros as being that fast!
Same goes for the 200, although that 19.92 is a somewhat easier target.
I've said it before, and I'll repeat it.
If LaShawn Merritt or Kirani James took a SERIOUS shot at the 44.57 WR, it would be GONE!!
Of the Middle Distance events (600,800, 1000, 1500, 1 Mile, 2000), I'd call the 600 and 1000 the easiest targets.
The 1000 needs "just" an 800 in 1:45 with another lap in 29.95!
The Distance events (3000, 2 Mile, 5000) already have WR attempt promises!
Galen Rupp will target K Bekele's 8:04.35 Two Mile on January 31st.
He "almost" made it last year at BU, but after about 2600 meters, fell off the needed pace!
I think he can do it this year!
The INdoor 3000 and 5000 WR's are too tough!
It would take the top 2 or 3 guys making a SERIOUS attempt on those records to get them!
Colin Jackson's 7.30 60H WR is safe!
With Renaud Lavillenie set for the Karlsruhe meet (See my previous post!), anything can happen, even a WR.
And with the European Championship on the calendar, I'm assuming Karlsruhe will not be the only meet where Lavillenie will compete!
The HJ WR is "only" 7-11.50.
Will Barshim, Bondarenko and Company attack it?
If they do, I'd give Sotomayor's record an 80% chance of falling!
The LJ WR is safe.
But the TJ WR of 58-9.50 could go, with Teddy Tamgho and Will Claye in the mix.
Both throwing events (SP, WT) WR's are going to still be there when 2015 is done!
I said it before, but if Ashton Eaton tries for his own record of 6645 in the Hept, he can break it.
The DMR time of 9:25.97 is getting a major attack from the US and Kenya at the Armory meet. (See my previous post!).
It would take a simple combo of 2:52, 48, 1:50, and 3:55 to get it.
And you can juggle those numbers in several ways, and still break the record!
It's GONE!
If anyone goes after the 4X800 record of 7:13.11, that mark can go down too.
It's "just" four 1:48.27's!!
The 4X400 is safe.
US-Men
The 60 is safe. (See above.)
The 200 AR of 20.10 is possible, but not likely.
I'd give it about 30% chance.
See above for my 400 prediction!
Johnny Gray's 1:45.00 in the 800 COULD go, but probably won't, although Duane Solomon seems ready for a big year.
Remember that last year, Nick Symmonds said HE was targeting the AR (AND the 1000 mark too!).
Will he do it this year?
I don't see it, with all his extra-curricular activities perhaps messing up his training routine!
The 600 mark of 1:15.61 could go, as Eric Sowinski is entered in a BIG race. (Don't have the details here, but it includes some Top-rated Americans!)
I think the 1500, 1 Mile, and 2000 AR's are safe.
That is, unless Rupp or Will Leer go for them!
As noted above, Rupp is aiming for the WORLD Record in the 2 Mile.
But I don't see the 3000 AR going down in that race too!
And as far as I know, there's no NOP tries for the 5K mark this year!
The 60H record is safe.
If Eric Kynard is in shape, Hollis Conway's 7-10.50 HJ record could go, or at least be tied!
The LJ AR won't be broken.
See above for my take on the TJ mark!
Despite all the attention paid the PV (See my post on that!), I just don't see Jeff Hartwig's 19-9 in any danger this year.
See above for my Throws predictions.
Same for the Heptathlon!
Also for the Relays!
Collegiate-Men
With Trayvon Bromell and Trentavis Friday possibly competing, both Sprint events (60 and 200) could fall!
The CR's are 6.45 and 20.10.
They're tough--even for those 2--but doable.
I'd give the 60 a 55% chance of going, while the 200 gets a 70% chance!
The 400 and 800 are safe.
But the 600, being VERY popular Collegiately in recent years, could fall.
Same goes for the 1000.
That 2:18.55 would take a 1:48.5 with a final lap in 30.00 to break it!
Not certain, but I'm guessing Ed Cheserek will race mostly to win, not to break records.
That said, Ches is Ches!
The 1500, 1 Mile, 3000, and 5000 CR's are ALL in danger.... if Cheserek chooses to ATTACK the records!
Even without the injured Devon Allen, the Collegiate short hurdles scene is strong!
The CR of 7.47 could go.
The HJ, LJ, and TJ CR's can go to sleep for another year free of nightmares of someone crushing them to death!
The PV Collegiate Record has ALREADY been broken!!
Can it fall again?
YES!!
And it could be either Shawn Barber or Sam Kendricks doing the honors!
Ryan Whiting's SP mark is tough, but Ryan Crouser could get it.
The 79-7.50 WT CR is a "softie".
I see at least one 80 footer on the horizen!
And maybe a FEW!!
Eaton's 6499 Hept is probably safe, though the Collegiate Multi's scene is fairly strong!
(But probably not THAT strong!)
As I've said before, Relays records are hard to predict, not knowing a team's make-up.
Also messing things up is the fact that many fast relays are spoiled by their being run on Oversize Tracks!
But I could see the DMR going down, as well as the 4X400.
Oh Hell, how about ALL of them!!
(Only half-kidding!)
HS-Men
It's too bad that most of the record-breaking on the High School level doesn't happen until the END of the season--at the NBIN meet.
But this season appears to be off to an early start, as the 1st reportable mark (Ryen Frazier's mile) came VERY early---in November!!
That said, let's see what's what with the Men HSers!
Casey Combest's 60 HSR is safe.
But Noah Lyles could get the 200 mark of 20.69.
He's just an 11th grader!
The 400 HSR won't fall.
The 600 HSR of 1:17.58 has gotten an early threat from Richard Rose, who has already run 1:18.40!
With Grant Fisher in the mix, the 1000 mark could be in danger, as well as Alan Webb's iconic 1500 and 1 Mile HSR's of 3:43.27 and 3:59.86.
And if Fisher (or several other strong contenders!) goes after them, the 3000 and 2 mile HSR's of Ed Cheserek could fall too!
(If Fisher runs 3:43.0 and 3:59.0, and given a 15 second per half slowdown rate, he could run 7:56 and 8:28. Even a 20 second slowdown rate would give him times of 8:06---VERY close to the HSR!--and 8:38!)
As with the Women, the Men's 5000 INdoor HSR is relatively weak!
Yes, even though it was set by King Ches!!
But....13:57.04 is still a VERY good record, especially for INdoors!
If "they" attack it--presumably at NBIN--it could go.
Both the 39 inch (7.57) and 42 inch (7.85) 60H HSR's are probably safe.
I'd give them slightly less than 50% chance of going down!
The HJ record of 7-5.25 is safe....I think!
So are the LJ and TJ marks!
Although the LJ SEEMS to be on a bit of an upward spiral!
Devin King's PV mark is NOT safe!
Not with Brandon Bray and Pauli Benavides ALREADY over 17-3!!
Forget about seeing the SP or WT records falling any time soon!
The Pentathlon HSR is Gunnar Nixon's 4307.
Can it fall?
The HS Multis are tough to predict, as newcomers pop up out of nowhere more frequently than in other events.
That said, I see Nixon's mark remaining on the books after this season is over!
As in the other groups, HSR's in the Relays are NEVER completely safe!
I can't wait to see how many---or IF any!--- go down!
Wanting to give equal room to the women, I'm going to do them in a separate post!!
(That will make THREE posts in one day!! LOL)
See you all soon!
Oh, and thank you for making my PV post my most viewed post ever!!
There's a lot to cover, so I'll begin with the Men.
World-Men
While I believe Justin Gatlin will compete INdoors, I don't think he can go faster than Mo Greene's 6.39 in the 60.
The Europeans will have their INdoor Championships, but I also don't see any Euros as being that fast!
Same goes for the 200, although that 19.92 is a somewhat easier target.
I've said it before, and I'll repeat it.
If LaShawn Merritt or Kirani James took a SERIOUS shot at the 44.57 WR, it would be GONE!!
Of the Middle Distance events (600,800, 1000, 1500, 1 Mile, 2000), I'd call the 600 and 1000 the easiest targets.
The 1000 needs "just" an 800 in 1:45 with another lap in 29.95!
The Distance events (3000, 2 Mile, 5000) already have WR attempt promises!
Galen Rupp will target K Bekele's 8:04.35 Two Mile on January 31st.
He "almost" made it last year at BU, but after about 2600 meters, fell off the needed pace!
I think he can do it this year!
The INdoor 3000 and 5000 WR's are too tough!
It would take the top 2 or 3 guys making a SERIOUS attempt on those records to get them!
Colin Jackson's 7.30 60H WR is safe!
With Renaud Lavillenie set for the Karlsruhe meet (See my previous post!), anything can happen, even a WR.
And with the European Championship on the calendar, I'm assuming Karlsruhe will not be the only meet where Lavillenie will compete!
The HJ WR is "only" 7-11.50.
Will Barshim, Bondarenko and Company attack it?
If they do, I'd give Sotomayor's record an 80% chance of falling!
The LJ WR is safe.
But the TJ WR of 58-9.50 could go, with Teddy Tamgho and Will Claye in the mix.
Both throwing events (SP, WT) WR's are going to still be there when 2015 is done!
I said it before, but if Ashton Eaton tries for his own record of 6645 in the Hept, he can break it.
The DMR time of 9:25.97 is getting a major attack from the US and Kenya at the Armory meet. (See my previous post!).
It would take a simple combo of 2:52, 48, 1:50, and 3:55 to get it.
And you can juggle those numbers in several ways, and still break the record!
It's GONE!
If anyone goes after the 4X800 record of 7:13.11, that mark can go down too.
It's "just" four 1:48.27's!!
The 4X400 is safe.
US-Men
The 60 is safe. (See above.)
The 200 AR of 20.10 is possible, but not likely.
I'd give it about 30% chance.
See above for my 400 prediction!
Johnny Gray's 1:45.00 in the 800 COULD go, but probably won't, although Duane Solomon seems ready for a big year.
Remember that last year, Nick Symmonds said HE was targeting the AR (AND the 1000 mark too!).
Will he do it this year?
I don't see it, with all his extra-curricular activities perhaps messing up his training routine!
The 600 mark of 1:15.61 could go, as Eric Sowinski is entered in a BIG race. (Don't have the details here, but it includes some Top-rated Americans!)
I think the 1500, 1 Mile, and 2000 AR's are safe.
That is, unless Rupp or Will Leer go for them!
As noted above, Rupp is aiming for the WORLD Record in the 2 Mile.
But I don't see the 3000 AR going down in that race too!
And as far as I know, there's no NOP tries for the 5K mark this year!
The 60H record is safe.
If Eric Kynard is in shape, Hollis Conway's 7-10.50 HJ record could go, or at least be tied!
The LJ AR won't be broken.
See above for my take on the TJ mark!
Despite all the attention paid the PV (See my post on that!), I just don't see Jeff Hartwig's 19-9 in any danger this year.
See above for my Throws predictions.
Same for the Heptathlon!
Also for the Relays!
Collegiate-Men
With Trayvon Bromell and Trentavis Friday possibly competing, both Sprint events (60 and 200) could fall!
The CR's are 6.45 and 20.10.
They're tough--even for those 2--but doable.
I'd give the 60 a 55% chance of going, while the 200 gets a 70% chance!
The 400 and 800 are safe.
But the 600, being VERY popular Collegiately in recent years, could fall.
Same goes for the 1000.
That 2:18.55 would take a 1:48.5 with a final lap in 30.00 to break it!
Not certain, but I'm guessing Ed Cheserek will race mostly to win, not to break records.
That said, Ches is Ches!
The 1500, 1 Mile, 3000, and 5000 CR's are ALL in danger.... if Cheserek chooses to ATTACK the records!
Even without the injured Devon Allen, the Collegiate short hurdles scene is strong!
The CR of 7.47 could go.
The HJ, LJ, and TJ CR's can go to sleep for another year free of nightmares of someone crushing them to death!
The PV Collegiate Record has ALREADY been broken!!
Can it fall again?
YES!!
And it could be either Shawn Barber or Sam Kendricks doing the honors!
Ryan Whiting's SP mark is tough, but Ryan Crouser could get it.
The 79-7.50 WT CR is a "softie".
I see at least one 80 footer on the horizen!
And maybe a FEW!!
Eaton's 6499 Hept is probably safe, though the Collegiate Multi's scene is fairly strong!
(But probably not THAT strong!)
As I've said before, Relays records are hard to predict, not knowing a team's make-up.
Also messing things up is the fact that many fast relays are spoiled by their being run on Oversize Tracks!
But I could see the DMR going down, as well as the 4X400.
Oh Hell, how about ALL of them!!
(Only half-kidding!)
HS-Men
It's too bad that most of the record-breaking on the High School level doesn't happen until the END of the season--at the NBIN meet.
But this season appears to be off to an early start, as the 1st reportable mark (Ryen Frazier's mile) came VERY early---in November!!
That said, let's see what's what with the Men HSers!
Casey Combest's 60 HSR is safe.
But Noah Lyles could get the 200 mark of 20.69.
He's just an 11th grader!
The 400 HSR won't fall.
The 600 HSR of 1:17.58 has gotten an early threat from Richard Rose, who has already run 1:18.40!
With Grant Fisher in the mix, the 1000 mark could be in danger, as well as Alan Webb's iconic 1500 and 1 Mile HSR's of 3:43.27 and 3:59.86.
And if Fisher (or several other strong contenders!) goes after them, the 3000 and 2 mile HSR's of Ed Cheserek could fall too!
(If Fisher runs 3:43.0 and 3:59.0, and given a 15 second per half slowdown rate, he could run 7:56 and 8:28. Even a 20 second slowdown rate would give him times of 8:06---VERY close to the HSR!--and 8:38!)
As with the Women, the Men's 5000 INdoor HSR is relatively weak!
Yes, even though it was set by King Ches!!
But....13:57.04 is still a VERY good record, especially for INdoors!
If "they" attack it--presumably at NBIN--it could go.
Both the 39 inch (7.57) and 42 inch (7.85) 60H HSR's are probably safe.
I'd give them slightly less than 50% chance of going down!
The HJ record of 7-5.25 is safe....I think!
So are the LJ and TJ marks!
Although the LJ SEEMS to be on a bit of an upward spiral!
Devin King's PV mark is NOT safe!
Not with Brandon Bray and Pauli Benavides ALREADY over 17-3!!
Forget about seeing the SP or WT records falling any time soon!
The Pentathlon HSR is Gunnar Nixon's 4307.
Can it fall?
The HS Multis are tough to predict, as newcomers pop up out of nowhere more frequently than in other events.
That said, I see Nixon's mark remaining on the books after this season is over!
As in the other groups, HSR's in the Relays are NEVER completely safe!
I can't wait to see how many---or IF any!--- go down!
Wanting to give equal room to the women, I'm going to do them in a separate post!!
(That will make THREE posts in one day!! LOL)
See you all soon!
Oh, and thank you for making my PV post my most viewed post ever!!
Some MAJOR Announcements
Seems every time I try to get started on my promised INdoor Records Predictions post, I find some MAJOR announcement (via Twitter & T&FN, mainly) that forces me to postpone it!
So consider this an "extra" post, but at least in part, connected to my upcoming (SOON!!) predictions post!
Without further ado, here are the MAJOR announcements of the title!
Desiree Freier's INdoor HSR has been reduced!
T&FN has claimed that there were some illegalities in the planting box, and therefore the 14-6 she vaulted in that OUTdoor Texas meet last year (where the PV was moved INdoors because of bad weather) is NOT legal!
Thus, while Freier still holds the INdoor HSR, it's her 14-2.75, NOT that 14-6!
Of course, she also is the OUTdoor HSR holder with her 14-7.25 from the WJC meet!
BTW, Jack Shepard's 2015 edition of his HS Track agrees!
That 14-6 is nowhere to be found in his book!
Another big announcement is that I made an error!
(That's a "big" announcement?? LOL)
It concerns Liv Westphal, who finished 3rd in that spectacular INdoor 5000 in December.
I said in the post about the 5K that she was of French nationality, and therefore not eligible for the US Top 24 list.
I was wrong, based on the lists published in the February issue of T&FN, and reprinted in their eTN.
Her 15:31.62 is listed on T&FN US list of top 2014 marks.
(Although their list is their "absolute" list, meaning it has both OUTdoor AND INdoor marks!! UGH!!)
Anyway, that mark makes her 11th A-T US INdoors!!
I have one new mark to report.
British runner Kirsten McAslan has run the 600 INdoors in 1:26.22.
That's 2nd on the British list, to Jenny Meadows!
It's the Age 21 record too.
And it makes her 15th A-T World!
The remaining "MAJOR" announcements are all about who is going to compete where.
These include OUTdoor meets (and races) as well as INdoor.
While I thought to just incorporate them into my Records Predictions post, I'll list them separately here, with brief "record possibility" information.
I'll do INdoors first.
The Boston NB meet just got better!
Meseret Defar is returning from giving birth with her 1st race being Boston's 2000 meters race!
Gabriela Szabo's WR of 5:30.53 is definitely in jeopardy, IF Defar returns in top shape!
(I'm assuming she WILL be!!)
Genzebe Dibaba's Ethiopian record of 5:34.25 should be broken also.
As for Kim Conley's 5:41.10 Meet Record? Bye-bye!!
Set to join her will be Emma Coburn.
She looks to improve on her 5:47.20 (5th A-T US) from last year.
Also announced for Boston is 40 year old Bernard Lagat.
He'll race the 3000, where he WILL shatter the INdoor Age 40 record!
But he might lose the race, as Hagos Gebrhiwet will run also!
The Karlsruhe meet (January 31st) just got very HOT!!
Renaud Lavillenie will PV there!
Will he break his own WR?
He'll have Raphael Holzdeppe for "competition"!
Also set for Karlsruhe is David Storl in the SP.
Already announced for the January 31st Armory Track Invitational are Mary Cain and Jordan Hasay in the 2 Mile.
Add Abbey D'Agostino, Marielle Hall, and Buze Direba to the mix!
Galen Rupp is aiming for the WR (!!) at this meet, and will have NOP mate Cam Levins along for the ride, as well as Japan's Suguru Okao.
While Rupp should win easily, I'm not so sure Cain will!
Especially if Salazar has her on the leash of "Go for Defar's record, and ignore the "faster girls"!" idea he gave her before her 2013 race against Tirunesh Dibaba!
I personally hope she goes for the WIN (and gets the AR in the process!!), not just 9:34.02!
The Women's HJ at this meet will feature the top 2 drug-free Americans, Brigetta Barrett and Chaunte Lowe!
Barrett is hopefully coming back from a fairly dry 2014.
Will Claye was previously announced for the TJ.
Speaking of the Armory meet, the Men's DMR is going to be GREAT!
Set to compete:
United States (with Matt Centrowitz anchoring?)
Kenya (don't know their team's make-up)
Ireland
Brooks Beasts
NJ/NY TC
and Collegiate teams
Villanova
Mississippi
Columbia
Wisconsin
This meet is a TWO day affair (January 30th set for all HS and Collegiate events), so I'm not sure if the Collegiate teams listed above will be in the Pro race, or in a separate Collegiate race.
A couple of announcements for OUTdoor events!
The Boston Marathon's US entry list includes the iconic Meb Keflezighi and Shalane Flanagan!
But Meb will have Jeff Eggleston , Fernando Cabada, Nick Arcianaga, AND Dathan Ritzenhein to contend with.
Flanagan will have Des Linden and Amy Hastings to make the race honest!
The Gotzis Multis (end of May) just got the World Record holder on its list of entrants.
And he's bringing his wife along, where SHE will also compete!
Ashton Eaton better be in top shape, as 2014's Top-rated Decathlete, Trey Hardee is also on the list!
I will immediately get to work on my Predictions post, which should be up in a couple of hours!
I promise!
LOL
So consider this an "extra" post, but at least in part, connected to my upcoming (SOON!!) predictions post!
Without further ado, here are the MAJOR announcements of the title!
Desiree Freier's INdoor HSR has been reduced!
T&FN has claimed that there were some illegalities in the planting box, and therefore the 14-6 she vaulted in that OUTdoor Texas meet last year (where the PV was moved INdoors because of bad weather) is NOT legal!
Thus, while Freier still holds the INdoor HSR, it's her 14-2.75, NOT that 14-6!
Of course, she also is the OUTdoor HSR holder with her 14-7.25 from the WJC meet!
BTW, Jack Shepard's 2015 edition of his HS Track agrees!
That 14-6 is nowhere to be found in his book!
Another big announcement is that I made an error!
(That's a "big" announcement?? LOL)
It concerns Liv Westphal, who finished 3rd in that spectacular INdoor 5000 in December.
I said in the post about the 5K that she was of French nationality, and therefore not eligible for the US Top 24 list.
I was wrong, based on the lists published in the February issue of T&FN, and reprinted in their eTN.
Her 15:31.62 is listed on T&FN US list of top 2014 marks.
(Although their list is their "absolute" list, meaning it has both OUTdoor AND INdoor marks!! UGH!!)
Anyway, that mark makes her 11th A-T US INdoors!!
I have one new mark to report.
British runner Kirsten McAslan has run the 600 INdoors in 1:26.22.
That's 2nd on the British list, to Jenny Meadows!
It's the Age 21 record too.
And it makes her 15th A-T World!
The remaining "MAJOR" announcements are all about who is going to compete where.
These include OUTdoor meets (and races) as well as INdoor.
While I thought to just incorporate them into my Records Predictions post, I'll list them separately here, with brief "record possibility" information.
I'll do INdoors first.
The Boston NB meet just got better!
Meseret Defar is returning from giving birth with her 1st race being Boston's 2000 meters race!
Gabriela Szabo's WR of 5:30.53 is definitely in jeopardy, IF Defar returns in top shape!
(I'm assuming she WILL be!!)
Genzebe Dibaba's Ethiopian record of 5:34.25 should be broken also.
As for Kim Conley's 5:41.10 Meet Record? Bye-bye!!
Set to join her will be Emma Coburn.
She looks to improve on her 5:47.20 (5th A-T US) from last year.
Also announced for Boston is 40 year old Bernard Lagat.
He'll race the 3000, where he WILL shatter the INdoor Age 40 record!
But he might lose the race, as Hagos Gebrhiwet will run also!
The Karlsruhe meet (January 31st) just got very HOT!!
Renaud Lavillenie will PV there!
Will he break his own WR?
He'll have Raphael Holzdeppe for "competition"!
Also set for Karlsruhe is David Storl in the SP.
Already announced for the January 31st Armory Track Invitational are Mary Cain and Jordan Hasay in the 2 Mile.
Add Abbey D'Agostino, Marielle Hall, and Buze Direba to the mix!
Galen Rupp is aiming for the WR (!!) at this meet, and will have NOP mate Cam Levins along for the ride, as well as Japan's Suguru Okao.
While Rupp should win easily, I'm not so sure Cain will!
Especially if Salazar has her on the leash of "Go for Defar's record, and ignore the "faster girls"!" idea he gave her before her 2013 race against Tirunesh Dibaba!
I personally hope she goes for the WIN (and gets the AR in the process!!), not just 9:34.02!
The Women's HJ at this meet will feature the top 2 drug-free Americans, Brigetta Barrett and Chaunte Lowe!
Barrett is hopefully coming back from a fairly dry 2014.
Will Claye was previously announced for the TJ.
Speaking of the Armory meet, the Men's DMR is going to be GREAT!
Set to compete:
United States (with Matt Centrowitz anchoring?)
Kenya (don't know their team's make-up)
Ireland
Brooks Beasts
NJ/NY TC
and Collegiate teams
Villanova
Mississippi
Columbia
Wisconsin
This meet is a TWO day affair (January 30th set for all HS and Collegiate events), so I'm not sure if the Collegiate teams listed above will be in the Pro race, or in a separate Collegiate race.
A couple of announcements for OUTdoor events!
The Boston Marathon's US entry list includes the iconic Meb Keflezighi and Shalane Flanagan!
But Meb will have Jeff Eggleston , Fernando Cabada, Nick Arcianaga, AND Dathan Ritzenhein to contend with.
Flanagan will have Des Linden and Amy Hastings to make the race honest!
The Gotzis Multis (end of May) just got the World Record holder on its list of entrants.
And he's bringing his wife along, where SHE will also compete!
Ashton Eaton better be in top shape, as 2014's Top-rated Decathlete, Trey Hardee is also on the list!
I will immediately get to work on my Predictions post, which should be up in a couple of hours!
I promise!
LOL
Sunday, January 4, 2015
Pole Vault is High Flying
In my previous post from earlier today, I mentioned that Shawn Barber had jumped 19-3, and that if the meet were considered legal, that it would set several records.
Well, I've got that information, and a whole bunch more!
It seems the Pole Vault, as in 2014, is the HOT event again this year!
So much so that I believe it deserves this "extra" post!
First, the results from that spectacular meet--the Expo Explosion VI in Benton TX!
Yes, Shawn Barber's 19-3 Vault is the new Collegiate Record!
It's also the Collegiate Junior Class record.
And the Canadian National record--the first vault over 19 feet by a Canadian!
And you can add the Age 20 record to the list!
But Barber wasn't the only hot vaulter there!
Sam Kendricks finished 2nd to Barber, with a jump of 18-9.
This moves him to 8th A-T Collegiate!
Two HS'ers jumped 17-3!
Brandon Bray and Pauli Benavides are now both 13th A-T HS, and both are tied with 3 others, including each other!
On the Women's side, there was a major upset, as the CR holder, Kaitlin Petrillose, was defeated by Stephen F Austin Junior Demi Payne, who vaulted a great 14-9!
This makes her 5th A-T Collegiate, tied with 4 others!
And it places her 19th A-T US, tied with 2 others.
BTW, Petrillose vaulted 13-9!
That wraps up the Texas meet!
But there was a meet in Arkansas where 2 HS girls had excellent marks!
In fact, these 2 girls have the same last name!
Yes, they are TWINS!
Lexi Weeks and Tori Weeks both vaulted 14-0.50!
This places both as 4th A-T HS, tied with....each other!
Talk about sibling rivalry----er, unity!!
Those were the results in this one event on this one weekend in the 1st week of January!
But let's look a bit at the larger picture in this exciting event.
First, I'll do a brief review of the OUTdoor PV, the Men first.
The OUTdoor WR is 20-1.75 by Sergey Bubka in 1994.
The American Record is Brad Walker's 19-9.75 from 2008.
The Collegiate Record is Lawrence Johnson's 19-7.50 from 1996.
The HS record is Shawn Barber's 18-3.50 from 2012!
It takes a vault of 17-6 to make the HS Top 24 list!
Eight HS vaulters have cleared 18 feet OUTdoors!
It takes a vault of 18-7.25 to make my Collegiate DDD.
Six Collegiate Men have jumped 19 feet OUTdoors.
You need a jump of 19-0.25 to make the US Top 24 list.
Seven Americans have cleared at least 19-6 OUTdoors!
It takes a 19-5.50 vault to be a World DDD lister!
Only 7 have reached 19-9 OUTdoors!
Now for the OUTdoor scene on the Women's side.
The WR is Yelena Isinbayeva's 16-7.25, dating from 2009.
The US record is Jenn (Stuczynski) Suhr's 16-1.75 from 2008.
She wasn't SUHR yet then! (My FINAL Suhr joke....maybe!!)
The Collegiate Record is Tina Sutej's 15-1.50 from 2011.
And the HSR is Desiree Freier's 14-7.25 from 2014.
It takes a vault of 13-6.25 to make the OUTdoor HS DDD.
Eight girls have cleared at least 14-0 OUTdoors.
You need a jump of 14-5.25 to make the Collegiate OUTdoor list.
Only 3 women have vaulted 15-0 OUTdoors.
It takes a 14-7.50 to make the US Top 24.
(But that will change fast! 23rd place is 14-9!)
Just Suhr has vaulted 16 feet, and only 6 Americans have made at least 15-3!
It takes a 15-5 to make the World OUTdoor list.
There have been 4 sixteen footers so far!
Now let's go where the NOW action is----INdoors!
Again, the Men go first.
I know it's been repeated a gazillion times, but the WR is now Renaud Lavillenie's 20-2.50 from 2014!
The AR is Jeff Hartwig's 19-9 from 2002.
The Collegiate Record is.....Shawn Barber's 19-3.....from 2015!!
And the HSR is Devin King's 17-10.25 from 2014!
You need a 17-1 vault to make the HS Top 24 list.
There are 7 guys who have cleared at least 17-6 INdoors.
It takes at least 18-6 to make the INdoor Collegiate list.
Just 6 have cleared 19-0 or more INdoors.
It takes 18-9.50 to make the US DDD list.
Only 5 Americans have done 19-3 or higher INdoors!
It takes a vault of 19-4.25 to make the World DDD.
Two----and you know who they are!!----have jumped 20 feet INdoors!
In my previous post, I listed all the numbers from my T&F Record Book, decade by decade.
Well, let's take a deeper look at the INdoor numbers for the PV.
The World INdoor Top 24 actually has 27 athletes listed, because of ties!
Over half of them--14, to be exact--date from the 20th century!
And 5 of those are from the 1980's!
The Americans fare worse!
Of the 24 marks on the list (no extras from ties), 15 are from 1999 or earlier!
Worse yet, only ONE dates from after 2009, Brad Walker's 19-2.75 from 2012!
The Collegiate Men are only slightly better than the Americans.
Of their 24, there's 14 dating from the last century!
And 6 of those are from the Big Hair decade!!
(The 80's, for those culturally deprived! LOL)
There are 25 HS guys on my list, due to ties.
While they rate the best, there's still 5 from the last century, with Joe Dial's 17-4.50 the oldest, dating from 1981!
Last, but definitely NOT least, here's the Women's INdoor stats!
The World Record belongs to Jenn Suhr, her 16-5.50 dating from 2013.
Of course, the American Record is the same!
The Collegiate Record is Kaitlin Petrillose's 15-1 from 2014.
And the HSR is Desiree Freier's 14-6, also from 2014.
(Remember, this happened during an OUTdoor meet, in which the PV was moved INdoors because of lousy weather!)
On the HS DDD list for INdoors, it takes a vault of 13-3 to make it there.
There are now SIX girls---including the most recent jumps by the Weeks twins!---who have cleared at least 14-0 INdoors!
There are 26 Women on the Collegiate DDD, due to ties.
It takes a jump of 14-3.50 to make that list.
And of those, just one has cleared at least 15-0.
But 9--including Payne's PR--have done 14-9 or higher!
It takes 14-7.25 to make the US Top 24 list---which is actually 25 strong, as there are ties!
Only Suhr has gone 16-0 or better, but 12 have now done 15-0 or more.
(But just 5 of those have done 15-3 or higher!)
You need 15-3.50 to make the World Top 24!
Just Suhr and Isinbayeva have gone over 16-0 INdoors.
And 7 have done 15-9 or higher.
The World DDD is TOTALLY in this century!!
The oldest mark is from 2002.
Fifteen Women's marks are from THIS decade, meaning from 2010 to now!
The United States is ALSO completely in the 21st century!!
They have 3 marks dating from 2002, the oldest.
And they match the World Women, as there are also 15 dating from 2010 forward!
Of the 26 Women on the Collegiate list, the oldest is ALSO from 2002!
And a whopping 19 are from 2010 or later!
Twelve of these are from 2013, 2014, or THIS year (Payne)!
Keeping with the other 3 groups, the HS Girls Top 24 are all from the 21st century.
But only 13 date from this decade!
However, of those 13, a full 11 of them are from 2013, 2014, or 2015 (the Weeks twins!!).
Oh, BTW, the oldest here is ALSO from 2002, she being the pioneering Samantha Shepard!
In conclusion, we see that the PV---for Men and Women, both OUTdoors and INdoors--is one of, if not THE, most dynamic events in Track and Field!
Yes, there are other DDD lists that are totally from the 21st century (the Men's Marathon, for example!), but the PV surely rates VERY high on the short list of fastest-evolving events!
What took place in those 2 meets in Texas and Arkansas this weekend surely show that it's only getting better....FAST!
It's just the first week of January!
Most of the HS'ers and the Collegians won't REALLY start their INdoor season until mid-January!
And the World and US vaulters won't rev it up until toward the END of this month!!
Stay tuned for a MASS revision of ALL of my PV records and lists in the coming months!
Well, I've got that information, and a whole bunch more!
It seems the Pole Vault, as in 2014, is the HOT event again this year!
So much so that I believe it deserves this "extra" post!
First, the results from that spectacular meet--the Expo Explosion VI in Benton TX!
Yes, Shawn Barber's 19-3 Vault is the new Collegiate Record!
It's also the Collegiate Junior Class record.
And the Canadian National record--the first vault over 19 feet by a Canadian!
And you can add the Age 20 record to the list!
But Barber wasn't the only hot vaulter there!
Sam Kendricks finished 2nd to Barber, with a jump of 18-9.
This moves him to 8th A-T Collegiate!
Two HS'ers jumped 17-3!
Brandon Bray and Pauli Benavides are now both 13th A-T HS, and both are tied with 3 others, including each other!
On the Women's side, there was a major upset, as the CR holder, Kaitlin Petrillose, was defeated by Stephen F Austin Junior Demi Payne, who vaulted a great 14-9!
This makes her 5th A-T Collegiate, tied with 4 others!
And it places her 19th A-T US, tied with 2 others.
BTW, Petrillose vaulted 13-9!
That wraps up the Texas meet!
But there was a meet in Arkansas where 2 HS girls had excellent marks!
In fact, these 2 girls have the same last name!
Yes, they are TWINS!
Lexi Weeks and Tori Weeks both vaulted 14-0.50!
This places both as 4th A-T HS, tied with....each other!
Talk about sibling rivalry----er, unity!!
Those were the results in this one event on this one weekend in the 1st week of January!
But let's look a bit at the larger picture in this exciting event.
First, I'll do a brief review of the OUTdoor PV, the Men first.
The OUTdoor WR is 20-1.75 by Sergey Bubka in 1994.
The American Record is Brad Walker's 19-9.75 from 2008.
The Collegiate Record is Lawrence Johnson's 19-7.50 from 1996.
The HS record is Shawn Barber's 18-3.50 from 2012!
It takes a vault of 17-6 to make the HS Top 24 list!
Eight HS vaulters have cleared 18 feet OUTdoors!
It takes a vault of 18-7.25 to make my Collegiate DDD.
Six Collegiate Men have jumped 19 feet OUTdoors.
You need a jump of 19-0.25 to make the US Top 24 list.
Seven Americans have cleared at least 19-6 OUTdoors!
It takes a 19-5.50 vault to be a World DDD lister!
Only 7 have reached 19-9 OUTdoors!
Now for the OUTdoor scene on the Women's side.
The WR is Yelena Isinbayeva's 16-7.25, dating from 2009.
The US record is Jenn (Stuczynski) Suhr's 16-1.75 from 2008.
She wasn't SUHR yet then! (My FINAL Suhr joke....maybe!!)
The Collegiate Record is Tina Sutej's 15-1.50 from 2011.
And the HSR is Desiree Freier's 14-7.25 from 2014.
It takes a vault of 13-6.25 to make the OUTdoor HS DDD.
Eight girls have cleared at least 14-0 OUTdoors.
You need a jump of 14-5.25 to make the Collegiate OUTdoor list.
Only 3 women have vaulted 15-0 OUTdoors.
It takes a 14-7.50 to make the US Top 24.
(But that will change fast! 23rd place is 14-9!)
Just Suhr has vaulted 16 feet, and only 6 Americans have made at least 15-3!
It takes a 15-5 to make the World OUTdoor list.
There have been 4 sixteen footers so far!
Now let's go where the NOW action is----INdoors!
Again, the Men go first.
I know it's been repeated a gazillion times, but the WR is now Renaud Lavillenie's 20-2.50 from 2014!
The AR is Jeff Hartwig's 19-9 from 2002.
The Collegiate Record is.....Shawn Barber's 19-3.....from 2015!!
And the HSR is Devin King's 17-10.25 from 2014!
You need a 17-1 vault to make the HS Top 24 list.
There are 7 guys who have cleared at least 17-6 INdoors.
It takes at least 18-6 to make the INdoor Collegiate list.
Just 6 have cleared 19-0 or more INdoors.
It takes 18-9.50 to make the US DDD list.
Only 5 Americans have done 19-3 or higher INdoors!
It takes a vault of 19-4.25 to make the World DDD.
Two----and you know who they are!!----have jumped 20 feet INdoors!
In my previous post, I listed all the numbers from my T&F Record Book, decade by decade.
Well, let's take a deeper look at the INdoor numbers for the PV.
The World INdoor Top 24 actually has 27 athletes listed, because of ties!
Over half of them--14, to be exact--date from the 20th century!
And 5 of those are from the 1980's!
The Americans fare worse!
Of the 24 marks on the list (no extras from ties), 15 are from 1999 or earlier!
Worse yet, only ONE dates from after 2009, Brad Walker's 19-2.75 from 2012!
The Collegiate Men are only slightly better than the Americans.
Of their 24, there's 14 dating from the last century!
And 6 of those are from the Big Hair decade!!
(The 80's, for those culturally deprived! LOL)
There are 25 HS guys on my list, due to ties.
While they rate the best, there's still 5 from the last century, with Joe Dial's 17-4.50 the oldest, dating from 1981!
Last, but definitely NOT least, here's the Women's INdoor stats!
The World Record belongs to Jenn Suhr, her 16-5.50 dating from 2013.
Of course, the American Record is the same!
The Collegiate Record is Kaitlin Petrillose's 15-1 from 2014.
And the HSR is Desiree Freier's 14-6, also from 2014.
(Remember, this happened during an OUTdoor meet, in which the PV was moved INdoors because of lousy weather!)
On the HS DDD list for INdoors, it takes a vault of 13-3 to make it there.
There are now SIX girls---including the most recent jumps by the Weeks twins!---who have cleared at least 14-0 INdoors!
There are 26 Women on the Collegiate DDD, due to ties.
It takes a jump of 14-3.50 to make that list.
And of those, just one has cleared at least 15-0.
But 9--including Payne's PR--have done 14-9 or higher!
It takes 14-7.25 to make the US Top 24 list---which is actually 25 strong, as there are ties!
Only Suhr has gone 16-0 or better, but 12 have now done 15-0 or more.
(But just 5 of those have done 15-3 or higher!)
You need 15-3.50 to make the World Top 24!
Just Suhr and Isinbayeva have gone over 16-0 INdoors.
And 7 have done 15-9 or higher.
The World DDD is TOTALLY in this century!!
The oldest mark is from 2002.
Fifteen Women's marks are from THIS decade, meaning from 2010 to now!
The United States is ALSO completely in the 21st century!!
They have 3 marks dating from 2002, the oldest.
And they match the World Women, as there are also 15 dating from 2010 forward!
Of the 26 Women on the Collegiate list, the oldest is ALSO from 2002!
And a whopping 19 are from 2010 or later!
Twelve of these are from 2013, 2014, or THIS year (Payne)!
Keeping with the other 3 groups, the HS Girls Top 24 are all from the 21st century.
But only 13 date from this decade!
However, of those 13, a full 11 of them are from 2013, 2014, or 2015 (the Weeks twins!!).
Oh, BTW, the oldest here is ALSO from 2002, she being the pioneering Samantha Shepard!
In conclusion, we see that the PV---for Men and Women, both OUTdoors and INdoors--is one of, if not THE, most dynamic events in Track and Field!
Yes, there are other DDD lists that are totally from the 21st century (the Men's Marathon, for example!), but the PV surely rates VERY high on the short list of fastest-evolving events!
What took place in those 2 meets in Texas and Arkansas this weekend surely show that it's only getting better....FAST!
It's just the first week of January!
Most of the HS'ers and the Collegians won't REALLY start their INdoor season until mid-January!
And the World and US vaulters won't rev it up until toward the END of this month!!
Stay tuned for a MASS revision of ALL of my PV records and lists in the coming months!
Sorting through the muck
T&F is supposed to be a simple sport.
Whoever runs faster, jumps higher, or throws farther wins.
Then those damn orgs enter the picture---you know, IAAF, USATF, NCAA, NHSF (?? National High School Federation?).
Then the question becomes, When is a record a RECORD?
This is going to be a cornucopia of material for your enlightenment and entertainment.
But I'll begin with a couple of examples possibly illustrating what I said above.
Rita Jeptoo will soon find out when her ban begins, and which races will be expunged from her record.
It SEEMS fairly certain that her 2:18:57 is out of here.
If that's the case, my T&F Record Book will need to be revised.
In fact, I'm sure it will need revision, whatever her punishment is.
BUT I won't revise my Book until WADA (or whomever) gives us the particulars of her ban.
So until then, her PR remains on the books!
It seems Shawn Barber Pole Vaulted a great 19-3 today in a PV-only meet in Texas.
IF everything is legal, that would be a Collegiate Record (INdoors of course!), the Junior Class record, the Canadian National record, and the Age 20 record!
BUT was everything "legal"?
Supposedly, the meet was certified by USATF.
But PoleVaultPower questions whether it can be a CR, because the meet apparently doesn't meet NCAA specifications!
Also, I'm not sure if Barber has turned Pro, or if he's still a student at Akron!
And if he IS a student there, is he redshirting?
Until all those questions are answered, I can't revise my Record Book to show all those "Records" he apparently broke!!
Well, I have a few other things to report.
Did I mention the following in another post? (Too lazy to research it! LOL)
Speaking of orgs messing things up, I still don't know if that Falmouth Mile from August 10, 2012 was "legal"
T&FN lists Brenda Martinez's 4:26.78 and Gabe Grunewald's 4:27.94 as legit, even though there supposedly were no cones on the curves, thus replicating what happened at 2013's Re-RUN meet, where all the marks were negated because of no cones.
But I'm accepting T&FN's "ruling" on this, so their times are good!
BTW, Martinez's mark gives her 16th A-T US, while Gabe's mark leaves her 24th A-T US!
A couple of notable HS marks to report.
Virij Devkar ran 3000 in 8:29.68.
This makes him 19th A-T HS.
And Marcellus Fletcher TJ'ed 50-1.50, but that falls about 2 inches shy of my DDD list.
It is the best HS mark so far, however.
In China's Xiamen Marathon, Mare Dibaba matched her PR of 2:19:52, first run in 2012.
But until the Rita Jeptoo matter is finalized, we won't know whether Dibaba's mark improves her placement on my DDD!
The Russian Winter Meet (February 1) is looking like another great one.
Set to compete in the Men's 1500 are Silas Kiplagat, Aman Wote, and Bethwell Birgen.
Maria Kuchina will HJ.
Nijel Amos will run, but not sure if it's in the 800 or 1000.
Mike Rodgers will do the 60, and Pascal Martinot-Lagarde will run the 60H.
Every so often, I do an inventory of all the marks in my T&F Record Book.
This means I count all the marks that have a year attached to it.
This is done so I can find out how fast T&F marks are progressing, from decade to decade.
I count all my categories (Miscellaneous, Age, Meet, National records, and all my DDD lists!).
I divide the count as follows:
2000-present (I decided to NOT do the decade of 2000-2009 separately!)
1990-1999
1980-1989
to 1979 (Includes all marks up to and including 1979!)
Of course, I do separate counts for INdoors and OUTdoors, as well as for Men and Women.
The last time I'd done a count was January 1, 2012.
Thus, my latest count (done December 31st) is 3 years later!
Note that since then, I've expanded my Record Book quite a bit, all in the past year!
I've added several events to my DDD lists, and done away with the strict standards I was using for my Meet and National records, thus greatly increasing their numbers!
Following are the new numbers.
OUTdoors is first, then INdoors, then the TOTALS (for IN and OUT combined).
Miscellaneous M W DDD-HS M W
2000-present 262 287 273 342
1990-1999 110 45 76 55
1980-1989 63 87 97 69
to 1979 29 15 91 51
Age M W DDD-Coll. M W
2000-present 339 307 296 380
1990-1999 145 129 98 105
1980-1989 65 114 108 94
to 1979 9 12 57 5
Meet M W DDD-World M W
2000-present 501 639 346 336
1990-1999 172 92 185 140
1980-1989 90 97 90 144
to 1979 21 8 12 19
National M W DDD-US M W
2000-present 252 238 277 380
1990-1999 123 93 132 114
1980-1989 47 66 136 82
to 1979 11 8 43 11
TOTALS-OUTdoors M W
2000-present 2546 2909
1990-1999 1041 773
1980-1989 696 753
to 1979 273 129
Miscellaneous M W DDD-HS M W
2000-present 160 180 310 338
1990-1999 37 22 62 50
1980-1989 16 12 56 53
to 1979 2 10 34 27
Age M W DDD-Coll M W
2000-present 278 272 341 393
1990-1999 79 68 71 58
1980-1989 28 47 55 37
to 1979 3 10 16 1
Meet M W DDD-World M W
2000-present 120 129 347 335
1990-1999 24 24 122 94
1980-1989 22 17 48 81
to 1979 2 1 7 10
National M W DDD-US M W
2000-present 154 123 280 345
1990-1999 87 46 98 72
1980-1989 40 22 72 57
to 1979 5 3 22 6
TOTALS-INdoors M W
2000-present 1990 2115
1990-1999 580 434
1980-1989 337 326
to 1979 92 68
TOTALS (IN and OUT Combined) M W ALL
2000-present 4536 5024 9560
1990-1999 1621 1207 2828
1980-1989 1033 1079 2112
to 1979 365 197 562
If numbers for Men and Women don't match within a certain category, it means I have more events listed for the Men, or vice versa.
The Miscellaneous OUTdoors category includes Place Records, whereas the INdoors does not!
On the OUTdoors numbers, note how many more Meet Records were set by Women this century than by Men!
In the OUTdoors DDD lists, note that Women have greatly outperformed Men in the HS, Collegiate, and US lists, but are fairly even on the World DDD in the 2000's.
Note the big numbers for the "to 1979" department in the HS DDD's for both Men and Women!
This is partly because some events aren't held as often in this century as they were in the 70's and 80's.
Also because of the change to the 1600 and 3200, which I don't include!
Thus, many of the Mile and Two Mile marks come from that older era.
And of course, all those Eastern European Throws marks OUTdoors dominate the lists from the 70's and 80's!
On the INdoors side, look at how even ALL the marks are for Meet Record category between Men and Women!
Fairly even in the Miscellaneous category too.
Ditto with the Age marks!
The INdoors DDD numbers are MUCH more in tandem between the sexes than they were for OUTdoors!
But the Women still are pretty dominant in this century in the Collegiate and US lists
Only ONE Women's Collegiate mark dates from 1979 or earlier!
This of course is because Women's Collegiate action only really started in the very late 70's, and then it was the AIAW, not the NCAA, though the AIAW marks are included on my lists, if they qualify!
When you get to final Totals, Women outdo the Men this century both IN and OUTdoors!
You can't say the 2000's have been dry!
Not when this century totals 9560, and the 20th century totals 5502.
Sure, the numbers for the 2000's could, and should, be much higher, but the last 15 years have seen TONS of marks make my Book!!
How much will 2015 add to that 9560 total?
Next post will be my predictions of which INdoor records might fall in 2015 in the World, US, Collegiate, and HS categories.
Whoever runs faster, jumps higher, or throws farther wins.
Then those damn orgs enter the picture---you know, IAAF, USATF, NCAA, NHSF (?? National High School Federation?).
Then the question becomes, When is a record a RECORD?
This is going to be a cornucopia of material for your enlightenment and entertainment.
But I'll begin with a couple of examples possibly illustrating what I said above.
Rita Jeptoo will soon find out when her ban begins, and which races will be expunged from her record.
It SEEMS fairly certain that her 2:18:57 is out of here.
If that's the case, my T&F Record Book will need to be revised.
In fact, I'm sure it will need revision, whatever her punishment is.
BUT I won't revise my Book until WADA (or whomever) gives us the particulars of her ban.
So until then, her PR remains on the books!
It seems Shawn Barber Pole Vaulted a great 19-3 today in a PV-only meet in Texas.
IF everything is legal, that would be a Collegiate Record (INdoors of course!), the Junior Class record, the Canadian National record, and the Age 20 record!
BUT was everything "legal"?
Supposedly, the meet was certified by USATF.
But PoleVaultPower questions whether it can be a CR, because the meet apparently doesn't meet NCAA specifications!
Also, I'm not sure if Barber has turned Pro, or if he's still a student at Akron!
And if he IS a student there, is he redshirting?
Until all those questions are answered, I can't revise my Record Book to show all those "Records" he apparently broke!!
Well, I have a few other things to report.
Did I mention the following in another post? (Too lazy to research it! LOL)
Speaking of orgs messing things up, I still don't know if that Falmouth Mile from August 10, 2012 was "legal"
T&FN lists Brenda Martinez's 4:26.78 and Gabe Grunewald's 4:27.94 as legit, even though there supposedly were no cones on the curves, thus replicating what happened at 2013's Re-RUN meet, where all the marks were negated because of no cones.
But I'm accepting T&FN's "ruling" on this, so their times are good!
BTW, Martinez's mark gives her 16th A-T US, while Gabe's mark leaves her 24th A-T US!
A couple of notable HS marks to report.
Virij Devkar ran 3000 in 8:29.68.
This makes him 19th A-T HS.
And Marcellus Fletcher TJ'ed 50-1.50, but that falls about 2 inches shy of my DDD list.
It is the best HS mark so far, however.
In China's Xiamen Marathon, Mare Dibaba matched her PR of 2:19:52, first run in 2012.
But until the Rita Jeptoo matter is finalized, we won't know whether Dibaba's mark improves her placement on my DDD!
The Russian Winter Meet (February 1) is looking like another great one.
Set to compete in the Men's 1500 are Silas Kiplagat, Aman Wote, and Bethwell Birgen.
Maria Kuchina will HJ.
Nijel Amos will run, but not sure if it's in the 800 or 1000.
Mike Rodgers will do the 60, and Pascal Martinot-Lagarde will run the 60H.
Every so often, I do an inventory of all the marks in my T&F Record Book.
This means I count all the marks that have a year attached to it.
This is done so I can find out how fast T&F marks are progressing, from decade to decade.
I count all my categories (Miscellaneous, Age, Meet, National records, and all my DDD lists!).
I divide the count as follows:
2000-present (I decided to NOT do the decade of 2000-2009 separately!)
1990-1999
1980-1989
to 1979 (Includes all marks up to and including 1979!)
Of course, I do separate counts for INdoors and OUTdoors, as well as for Men and Women.
The last time I'd done a count was January 1, 2012.
Thus, my latest count (done December 31st) is 3 years later!
Note that since then, I've expanded my Record Book quite a bit, all in the past year!
I've added several events to my DDD lists, and done away with the strict standards I was using for my Meet and National records, thus greatly increasing their numbers!
Following are the new numbers.
OUTdoors is first, then INdoors, then the TOTALS (for IN and OUT combined).
Miscellaneous M W DDD-HS M W
2000-present 262 287 273 342
1990-1999 110 45 76 55
1980-1989 63 87 97 69
to 1979 29 15 91 51
Age M W DDD-Coll. M W
2000-present 339 307 296 380
1990-1999 145 129 98 105
1980-1989 65 114 108 94
to 1979 9 12 57 5
Meet M W DDD-World M W
2000-present 501 639 346 336
1990-1999 172 92 185 140
1980-1989 90 97 90 144
to 1979 21 8 12 19
National M W DDD-US M W
2000-present 252 238 277 380
1990-1999 123 93 132 114
1980-1989 47 66 136 82
to 1979 11 8 43 11
TOTALS-OUTdoors M W
2000-present 2546 2909
1990-1999 1041 773
1980-1989 696 753
to 1979 273 129
Miscellaneous M W DDD-HS M W
2000-present 160 180 310 338
1990-1999 37 22 62 50
1980-1989 16 12 56 53
to 1979 2 10 34 27
Age M W DDD-Coll M W
2000-present 278 272 341 393
1990-1999 79 68 71 58
1980-1989 28 47 55 37
to 1979 3 10 16 1
Meet M W DDD-World M W
2000-present 120 129 347 335
1990-1999 24 24 122 94
1980-1989 22 17 48 81
to 1979 2 1 7 10
National M W DDD-US M W
2000-present 154 123 280 345
1990-1999 87 46 98 72
1980-1989 40 22 72 57
to 1979 5 3 22 6
TOTALS-INdoors M W
2000-present 1990 2115
1990-1999 580 434
1980-1989 337 326
to 1979 92 68
TOTALS (IN and OUT Combined) M W ALL
2000-present 4536 5024 9560
1990-1999 1621 1207 2828
1980-1989 1033 1079 2112
to 1979 365 197 562
If numbers for Men and Women don't match within a certain category, it means I have more events listed for the Men, or vice versa.
The Miscellaneous OUTdoors category includes Place Records, whereas the INdoors does not!
On the OUTdoors numbers, note how many more Meet Records were set by Women this century than by Men!
In the OUTdoors DDD lists, note that Women have greatly outperformed Men in the HS, Collegiate, and US lists, but are fairly even on the World DDD in the 2000's.
Note the big numbers for the "to 1979" department in the HS DDD's for both Men and Women!
This is partly because some events aren't held as often in this century as they were in the 70's and 80's.
Also because of the change to the 1600 and 3200, which I don't include!
Thus, many of the Mile and Two Mile marks come from that older era.
And of course, all those Eastern European Throws marks OUTdoors dominate the lists from the 70's and 80's!
On the INdoors side, look at how even ALL the marks are for Meet Record category between Men and Women!
Fairly even in the Miscellaneous category too.
Ditto with the Age marks!
The INdoors DDD numbers are MUCH more in tandem between the sexes than they were for OUTdoors!
But the Women still are pretty dominant in this century in the Collegiate and US lists
Only ONE Women's Collegiate mark dates from 1979 or earlier!
This of course is because Women's Collegiate action only really started in the very late 70's, and then it was the AIAW, not the NCAA, though the AIAW marks are included on my lists, if they qualify!
When you get to final Totals, Women outdo the Men this century both IN and OUTdoors!
You can't say the 2000's have been dry!
Not when this century totals 9560, and the 20th century totals 5502.
Sure, the numbers for the 2000's could, and should, be much higher, but the last 15 years have seen TONS of marks make my Book!!
How much will 2015 add to that 9560 total?
Next post will be my predictions of which INdoor records might fall in 2015 in the World, US, Collegiate, and HS categories.
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