Thursday, June 16, 2016

The AGE of Records--Women

All of the necessary intro stuff is in the Men's post.
I won't repeat it all here.
Please check the previous post for all that boring stuff!
But as a reminder--NO Collegiate records, as their season has ended, with no chance for further record-breaking this year!
Also, these are limited to OUTdoor records ONLY!!

World--Women
1983  (33)  800--1:53.28  Caster Semenya is NOT under consideration here!!  But I've always believed that a woman who can run under 50 seconds for 400 can attack this record with some confidence!
1984  (32)  4X800 Relay--7:50.17  This is an average of 1:57.54 per 800!  I DOUBT it will happen, but the US now has four active women whose PR's add up to 7:50.76!!  But...it will NOT happen!!
1985  (31)  400--47.60  They say it's impossible...in a drug free world!  BUT, Marita Koch had 100 & 200 PR's of 10.83 & 21.71.  There are women around with similar speed.  And Allyson Felix had a relay leg of 47.72 last year!
1987  (29)  HJ--6-10.25  Few have reached even 6-7 recently.  Give Vashti Cunningham another 3 or 4 years!!
SP--74-3  Give me a break!!!
1988  (28)  100 & 200--10.49 & 21.34  T&FN says that 10.49 was VERY windy!  But it's still the WR!  Forget it!  BUT I can see the 200 being approached by people currently active!
100H--12.21  Kendra Harrison ran 12.24 recently!  The Stockholm meet promoters are saying she could break it later today!!  We shall see!!
LJ--24-8.50  NO!
DT--252-0  There was this Priest, Rabbi, and a Cow that walked into a bar.....!!
Heptathlon--7291  There was this Priest, Rabbi.......!!
4X400 Relay--3:15.18  With the new group of US women--Courtney Okolo & Quenera Hayes--and a couple of the oldies at their best--Allyson Felix & Fran McCorory--this record COULD fall....in Rio??
1993  (23)  3000--8:06.11  Genzebe Dibaba needs to run TWO 4:03 1500's back-to-back.  By herself?  Not!  And she's 10 seconds away...if you use her INdoor PR!!  So NO!!
10000--29:31.78  On this one, I say YES!!  One of the D-girls (Genzebe, Tirunesh, or Meseret), or even Almaz Ayana!  If they can run 5K in 14:10, then they can break this record!!
1995  (21)  TJ--50-10.25  Caterine Ibarguen has been over 50 feet, but not this year!  I know I'll burn in Hell for thinking this, but Keturah Orji maybe 5 years from now??
1996  (20)  1000--2:28.98  It would need a 1:58.00, then another 200 in 30.97!  Doable, but....!!
Mile--4:12.56  This SHOULD have fallen already!  GD's 3:50 is worth 4:06 or 4:07!!  A solid kick off a 3:57 could do it!!

Newer Records
2000  (16)  4X200 Relay--1:27.46  That's about 21.86 per!!  Let's see 2 or 3 women from the same country running sub-22's first...!!
2003  (13)  Marathon--2:15:25 Another "impossible" record?  I say NO!!  You've got 2 or 3 women who have run low 65's for half the distance.  Given a 2:30 to 3:00 slowdown per half, that brings them within striking distance!  Flat fast course, with perfect conditions and perfect pacing...??
400H--52.34  This will happen--and sooner than you think!  Ashley Spencer might have the best chance.  But for future possibilities, look to Sydney McLaughlin!!
2005  (11)  Decathlon--8366  With talk of making this a standard event, we might see more women doing it. Quantity often breeds quality!
2007  (9)  2 Mile--8:58.58.  Allow about 32-33 seconds for the last 218 meters, so if they pass 3000 in about 8:25 or 8:26...!!  Several women have run faster than that recently!!
2008  (8)  5000--14:11.15  Ayana ALMOST got this recently!!  It WILL fall!! 
3000SC--8:58.81  Those Stockholm promoters are saying THIS record might go today also!!  Keep your eyes peeled!!
JT--237-2  While not as outrageous as those Throws records from the '80's, this one seems out of range of the current crowd!
2009  (7)  PV--16-7.25 IF Isi is allowed in Rio, and IF everyone's healthy, then this record is in mortal danger!!  But even OUTside of Rio....!!
SMR--3:34.56  If they invite the right teams to Penn, or hold this at the World Relays next year...!!  Figure a 50 second 400, two 22's, then a 2:00 in the 800!!  Quite doable!!
2012  (4)  4X100 Relay--40.82  No one thought this possible in 2012!  No one thinks it's possible in 2016 either.  Is the joke on us??
2014  (2)  4X1500 Relay--16:33.58  This is so easy, it's laughable!!  There's at least FIVE teams each---all with different women!!--from Kenya and the US that could smash this baby to smithereens!!
2015  (1)  1500--3:50.07  Genzebe SAYS she can run 3:47!  Believe her!!
HT--266-0  Haven't checked Twitter recently for my foreign results sources....!!  When does Anita compete again??
DMR--10:36.50  Another taking-candy-from babies mark!!  But we'll have to wait for next year!

US--Women
1985  (31)  Mile--4:16.71  Both Shannon Rowbury and Jenny Simpson--based on current 1500 PR's--can run at least 4:14!!  Pass 1500 in 4:00, and you've got it!!
3000--8:25.83  This other Mary Slaney mark also invites Rowbury & Simpson to take their best shots!  I say they're both capable of doing about 8:22 or faster!!  And more are on the way!!
1988  (28)  100 & 200--10.49 & 21.34  No Americans currently in range!  Not even Felix for the 200!  Give the youngsters a few years of development!!
Heptathlon--7291  There was this....!!
4X400 Relay--3:15.51  See my World comment!!
1994 (22)  LJ--24-7  Not even Brittney Reese at her shocking best!!
1999  (17)  800--1:56.40  This record CAN go, but our current crop seems to be stuck in the 1:57's...or slower!!
1000--2:31.80  This would entail an 800 in 2:00, then another 200 in 31.79!!  But the opportunities are rare!!
2 Mile--9:11.97  As a HUGE fan of this distance, I can't understand why this hasn't gone down....years ago!!  Pass 3000 in 8:39, and you've got it!!  8:39, ladies!!!

Newer Records
2000  (16)  4X200 Relay--1:27.46  See World comments!
2006  (10)  400--48.70  Much easier than the World Record!!  Again, Felix had a relay split of 47.72!!  But watch for Courtney Okolo!!
Marathon--2:19:36  Our best--Shalane Flanagan--has already taken shots at this!!  But Molly Huddle is going to run 26.2 this fall!!  Except she chose the WRONG race!!  Next year, go to Berlin or London, Molly!!
Decathlon--7064  With the Dec for Women getting talked about, this record should fall---HARD!!!!
2008  (8)  10000--30:22.22  Huddle isn't THAT fast...I don't think!  But I see this mark going down in the next 5 years, considering the mass influx of fast women recently!!
PV--16-1.75  Remember, this is OUTdoors ONLY!!  So grab your erasers, folks!  (That is, if the Big Three are healthy!!)
2010  (6)  HJ--6-8.75  Will Vashti do it?  YES!  Will Chaunte Lowe go HIGH again??  (LOL)  Maybe.
JT--218-8  Kara Winger's still winging it!  But look to the future-Maggie Malone & Madison Wiltrout!
2011  (5)  400H--52.47  Shamier Little's still over a second away.  How long before Sydney McLaughlin's within range??
2012  (4)  4X100 Relay--40.82  See my World remarks!
2013  (3)  SP--66-5  If Michelle Carter doesn't get there first, Tia Brooks and Raven Saunders aren't that far behind!!  (Three feet for the Raven isn't THAT much!!)
2014  (2)  5000--14:42.64  Molly could get her own record, but her focus is on longer stuff now.  If Simpson or Rowbury took a serious shot, bye bye baby!!  Watch for a fast 1500 woman moving up!
DT--226-11  No one's close this year.  Wait a few years.  It's not impossible!
4X1500 Relay--16:55.33  Again, as with the World's best, there's at least 4 or 5 different groups of women who could POUND this record into mincemeat!!  There's 4 women currently active whose PR's add up to a FULL MINUTE faster!!!
2015  (1)  1500--3:56.29  No reason to believe this won't go down...again!!
4X800 Relay--8:00.62  A good record, but again, there's 4 women NOW who could break it by 8 seconds!!
DMR--10:36.50  Go back and read my post on Relay Record possibilities!!  This one's EASY!!
2016  (0)  3000SC--9:10.76  Coburn again?  Or will Stephanie Garcia or Courtney Frerichs beat her to it?  Not so weird a scenario!!  (And where's Colleen Quigley this year??  Injured??)
100H--12.24  See my comments above!
TJ--47-8  Keturah, Keturah!!!  I see 48...I see 49...I see....!!!
HT--250-4  You're hearing it here first!!  I'm IGNORING the ruling by USADA about Gwen Berry's "drug ban", and the loss of her AR.  On this blog, and in my T&F Record Book, Berry REMAINS the American Record holder...at 250-4!!  (Anyway, she'll break it again...maybe at the Trials...when her "ban" is up!!)

HS--Women
1975  (41)  3000--9:08.6  Yes, despite Mary Cain's 8:58 from 2014 (run as a PRO!!), and despite whatever Weini Kelati might run, the record still is Lynn Bjorklund's!!  But take ANY of the 4 women who have run 4:14 or faster in the 1500 this year, put them in a RACE at 3K, and it's bye bye to this antique!!
1979  (37)  10000--32:52.5    If someone as "slow" as Cayla Hatton can run 33:17, then surely faster women can get this record!  What if Mary Cain had taken a shot at this back in 2013...right after her 15:45 in the 5K?  The main problem is...lack of opportunities!!  NBN, why don't you make it happen???
1982  (34)  Mile--4:35.24  (Please see my extended commentary on this mark at the end of this post!!)
1984  (32)  Marathon--2:34:24  I shouldn't even have this record in my Book, as it's so rarely run by HS'ers!  But not having it would be a disservice to the great effort of Cathy Schiro (O'Brien) 32 years ago!!  And even to the misbegotten trials of Alana Hadley in recent years!  Someday...especially with so many people running the distance....!!
400H--55.20  I saw this great run by Leslie Maxie in person!!  I wish I could see Sydney McLaughlin DESTROY this record in a few weeks!! 

Newer Records
2001  (15)  300H--39.98  This is a damn fine record!!  Even for McLaughlin, it would be tough!  Whoever breaks this will be a STAR!!
2002  (14)  400--50.69  Does McLaughlin take this down...or will she turn Pro first??  She has one more year of HS!!
2003  (13)  200--22.11  Some folks say this is NOT the real HSR...as it was run at Mexico City's altitude!!  That's ridiculous!  She ran it!  Doesn't matter where!!  I don't keep "low altitude" records!!  So either someone runs 22.10---somewhere!!---or they don't get the record!!
If Kaylin Whitney and Candace Hill had remained amateurs....!!
2004  (12)  TJ--44-11.75  Keturah Orji had the best chance of getting it, but kept on coming up short!!  However, watch for Titiana Marsh in the next year or two!  And maybe Jasmine Moore!!
4X100 Relay--44.50  Carson ran 45.06 this year.  one of the fastest this century!  But it's a tough one!
4X400 Relay--3:35.49  Another tough record--this calls for an average 400 leg of 53.87!  SOUNDS easy, but we're talking 4 girls from the same school!!
2006  (10)  4XMile Relay--19:56.75.  Remember, this is NOT 4X1600!!  There's over 9 meters extra per leg, with different exchange zones!!  You CAN'T do a conversion, and say it's a record!!  PERIOD!!  That said, take a team with one of those girls capable of breaking the MILE HSR by several seconds, then add 3 more girls who can run about 5:08 per, and.....!!!
2008  (8)  4X800 Relay--8:43.12  Another good, yet "easy" mark!  It's four 2:10.78's!!  Have one girl---Sammy Watson??--good for a 2:03, then add 3 more at 2:13 and change, and VOILA!!
2010 (6)  HT--214-4  A good mark, but the Hammer is a "new" event, with a lot of bounce left in it!!  So to speak!
2011  (5)  DMR-11:22.43  Again (!!), if you take a 4:32 Mile girl  (See above!), that leaves you with needing, say, a 1200 in 3:40, a 400 in 60, and an 800 in 2:10.  Rearrange those splits any way you please!!
2012  (4)  3000SC--10:00.72  I haven't reported it yet, but there's a Middle School girl who just ran a 6:49 for the 2000SC!!  If she sticks with it, and gets (or takes!!) the opportunity to try a couple each year, by the time she's a Soph or Junior in HS, the record could be her's!!
DT--198-9  With the rise of Throwers at the HS level lately, this record is breakable!
Heptathlon--5578  It's almost impossible to tell---until the NBN--who's going to try this event, and who might take Kendell Williams's HSR from her!!
2013  (3)  800--1:59.51  Christine Aragon, who just ran 4:09.27 for 1500, is going to run this distance at Brooks PR!!  And she'll be going against Sammy Watson!!  But Cain's record is TOUGH!!
1500--4:04.62  As is her record here!!
5000--15:45.46  But THIS Cain record ain't so tough!!  Not counting the ineligible-for-records Weini Kelati, there still remains a couple or three girls who DO have the necessary credentials!!
2014  (2)  2 Mile-9:53.54  If that abomination called the 3200 didn't exist, we would have seen this record go down already!!  But put ANY of those 4 aforementioned 1500 studs in a 2 Mile, and it's GONE!!
100H--12.92  The INdoor 60H was THE event of the year, and it's continuing with the 100H OUTdoors!!  Tonea Marshall has run 13.04.  And FRESHMAN Tia Jones has topped THAT--at 13.03!!  If it survives 2016, then next year, it goes down to the 12.70's!!
SP--56-8.25  Junior Alyssa Wilson has gotten out to 55-3.50....so far!!  If she doesn't get it this year, then next year is almost guaranteed!!
4X200 Relay--1:33.43  Another tough Relay record, but doable---if the top sprinters don't turn Pro first!!
2015  (1)  100--10.98  Hill has another year of HS left!!  Too bad it's as a Professional!!
HJ--6-5  Cunningham's a Pro too!  No one else within TEN miles!!
LJ--22-5  Watch for the young ones...like Marsh and Tara Davis!  NEXT year!!
PV--14-7.50  Rachel Baxter has gone 14-3, but I have no idea what her summer plans are!  IF she's going to the WJC's, she has a shot!!
JT--185-8  The HSR holder is coming back fast from surgery!  And she has another year left!!
SMR--3:47.65  Several fast ones graduating, but several more sticking around!!  This mark's vulnerable!!
It takes a 400 of about 56, an 800 of maybe 2:05, plus a couple of 23's...with flying starts!!
2016  (0)  4X1600 Relay--19:52.88  The Great Oak Milers Club (40 strong membership!!) got this mark!!  But unless they run this at NBN, it will survive.  Again, I'd rather see them attempt the 4XMILE!!

1982  (34)  Mile--4:35.24  As promised above, I set this record aside for a more extensive commentary!
Why?
Because THIS record is the MAIN reason I decided to do this whole series!!!
At first, my plan was to do it ENTIRELY about this mark...but then I added the whole bit you've just (hopefully) read!!
Here's the deal!
In recent years...since the rise of Mary Cain, and then Alexa Efraimson...the HS Women's middle distances have EXPLODED with multiple talents, ALL of whom were, and are, more than capable of WHOMPING this baby into indecipherable PULP!!
The top 4 look like this---
Christina Aragon--4:09.27 in the 1500.  Add 109 meters in 17 seconds, and you have a 4:26.27 Mile--or NINE SECONDS faster than Polly Plumer ran 34 years ago!!
Katie Rainsberger--4:12.62.  Add an extra 17.50 seconds, and you have a Mile of 4:30.12!!
Ella Donaghu--4:14.11.  Add maybe 18.00 seconds for her, and you have a Mile in 4:32.11.
Kate Murphy--4:14.26.  Add the same 18 seconds, and you have her running the Mile in 4:32.26.
And I was being a bit conservative in my 109 meter additions, even though all 4 have FANTASTIC kicks!!
Aragon WON the race--against Donaghu & Rainsberger-- but ALSO against some Collegians and Professionals!!
She ran FASTER than the winner of the NCAA final!!!

The window of opportunity to take this record DOWN is staring us in the face, and DARING us to say NO, we don't want you to break this record!
The Mile isn't important anymore!!
Oh really???
Then why does the Millrose Games run the World Famous Wanamaker MILE??
Why does the Prefontaine Classic DL run the venerable Bowerman MILE every year!!
Why does the Bislett Games continue to have their MILE race?
Why do women such as Genzebe Dibaba and Faith Kipyegon continue to chase the WR in the MILE??
Why will Roger Bannister and Jim Ryun and Alan Webb continue to be household names among T&F aficionados??
Why should WOMEN be deprived of the same fame and name recognition for such an iconic event??

This year, 3 of those 4 listed above (Rainsberger, Murphy, and Donaghu), will be racing the 1500 at the Adidas Boost meet in Boston--a substitute for the old NY Adidas meet...where they held the Dream MILES!!!
They're having the BOYS run the Mile!!
Why not the Girls??

I've seen it said that it's because the 4:09.50 necessary to Qualify for the Trials is EASIER than using the Mile Q time of 4:28.43.
Really?
Look above at my estimates for their Mile times!
Why is a time 18.93 seconds slower---the time needed to race the extra 109 meters---any more difficult than the 4:09.50??
Basically, the 4:09.50 works out to about 66.5 per lap!
The Mile splits are about 67.10.
And I'm talking 440 YARD splits for BOTH!!!

Don't let this GREAT opportunity pass you by, Young Ladies!!
DEMAND EQUALITY!!
Polly Plumer's record MUST GO!!!!

See you in a few days---after a VERY busy few days of T&F action---from around the World!!!

5 comments:

  1. These are fun posts. I hate to sound pessimistic but I'm not as confident as you are that Kenturah Orji is going to reach super-elite levels (approaching 50') in this event. I can easily see 48' (she's already almost there), and perhaps 49' eventually (which would be great!), but that's about it.

    Why? Because she's only 5-5 tall. Physical characteristics matter. When you're trying to take "three giant steps" long legs are a big help, and Kenturah, unfortunately, doesn't have them.

    By contrast, Caterine Ibarguen, the dominant triple jumper the last few years, is 5-11.5 tall. That's 6.5" taller than Kenturah, which is a lot.

    As for competition between these two, Kenturah is at the beginning of her elite career (age 20), while Caterine is nearing the end of hers (now 32). So I can see Kenturah getting some wins as she is "on the way up" while Caterine is "on the way down". Nice, but not really significant. And this year I still expect Caterine to win in Rio. For Kenturah, it will be a great achievement if she can make the final.

    I'm delighted by Orji's emergence as the best American ever in the women's TJ, but I'm afraid her shortness of stature will end up being a limitation that she cannot overcome. I will end by saying I would love nothing more than to be proved wrong about this!


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  2. With Freier, and now Orji, you seem to [ut quite a bit of emphasis on height.
    You're probably right!
    I don't pay attention to height that much....although in the sprints, I think being taller helps...including in the 400.
    One thing I like about Orji....and I see the same quality in Raven Saunders....is that she (they!) have been improving by leaps and bounds (pun intended...at least for Keturah!!)...instead of in smaller increments.
    Keturah went from the 44's to the 46' in one meet!
    Saunders often improves by a FOOT or more, not inches!!
    But yes, I can see your point about the TJ.
    Long legs are better!
    We'll see!
    About Ibarguen's age, remember that Yamile Aldama's Age 39 record is over 48 feet!!
    Mbango (Can't remember first name offhand!) did 50-6 at Age 32, the same age as Ibarguen!!

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  3. How about 4x1 mile from 1985,15:49.08? Doable but why anyone/country should bother? Sub 15:40 is possible if some organizer wants to put up $40k, 20k, 10k prize.
    GHM

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    1. Why?
      For the same reason some teams went after the 4X800 and DMR World Records in the past year or two.
      Because the record is there!
      But for the 4XMile, it's also because the Mile is still important in some countries!
      Look at all the noise made in 2014 for the 60th Anniversary of Bannister's run!
      As to where, why not the World Relays, Penn, Drake, or even Bislett Games, or any meet in the UK?
      The record maybe isn't "important", but it would be fun---like the two Relays mentioned above!
      BTW, thanks for reading my blog!!

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